We let Bruno down

[waveney wolf]

Whoever decided that the way to go about the January transfer window was to make us worse and weaken us is a genius.

February could well see us mid table and nothing realistic to play for.

Someone who only cares about ££££
They ll swap trincao for Traore ,and are no longer paying Traore s wages....got 3 youngsters in for peanuts ( 1 who's big in Japan ) ,who MAY be worth a big profit in years to come... pathetic

 

[SA Wolf]

If they’d lost confidence in Jeff he’d be long gone. They aren’t a company scared of making big decisions. As an investment vehicle I imagine they’re ecstatic at the job he’s doing

Possibly, however removing Jeff would signal a failing on their part as well as he's their man. More likely they have him on a short leash.

 

[SA Wolf]

Funny how in your imagination the club generates zero revenue apart from player sales

Don't think I said that.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

You do realise sport is about hopes & dreams right? What is the forum meant to be, a single thread titled ‘don’t get over excited’?

That’ll keep people coming back. Aim for mediocrity, the safe middle, nothing to get worked up about. A life of beige.

Of course it’s about hope, I’m not saying different. I’m saying crying because of a result is reactionary and it wouldn’t have happened had we won. Do we have to have an enquiry about ambition after every loss??

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Possibly, however removing Jeff would signal a failing on their part as well as he's their man. More likely they have him on a short leash.

Seeing as he’s had a promotion recently inside of Fosun would suggest otherwise

 

[Fenrir_]

I believe that Fosun has lost confidence in Shi. After the splurge/waste/investment (you choose) of £35m on Silva and a similar amount on Semedo, the purse strings have been well and truly tightened. We now have to sell to buy and if Barca renege on the Traore 'agreement', then we really only have Neves who could command a reasonable fee.
Big summer coming up.

Neto would still command a sizeable fee (massive if he comes back how he left us), and Kilman and Sa have also moved into that bracket, we'd get big money for those if we sold

 

[JOSWolf]

How many times have they been close to a title?

Biggest fanbases, sure, biggest club full with star players? Nah, not having it.

Also worth pointing out that before we played Arsenal last night they hadnt been in the best of form.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Of course it’s about hope, I’m not saying different. I’m saying crying because of a result is reactionary and it wouldn’t have happened had we won. Do we have to have an enquiry about ambition after every loss??

You keep making the same point - ‘we wouldn’t complain about a loss after a win’ - clearly not. It’s possibly the most redundant observation in the history of the internet.

We’re linking the last two losses to squad issues that have been ignored during the recent transfer window and long before. And yes plenty of people still pointed out the squad issues and importance of the transfer window even when we were winning…

 

[VancouverWolf]

You keep making the same point - ‘we wouldn’t complain about a loss after a win’ - clearly not. It’s possibly the most redundant observation in the history of the internet.

We’re linking the last two losses to squad issues that have been ignored during the recent transfer window and long before. And yes plenty of people still pointed out the squad issues and importance of the transfer window even when we were winning…

If I may ask you something……
If Bruno came straight out publicly and said that he and Jeff tried very hard and long to find and buy players in the Jan. window, would you give them any credit for trying?

 

[Summer_Wolf]

I’m not defending it actually, I’m merely pointing out how pathetic this Thread is. I’ll say it again for you, would this have been a thread had we won?

Actually, there was a thread right after the United win, pleading with Fosun to back Bruno, in which similar things to this thread were being discussed.

BACK BRUNO NOW

Jeff / Fosun - Bruno has shown he can make us great! Buy him whoever he wants! COME ON JEFF! **also thanks for bringing him here in the first place, you’re extremely clever

www.molineuxmix.co.uk

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Yep we remained unbeaten in January and most wanted us to get in some reinforcements in, it's nothing to do with hindsight or reacting to a loss, it's reacting to the state of the squad

 

[JOSWolf]

Yep we remained unbeaten in January and most wanted us to get in some reinforcements in, it's nothing to do with hindsight or reacting to a loss, it's reacting to the state of the squad

Yep a lot of us on here were calling for reinforcements even after the Man Utd or around that time as most could see the squad needed a couple of quality additions to help us push on through a difficult February. As it is we didnt and have now lost the last 2 games when I am pretty convinced 2 quality players added to that side would have made a big difference.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

If I may ask you something……
If Bruno came straight out publicly and said that he and Jeff tried very hard and long to find and buy players in the Jan. window, would you give them any credit for trying?

Yes in theory but it’s hasn’t happened and won’t happen because we clearly weren’t going to spend as we don’t have any money without accumulating further debt,
I’m not even mad about that - what I am mad about is not spending AND loaning out Traore when we were doing as well as we were.
People on here seem to think a nuanced position isn’t possible… for the avoidance of doubt I am PRO JEFF and PRO FOSUN - massively so. But I think we totally ****ed up this window and we’re playing a dangerous game that’s going to cost us the chance of Europe.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Actually, there was a thread right after the United win, pleading with Fosun to back Bruno, in which similar things to this thread were being discussed.

BACK BRUNO NOW

Jeff / Fosun - Bruno has shown he can make us great! Buy him whoever he wants! COME ON JEFF! **also thanks for bringing him here in the first place, you’re extremely clever

www.molineuxmix.co.uk

I don’t know who started that thread but they seem forward thinking, clever and probably well endowed and attractive.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Net spend my ass. He may have had a net spend on player transfers but what about promotion. What about keeping us in the pre to finish where we did. What about European money. What about full houses at molineux for every game for 4 years. What about the massive increase in shirt sales and commercial revenue. What about the value of the players he left us with that haven’t been sold. Nuno Paid that ‘net spend’ back and then some.

I mean he was absolutely worth the money but there hasn't remotely been a massive increase in commercial or shirt sale revenue. We over his tenure about broke even money wise.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Yes in theory but it’s hasn’t happened and won’t happen because we clearly weren’t going to spend as we don’t have any money without accumulating further debt,
I’m not even mad about that - what I am mad about is not spending AND loaning out Traore when we were doing as well as we were.
People on here seem to think a nuanced position isn’t possible… for the avoidance of doubt I am PRO JEFF and PRO FOSUN - massively so. But I think we totally ****ed up this window and we’re playing a dangerous game that’s going to cost us the chance of Europe.

We know that in the summer window Wolves were trying to get in some players which tells us they knew they needed more players.
But apart from Sa, Trincao, Mosquera and Hee Chan we didn’t get Botman and Sanchez. It happens.

It makes sense that if the right player, right price was available in Jan. that they would have got him…….why wouldn’t they continue trying as they did in the summer?
But the Jan. window is very difficult.

I would bet my last dollar that Bruno and Jeff did try to find players in this last window, apart from Chiquinho.
But slim pickens.

 

[Axle]

The biggest mismanagement of Fosun was Diogo Jota

I can’t agree with this. He was on the bench a lot and he didn’t always fit the system we played.

A European superpower come in with a very good offer and that’s on the owners?

That will be the player and to a lesser extent the manager. The owners saw a good return on investment and sold him.

If we wanted him to stay he should have been prioritised by the then manager.

Nothing to do with Fosun

 

[Rhoswolf]

We know that in the summer window Wolves were trying to get in some players which tells us they knew they needed more players.
But apart from Sa, Trincao, Mosquera and Hee Chan we didn’t get Botman and Sanchez. It happens.

It makes sense that if the right player, right price was available in Jan. that they would have got him…….why wouldn’t they continue trying as they did in the summer?
But the Jan. window is very difficult.

I would bet my last dollar that Bruno and Jeff did try to find players in this last window, apart from Chiquinho.
But slim pickens.

We know no such thing, you choose to believe their propaganda, which is your prerogative, others don't but don't state it as a fact, which it clearly isn't.

 

[JOSWolf]

I don’t know who started that thread but they seem forward thinking, clever and probably well endowed and attractive.

Yep mate. Trouble is the mods changed JOS Wolf to Kebab Warrior for some strange reason!

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

I can’t agree with this. He was on the bench a lot and he didn’t always fit the system we played.

A European superpower come in with a very good offer and that’s on the owners?

That will be the player and to a lesser extent the manager. The owners saw a good return on investment and sold him.

If we wanted him to stay he should have been prioritised by the then manager.

Nothing to do with Fosun

This is what people forget. He was a player from the bevnch towards the end of that season. The same as Adama going.

 

[kidder_wolf_II]

Anyone who thinks we weren’t challenging for top 4 has obviously spent too long listening to Sky Sports and still believe the hype of the big Six.

We were 6 point off top 4 with 3 games in hand and well past the half way stage.

None of the sides outside the top 3 have looked worthy contenders for 4th place.

Have Fosun worked wonders since coming into Wolves? YES, has the recruitment and funding of the playing squad held us back over the last 3 seasons? YES!!!!

Since that summer of Promotion and signing class players like Rui, Mouts, Jonny and Raul it’s all been a bit lack lustre IMO.

I just hope there is a big war chest to freshen up the midfield and attack in the summer

 

[Ned]

It’s probably been posted on here but part of me is beginning to wonder whether Jeff has run the numbers on potential player bonuses, increased squad size required to compete on all fronts and has worked out that it’s financially better to not play in Europe next season.

 

[Starsky]

I know it has become polarised on here, but surely everyone agrees that the Summer is last chance saloon in terms of Fosun showing that they are still engaged?

 

[SA Wolf]

Neto would still command a sizeable fee (massive if he comes back how he left us), and Kilman and Sa have also moved into that bracket, we'd get big money for those if we sold

Fair comment.

 

[SA Wolf]

Seeing as he’s had a promotion recently inside of Fosun would suggest otherwise

Has he? I wasn't aware.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I don’t know who started that thread but they seem forward thinking, clever and probably well endowed and attractive.

Nah, they really weren't lol....

 

[jonesy]

Yep we remained unbeaten in January and most wanted us to get in some reinforcements in, it's nothing to do with hindsight or reacting to a loss, it's reacting to the state of the squad

How dare you talk sense

 

[jonesy]

I know it has become polarised on here, but surely everyone agrees that the Summer is last chance saloon in terms of Fosun showing that they are still engaged?

You can be guaranteed the boys in China have the excuse book drawn up already. They will release saiss mouts Marcal etc and promote marques, Jordao and Cambell as the replacements

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Has he? I wasn't aware.

Fosun Senior Assistant President,
Chair.of Fosun Sports Group,
Exec.Chair of Wolves
Fosun Sports Group ,fairly recently formed but still part of Fosun`s Happiness Division
whose mission statement is to target mid to high end family groups.
so all you legacy fans can sod off!!

 

[hollo]

Do you honestly believe they had the intention of spending 60 million on renato sanches and botman when they were selling to buy earlier in the same window?

Did they have funds available for vitinha or were they trying to renogotiate the fee?

 

[Rhoswolf]

Do you honestly believe they had the intention of spending 60 million on renato sanches and botman when they were selling to buy earlier in the same window?

Did they have funds available for vitinha or were they trying to renogotiate the fee?

No

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

You can be guaranteed the boys in China have the excuse book drawn up already. They will release saiss mouts Marcal etc and promote marques, Jordao and Cambell as the replacements

Then I expect a relegation battle sooner rather than later

 

[Flump]

Then I expect a relegation battle sooner rather than later

Tbf you expected it at the start of this season.

If Raul isn’t firing we’re in for a relegation scrap

And you expected it last April, when we were 14th. Still, if Fulham had gone on that 10 game winning run that everyone thought they kept promising, it might've been closer.

We have to win or draw this game if we lose then we are in a relegation dog fight

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Tbf you expected it at the start of this season.


And you expected it last April, when we were 14th. Still, if Fulham had gone on that 10 game winning run that everyone thought they kept promising, it might've been closer.

Without Raul scoring we don’t offer much do we

 

[Flump]

Without Raul scoring we don’t offer much do we

No, but we're pretty safe despite that!

Win tomorrow and we'll be looking back up the table again.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

No, but we're pretty safe despite that!

Win tomorrow and we'll be looking back up the table again.

I’m glad you’re feeling confident about tomorrow….

 

[Flump]

I’m glad you’re feeling confident about tomorrow….

I keep hearing how amazing Spurs are under Conte. But then they lost to Southampton, and we're far better than them.

We're a decent side, we're going to win games and lose games, there won't always be a wider meaning attached to every single one, but people seem to assume if we win or lose in the current game, then we'll repeat that for every future game.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I keep hearing how amazing Spurs are under Conte. But then they lost to Southampton, and we're far better than them.

We're a decent side, we're going to win games and lose games, there won't always be a wider meaning attached to every single one, but people seem to assume if we win or lose in the current game, then we'll repeat that for every future game.

It’s more the fact of the poor showing in our past two games I’d of took a draw Thursday and tomorrow. Leicester at home we have to step it up and try and win or let our season fizzle out. Spurs ain’t that good and I hope we see it tomorrow just not confident going into the game

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

The reality is traore created a lot of goals for our team despite that not being direct goals or assists. We have lost any threat of getting goal side of a player so will always look predictable

 

[steve vena]

Then I expect a relegation battle sooner rather than

Adama has gone we need to find solutions.