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I don’t think he is that player although he certainly can dribble and move with the ball, I know we need a more attacking CM but I also think we need a Joao replacement and that is where he comes in. We shouldn’t be relying on him at his age, sadly.I agree with that and an additional midfielder who can carry the ball will fix that, my point is Palinha isn’t that player. Nunes could be but I think he’s got bigger fish to fry. Personally I’d like to see a 4231 with Neves and Moutinho in the “two” in front of the defence and MGW or Podence in the “3” with a floating role playing in the gaps.
Well Leicester is the obvious example.I think they want us to do well and the success of the first few Nuno years have possibly given them an impression of football that just isn’t the norm as who else has done what we did and have done in that quick a period of time in this bigger money and insane transfer fee period of football?
Scott sellers, I think gets alway with a lot as he has the “Man City” aura and name on his CV and to non footballing people that will give him an air of authority and seeming gravitas that we are really to see any signs of him deserving at wolves. Fosun not knowing football may take his word on a lot of stuff and also he seems to be a yes man for Jeff which further seems to be a potential issue.
I have worked with guys who to anyone else would be described as “on the way down” in terms of clubs they left to join in successive moves and the owner who wasn’t as close to it or football as we were or the people I knew at other clubs in their scenarios were thought there opinion meant more than ours just because of the names on the CV of the person from a more prestigious club and not their track record of success or even ability to create anything themselves.
It is why I think that if push came to shove, they will invest and if that rapid and saviour type of window is needed, I don’t think they will let sellers or his team have much of any say and simply be their to sign the paperwork and be admin jockeys for Jorge and his team who would be trusted to bring the player to the table and do the finer contract points within a certain financial budget.
Before people say that scenario is unlikely I know 3 transfers involving big names where this happened to stop leaks out of the club and risk the transfer being stolen by a rival.
I agree, Leicester should be the aim.Well Leicester is the obvious example.
Promoted in 2014, champions two years later, FA Cup winners and an average of 8th position since the title season.
Including two top 5 finishes.
They have to be our role model in my view, and show what is possible.
Could Leicester break into the top 6? They have come very close.
Fosun, by now, with six years of ownership behind them, must also know this, of course, as well as knowing
just how hard that challenge is. The revisions to FFP have made it somewhat harder as the wage ceiling means the
art of managing a relatively smaller squad becomes more pressured.
But on the other hand, the top group have become more unstable, more prone to crisis, and evermore entitled fans. The Leicesters and Wolves of this world have to use that advantage as well.
It remains my longheld view, that it is non-football developments holding Fosun back from a more ambitious strategy since Covid started, and Brexit impacted. They are treading water, but that is not a feasible strategy in this sphere of sport, hence the desire to sell.
Problem with that is - we don't have anyone to play the "1"I agree with that and an additional midfielder who can carry the ball will fix that, my point is Palinha isn’t that player. Nunes could be but I think he’s got bigger fish to fry. Personally I’d like to see a 4231 with Neves and Moutinho in the “two” in front of the defence and MGW or Podence in the “3” with a floating role playing in the gaps.
Well Leicester is the obvious example.
Promoted in 2014, champions two years later, FA Cup winners and an average of 8th position since the title season.
Including two top 5 finishes.
They have to be our role model in my view, and show what is possible.
Could Leicester break into the top 6? They have come very close.
Fosun, by now, with six years of ownership behind them, must also know this, of course, as well as knowing
just how hard that challenge is. The revisions to FFP have made it somewhat harder as the wage ceiling means the
art of managing a relatively smaller squad becomes more pressured.
But on the other hand, the top group have become more unstable, more prone to crisis, and evermore entitled fans. The Leicesters and Wolves of this world have to use that advantage as well.
It remains my longheld view, that it is non-football developments holding Fosun back from a more ambitious strategy since Covid started, and Brexit impacted. They are treading water, but that is not a feasible strategy in this sphere of sport, hence the desire to sell.
Not the same ownership team or business model from 2002 as they were bought by their amazing late owner in 2010.People,always go on about Leicester as being a role model, but they seem to forget they went bust in 2002, shafting loads of local businesses in the process, because they over stretched themselves financially and then started again with a clean sheet of paper, having written off their debts.
No thanks.
Well Leicester is the obvious example.
Promoted in 2014, champions two years later, FA Cup winners and an average of 8th position since the title season.
Including two top 5 finishes.
They have to be our role model in my view, and show what is possible.
Could Leicester break into the top 6? They have come very close.
Well Wolves started also with a clean sheet when Morgan sold the club to Fosun for a modest sum.People,always go on about Leicester as being a role model, but they seem to forget they went bust in 2002, shafting loads of local businesses in the process, because they over stretched themselves financially and then started again with a clean sheet of paper, having written off their debts.
No thanks.
Correct, but the new owner benefitted from the fact that the debt of the previous owners had been written off when they were re-born after 2002.Not the same ownership team or business model from 2002 as they were bought by their amazing late owner in 2010.
The new owner changed the mindset and approach of the club into one that is a great model and example to those outside the top 6.
But if your criticising how a club used to be run badly as the reason it cannot be a great model now, then by your reasoning surely we are a shambolic club business model due to the bhatti’s?Correct, but the new owner benefitted from the fact that the debt of the previous owners had been written off when they were re-born after 2002.
There are stories that Fifpro are monitoring the DeJong situation due to the signing of big wage players and transfer fees when millions and in some cases tens of millions are owed to some playersThis only happens if Man Utd don't push for him. We should all hope that de Jong gives up sulking and decides to sign for them imo.
Not the same ownership team or business model from 2002 as they were bought by their amazing late owner in 2010.
The new owner changed the mindset and approach of the club into one that is a great model and example to those outside the top 6.
Finished what, 1 point above us last year?
I know, BuT teH injURIES!
Well, they've strengthened even less than we have this year!
Moutinho, Neves and Nunes would get absolutely shredded. Nunes/MGW/Podence aren't going to provide cover, Moutinho is one of the worst players in Europe for being dribbled past and Neves isn't exactly quick. The counter attacking goals we'd concede would be frighteningI agree with that and an additional midfielder who can carry the ball will fix that, my point is Palinha isn’t that player. Nunes could be but I think he’s got bigger fish to fry. Personally I’d like to see a 4231 with Neves and Moutinho in the “two” in front of the defence and MGW or Podence in the “3” with a floating role playing in the gaps.
Leicester's record was good. You obviously missed the link posted on here showing that they hadn't been making the sales lately and has a fast aging highly paid squad.....I agree, Leicester should be the aim.
But the difference is their recruitment team are levels above ours. They buy a player and sell them at peak value, they got 80m for Maguire for gods sake! That is the theft of the century! Let alone the profits on Mahrez, Kante and drinkwater.
They also have a good habit of buying the replacement before they sell. Soyuncu was there and bought in advance of Maguire being sold based on this plan. The signed fofana and if they sell him again MAJOR profit same with James Maddison.
They have reached a point where they must sell to buy also BUT they invested and have traded far better than we have and it shows how the buy young and cheaper and sell when done properly is fantastic.
Scott sellers needs to learn from them as to how to run an efficient and successful transfer and scouting team.
Barcelona owe him millions and are now tryimg to push him out. I hope that he takes them to the cleaners financially and stays put. Absolutely vile club, shame that they didn't go bust (Real are exactly the same).This only happens if Man Utd don't push for him. We should all hope that de Jong gives up sulking and decides to sign for them imo.
...and the Leicester natives aren't happy. I sometimes dip into their forum as I lived in Leicester for a short while and know a few Leicester fans on there. It's been so negative recently, with the latest example being a thread called 'Are we a club on the decline?' Opening post:Leicester's record was good. You obviously missed the link posted on here showing that they hadn't been making the sales lately and has a fast aging highly paid squad.....
Barcelona owe him millions and are now tryimg to push him out. I hope that he takes them to the cleaners financially and stays put. Absolutely vile club, shame that they didn't go bust (Real are exactly the same).
That defensive stat is misleading as defensive team we obviously always we defending without the ball that’s why he’s run past so much. Even in games we win we have a lower percentage possession rate so of course our midfield gets dribbled past more. Plus a vast majority of premier league teams play with an extra cm in a 4231 or 433 where nearly all of last season we played 343 which invariably meant the wing backs were pushed back and the “4” turned into a “2”Moutinho, Neves and Nunes would get absolutely shredded. Nunes/MGW/Podence aren't going to provide cover, Moutinho is one of the worst players in Europe for being dribbled past and Neves isn't exactly quick. The counter attacking goals we'd concede would be frightening
In previous years they have done very astute business and have sadly reached the same point we are also now in, needing to sell to generate funds.
But I know who has done the buy cheap sell high model far better and it ain’t us and that was the point I was making.
You could also ask:Yes, I and everyone else in the world know Leicester have done well across the last few years. And it's very easy to point at teams which have done well.
But there's also an element of chance - the convergence of several unexpectedly good players all peaking at the same time. Even the owners you admire so much, as you said, haven't found a way of replacing Vardy, so they're dependent on a 35 year old's hamstrings for success. And that's with a very good manager.
Those same owners that you admire so much haven't managed to sign even 1 player (I think, still) this summer. Have they suddenly stopped being competent, or does that indicate it's very difficult to consistently do well in the transfer market?
I think part of the reason so many fans are so utterly grumpy so much of the time is that they're always comparing Wolves to whichever non-Sky-6 team is currently best.
Why aren't we like Southampton?
Why aren't we like Leicester?
Why aren't we like West Ham?
Why aren't we like....?
In reality, every club has ups and downs every few years as groups of good and bad signings/youth prospects cluster together, partly through chance, and teams rise and fall. So yes, compare us to Leicester (and our owners to their owners) if you want, but that means doing the comparison right now, as well as over the last few years, if you want to be fair.
Leicester's record was good. You obviously missed the link posted on here showing that they hadn't been making the sales lately and has a fast aging highly paid squad.....
...and the Leicester natives aren't happy. I sometimes dip into their forum as I lived in Leicester for a short while and know a few Leicester fans on there. It's been so negative recently, with the latest example being a thread called 'Are we a club on the decline?' Opening post:
"With Kasper leaving and the lack of a replacement or any signing. Are we on the d clone as a club? Have we reached our peak and that’s as good as it gets?"
"It all seems so negative and we seem to be feeling the effects of not qualifying for the champions league twice and some poor management with regards to transfers and contracts."
If he stays we have to give him a new contract, even if it’s with a release clause lower than the ridiculous 70 mill I’ve seen quoted in the press that we are asking for.
If he stays and he doesn’t get a new contract then he goes for peanuts next summer or we end up with a situation like Traore where it seems he’s going to see out his contract and move for nowt
I don’t admire their owners as you keep lazily implying to reduce my points. I simply can and have looked objectively at both and compare and contrast without bias and objectivity. And because of what I have learned about themYes, I and everyone else in the world know Leicester have done well across the last few years. And it's very easy to point at teams which have done well.
But there's also an element of chance - the convergence of several unexpectedly good players all peaking at the same time. Even the owners you admire so much, as you said, haven't found a way of replacing Vardy, so they're dependent on a 35 year old's hamstrings for success. And that's with a very good manager.
Those same owners that you admire so much haven't managed to sign even 1 player (I think, still) this summer. Have they suddenly stopped being competent, or does that indicate it's very difficult to consistently do well in the transfer market?
I think part of the reason so many fans are so utterly grumpy so much of the time is that they're always comparing Wolves to whichever non-Sky-6 team is currently best.
Why aren't we like Southampton?
Why aren't we like Leicester?
Why aren't we like West Ham?
Why aren't we like....?
In reality, every club has ups and downs every few years as groups of good and bad signings/youth prospects cluster together, partly through chance, and teams rise and fall. So yes, compare us to Leicester (and our owners to their owners) if you want, but that means doing the comparison right now, as well as over the last few years, if you want to be fair.
Ruben is a good lad, he loves the club and the fans and I believe he would sign a new contract to make sure we don’t lose out too much with a reduced fee when he does move on.If he stays we have to give him a new contract, even if it’s with a release clause lower than the ridiculous 70 mill I’ve seen quoted in the press that we are asking for.
If he stays and he doesn’t get a new contract then he goes for peanuts next summer or we end up with a situation like Traore where it seems he’s going to see out his contract and move for nowt
Yes I did miss that, I will go and find it.Leicester's record was good. You obviously missed the link posted on here showing that they hadn't been making the sales lately and has a fast aging highly paid squad.....
It's up to us and Neves, nobody else.This only happens if Man Utd don't push for him. We should all hope that de Jong gives up sulking and decides to sign for them imo.
Can't remember which thread and who posted it, sorry, but it was well worth reading and a bit of an eye opener.Yes I did miss that, I will go and find it.
Was on the athletic, bout a week ago, maybe slightly more? Search Leicester it’ll be there.Yes I did miss that, I will go and find it.
Cheers mate, was going to join the athletic again this week so that is on the list to read!Was on the athletic, bout a week ago, maybe slightly more? Search Leicester it’ll be there.
Wolves expect Neves to stay
Wolves are confident Ruben Neves will stay this summer and the club would like to talk to him about a new contract.