Lopetegui

[QB Wolf]

Thought JL did a brilliant job and I’m a big fan, think he’s a very good manager and I’m sure he’ll do a great job at the hammers, even if I hope he doesn’t.

However I thought his actions with the interview, his attitude towards a changing environment and the way he left the club were a bit childish to be honest, as was his treatment of RAN and the Jimenez thing.

If he was as good as he thinks he is, he’d have stayed and done a better job than GON has and proven it, he’d have the club into Europe, it wouldn’t have taken much more maybe JL could have got that striker in Jan with his contacts, but he didn’t he quit.

 

[Ned]

Massive disrespect for his ability as a manager. He came in with a huge aura and you knew we were going to be ok the second he did that walk round the pitch with the Spanish bumsniff in tow.

The football was pragmatic but how else do people think a struggling, non-scoring, no confidence side was going to stay up? Suddenly become Brazil 1970 and score our way up the table?

I’ve no doubt that we would have been more expansive, the friendly against Rennes was enough for me to see that. Just a shame we didn’t/couldn’t stick to the Plan B that he had agreed to stay with after some deliberation.

I love what GON has and is doing here but the idea that Lopetegui wouldn’t have been successful is a bit harsh/silly.

 

[Perton Wolf]

He will do well. Don’t know why everyone hates him so much . He kept us in the league

Easier to blame and criticise him than reflect on our ownership's role in the debacle of his exit, to be honest.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Loppy didn't rate RAN. Just for that he's a *******.

Nuno didn't rate Vitinha.
GON seemingly didn't rate Sarabia until injuries forced his hand.
Pep didn't rate Cole Palmer enough to think he was worth giving more minutes to.

Just a few examples, doesn't make any of those **** managers or overrated etc.

 

[Wolves in Limerick]

Right man, right place, right time who guided us to safety with games to spare, not sure who else could have rescued the situation at the time?

Gary O'Neil perhaps? He had a little more time at Bournemouth and got them to safety

 

[the genius]

And the way he treated Raul. Refusing to bring him on for a final time in a meaningless home game so that we could all give him the send off he deserved was unforgivable.

Lopetegui's handling of Raul and Moutinho in their last game was disappointing. Both players deserved better treatment, whether in terms of playing time or recognition for their contributions.

 

[Wolf316]

Lopetegui's handling of Raul and Moutinho in their last game was disappointing. Both players deserved better treatment, whether in terms of playing time or recognition for their contributions.

I don’t think Moutinho was down to Lop

 

[bigwolf]

Easier to blame and criticise him than reflect on our ownership's role in the debacle of his exit, to be honest.

Agreed.

He did what was asked of him in keeping us up. He was promised something. That didn't materialise. He walked. Don't blame him.

He has principles and standards. Nothing wrong with that.

As someone said on here at some point before with Nuno it felt like family. With Lopetegui it felt like business. He was not going to put up with the crap from Jeff that Nuno and Bruno did. Whether GON will only time will tell.

 

[SuperGran]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1782760620749619396

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1782760620749619396

I love that, "Lopetego prefers AC Milan", there's a surprise. Such an unassuming chap!

 

[StaffordWolf]

I love that, "Lopetego prefers AC Milan", there's a surprise. Such an unassuming chap!

It'd be amusing if he ended up at his second choice west ham now haha.

 

[wolfslair]

Gary O'Neil perhaps? He had a little more time at Bournemouth and got them to safety

Gary o Neil was already at Bournemouth and had a good relationship with the players.

JL came in cold and a side bottom of the league.

Very different starting points for their respective survival challenges when they took over at each of their clubs

 

[Jefe]

Nuno didn't rate Vitinha. GON seemingly didn't rate Sarabia until injuries forced his hand. Pep didn't rate Cole Palmer enough to think he was worth giving more minutes to. Just a few examples, doesn't make any of those **** managers or overrated etc.

Those post-Hoc comments are just another stick to bash him. The rumours of RAN's personal issues notwithstanding, sometimes managers and players just don't gel for some reason. There are players in the squad right now that GON doesn't appear to rate highly either, like Boubacar or Bellegarde (before his injury). It might be in a season or two that Bellegarde becomes one of our best players - we just don't know. Will people say, "GON didn't rate Bellegarde, for that alone he is a ****"?

 

[Skrilla]

Lopetegui throwing a strop because he couldn't spend his way into a points deduction, taking a year off from football only to end up at... West Ham. That would be hilarious.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1782760620749619396

His biggest achievement was keeping Wolves up though. Didn’t have a bad word to say about Wolves when I saw him last season. Just sold short by the ownership. He loved the club and fans

 

[OLDGOLD]

I know promises were broken, but I have never taken to Lopetegui. I also don't like West Ham, so I hope he goes there and does ****.

 

[North West Wanderer]

Easier to blame and criticise him than reflect on our ownership's role in the debacle of his exit, to be honest.

It is also possible to do both.

Not getting drawn back in to the JL debate.

 

[Wanderer Til I Die]

I know promises were broken, but I have never taken to Lopetegui. I also don't like West Ham, so I hope he goes there and does ****.

This in spades.

 

[Jefe]

Lopetegui throwing a strop because he couldn't spend his way into a points deduction, taking a year off from football only to end up at... West Ham. That would be hilarious.

West Ham won silverware last season, have just completed their third successive European campaign, their 49th game of the season so far, and are being linked to Amorim. They are light years ahead of us structurally. Lopetegui isn't an elite manager in with a chance of Liverpool - after all, he agreed to join Wolves. His level I would say is a side like West Ham or Brighton - at a stretch United or Chelsea. It's hardly the underwhelming and spurious links to Forest and Palace.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Lopetegui throwing a strop because he couldn't spend his way into a points deduction, taking a year off from football only to end up at... West Ham. That would be hilarious.

Upgrade for him. Much bigger stadium, attendances, spending power and a club that has had 3 consecutive European campaigns.

 

[Skrilla]

West Ham have just completed their third successive European campaign, their 49th game of the season so far, and are being linked to Amorim. They are light years ahead of us structurally. Lopetegui isn't an elite manager in with a chance of Liverpool - after all, he agreed to join Wolves. His level I would say is a side like West Ham or Brighton - at a stretch United or Chelsea. It's hardly the underwhelming and spurious links to Forest and Palace.

I think it was clear he thought his level was a "big six" club. In spite of that I think West Ham and Wolves both at full strength are similar in quality, in my opinion. No doubt they've had a nice little run in Europe in recent years. Amorim has reportedly turned them down as well so that's a moot point really.

The difference potentially is they may have more capacity to spend in the summer, but I'm hopeful we'll loosen the purse-strings somewhat this summer.

 

[Wolf316]

It is also possible to do both.

Not getting drawn back in to the JL debate.

 

[Monketron]

Upgrade for him. Much bigger stadium, attendances, spending power and a club that has had 3 consecutive European campaigns.

Given the 85% spending limit coming in, if you look at clubs income then West Ham are really the only team that are capable of challenging the top 6 long term (but even then they are miles off the top 6). Their wage bill is almost twice ours.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Given the 85% spending limit coming in, if you look at clubs income then West Ham are really the only team that are capable of challenging the top 6 long term (but even then they are miles off the top 6). Their wage bill is almost twice ours.

Indeed, we are never going to push on as a club until our stadium is fully redeveloped, ideally into a multi purpose venue. That's the truth.

 

[QB Wolf]

Agreed.

He did what was asked of him in keeping us up. He was promised something. That didn't materialise. He walked. Don't blame him.

He has principles and standards. Nothing wrong with that.

As someone said on here at some point before with Nuno it felt like family. With Lopetegui it felt like business. He was not going to put up with the crap from Jeff that Nuno and Bruno did. Whether GON will only time will tell.

Hate this argument, things change, deal with them, not run away.

 

[hollo]

Lopetegui's handling of Raul and Moutinho in their last game was disappointing. Both players deserved better treatment, whether in terms of playing time or recognition for their contributions.

Moutinho didn't bother to say goodbye to the fans and failed to turn up for the last two games. Any respect I had for him goes out the window.

 

[Hot Fuss]

Gary o Neil was already at Bournemouth and had a good relationship with the players.

JL came in cold and a side bottom of the league.

Very different starting points for their respective survival challenges when they took over at each of their clubs

Gaz took over a club who’d lost their previous game 9-0.

Loppy joined us with a months break to work with and 70 million pounds worth of new signings.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Gaz took over a club who’d lost their previous game 9-0.

Loppy joined us with a months break to work with and 70 million pounds worth of new signings.

Beat Villa, then lost to Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool. Hardly the start of nightmares was it? Still finished below Wolves in the table despite us taking half a season off! I understand why some people blame him for going (even though I disagree), but running down what he achieved is rubbish. Bournemouth also spent £50m in January.

 

[Hot Fuss]

Beat Villa, then lost to Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool. Hardly the start of nightmares was it? Still finished below Wolves in the table despite us taking half a season off! I understand why some people blame him for going (even though I disagree), but running down what he achieved is rubbish. Bournemouth also spent £50m in January.

I didn’t say it was the start of nightmares, I just replied to someone who was making out GON walked into a bed of roses while Loppy had a miracle to perform. Neither are true.

 

[old wittonian]

Moutinho didn't bother to say goodbye to the fans and failed to turn up for the last two games. Any respect I had for him goes out the window.

Does anyone know know why he was a no show please?

 

[wolfslair]

Gaz took over a club who’d lost their previous game 9-0.

Loppy joined us with a months break to work with and 70 million pounds worth of new signings.

I didn’t say it was the start of nightmares, I just replied to someone who was making out GON walked into a bed of roses while Loppy had a miracle to perform. Neither are true.

didn’t say he got a bed of roses did I, nor did I imply it.

I made a far and accurate statement of fact over their existing/non existent relationship with their clubs the day they started.

You neglected to mention Gary spent £50m and got loan players in at Jan…..

Both did great jobs, with challenging situations.

But the dumbing down and reducing of what JL did is comical on here…….

He was a **** for how he left, but the job he did that half season to keep us up was fantastic. Separate the two things.

Not everyone wanted the job or would have kept us up.

Just remember Beale turned us down as with our then league position we weren’t a step up from where he was….. code for “ i lost my bottle, the job is too hard. The media like me at the minute and if this goes wrong like it looks like it will, my reputation gets dented.”

So our job was not one to be taken on lightly.

 

[Wolf316]

Hate this argument, things change, deal with them, not run away.

He didn’t want to deal with duplicitous Jeff anymore.

 

[SmiffyWolf]

He did a great job from where we were when he came in we were buried and heading to the champ.

People may not have liked him but has GON been backed by Fosun . Similar patterns we are seeing I am afraid and it's not the managers .

So when GON ****s off I presume some will then be saying he wasn't the man for the job . Rather than our approach at the club is really poor and they need a strategy.

 

[wolfslair]

He did a great job from where we were when he came in we were buried and heading to the champ.

People may not have liked him but has GON been backed by Fosun . Similar patterns we are seeing I am afraid and it's not the managers .

So when GON ****s off I presume some will then be saying he wasn't the man for the job . Rather than our approach at the club is really poor and they need a strategy.

Followed by the copy and paste story from anonymous source “seff jhi” that the manager was prickly and hard to work with and at times making staff uncomfortable.

Like happened to Nuno, lage and JL

 

[wolfslair]

Hate this argument, things change, deal with them, not run away.

When you are controlled by ego and hubris like JL, he was never just going to accept it.

Also if he is a man of morals and the importance of keeping your word and honouring deals, then the repeated moving of goal posts in regards to transfers, then Jeff doing what he did was terminal for the relationship.

Also, Jl has been proven right in the end about the strength of the squad…. Not the starting 11 in isolation, but the whole squad.

The total squad is close relegation fodder after only a small number of random injuries we have lost to a championship team and last 8 matches we are the 16th team in the form which is one game less than when the injury bug started to properly bite when neto kicked it all off……. So when we started to lose players and need to use the depth, we are lucky the bottom 3 have been so poor and weak and that we built up a health gap when the starting 11 was closer to full strength

So he put it in terrible wording, but he wasn’t wrong….. scratch below the starting 11 and the squad is very very poor

 

[Hot Fuss]

didn’t say he got a bed of roses did I, nor did I imply it.

I made a far and accurate statement of fact over their existing/non existent relationship with their clubs the day they started.

You neglected to mention Gary spent £50m and got loan players in at Jan…..

Both did great jobs, with challenging situations.

But the dumbing down and reducing of what JL did is comical on here…….

He was a **** for how he left, but the job he did that half season to keep us up was fantastic. Separate the two things.

Not everyone wanted the job or would have kept us up.

Just remember Beale turned us down as with our then league position we weren’t a step up from where he was….. code for “ i lost my bottle, the job is too hard. The media like me at the minute and if this goes wrong like it looks like it will, my reputation gets dented.”

So our job was not one to be taken on lightly.

The comment was about the situation they both arrived into, so signings Bournemouth made 3 months later weren’t relevant.

He did a good job, can’t knock the run of clean sheets at home. I didn’t particularly enjoy the football, and away games became an absolute chore but I accept it was a needs must situation and he achieved what we needed him to.

 

[SmiffyWolf]

I mean wasn't there talk of a contract offer to GON . Now I may have missed something but I haven't seen him sign up . So either the offer is low or he is keeping possible options open .

I don't see Emery down at Villa stalling. Oh wait he might actually have been told before you can do X y and z and been able to do it . Secondly they probably have a strategy to push forward . Wolves under Nuno they had this but the last few seasons it's not there I am afraid .

Hopefully they have a real look at this or for me hopefully they sell up . As next season will just be like the last few making the numbers up battling for 8/9th or a few injuries and that could be a bottom 6 scrap

 

[Ned]

I mean wasn't there talk of a contract offer to GON . Now I may have missed something but I haven't seen him sign up . So either the offer is low or he is keeping possible options open .

I don't see Emery down at Villa stalling. Oh wait he might actually have been told before you can do X y and z and been able to do it . Secondly they probably have a strategy to push forward . Wolves under Nuno they had this but the last few seasons it's not there I am afraid .

Hopefully they have a real look at this or for me hopefully they sell up . As next season will just be like the last few making the numbers up battling for 8/9th or a few injuries and that could be a bottom 6 scrap

I think I read he said something like there’s a lot to discuss in the summer. Make of that what you will.

 

[wolfslair]

The comment was about the situation they both arrived into, so signings Bournemouth made 3 months later weren’t relevant.

He did a good job, can’t knock the run of clean sheets at home. I didn’t particularly enjoy the football, and away games became an absolute chore but I accept it was a needs must situation and he achieved what we needed him to.

Do you not find it unfair then, that you say for GON it doesn’t matter and omit to say that got £50m of transfer and loan players which means he got more than £50m of talent added to the squad. Then you in the first post make it quite the point that JL got 70m of only perm transfers?

also, GON got the same months break…… JL wasn’t the lone manager to get the same months break to work on things. And I bet GON had more of his squad there and resting than JL lost to the World Cup? So actually JL didn’t have most of our front line players during that time where GON likely did.

So I am sorry mate, if you are going to use the signings of JL to reduce what he achieved, please include the fact GON also got investment…. Keep the playing field fair.

 

[wolfslair]

I think I read he said something like there’s a lot to discuss in the summer. Make of that what you will.

When the season is already effectively over as we aren’t going down, we don’t have any cup/european commitments I don’t see why those conversations shouldn’t be happening now to plan for next season.

Slightly worrying if they aren’t being honest as we have lots of things to do this summer squad wise