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Not according to GON.But we have regressed a bit sharpish since opening our innings at United.
Not according to GON.But we have regressed a bit sharpish since opening our innings at United.
I know. His views post Palace were far more worrying than his comments post Brighton, that the players move around too much and needed to be in the right positions.Not according to GON.
Davies had the chance once to make the job his own. While he was doing that O'Neill was winning enough games to have a fighting chance of keeping us up.Well we’ve now appointed Potter’s successor in Norway and the bloke who couldn’t get Notts County promoted from the Conference (twice) left Forest Green and was at Anderlecht. At least he’s got more managerial experience than O’Neil. They could have saved themselves so much money sticking with Davies.
Warnock would have these for breakfastI really am still wondering if this is because in the event of a sale/buy-out, then the cost of paying them off will be lower overheads for the the new owners. All in all, are we seeing a cheap 'interim' structure.
Either way, it still is really worrying that this is a 'Championship' level managerial set up.
We saw the team that had six weeks to prepare against Man United and its been downhill since.
Maybe we should give him a roll neck and get him to scream in linesmen faces? NI would love GON to be a massive success and Hobbs to proven absolutely correct in his assessment. That would mean we are still a Premier League team and he has been a success. I would be proved thoroughly wrong and eating several portions of humble pie.
Unfortunately I see absolutely no evidence of being proven wrong. We’re seeing pre and post match interviews that are positively Saundersesq. We’re now having the club getting players saying how we’re improving and the manager has good ideas - a sure sign they know they’re in trouble. But the evidence of our own eyes is that we are getting worse. Clubs have been on terrible runs previously with a new manager who magically turns them around - unfortunately this normally occurs in the lower divisions.
Obviously GON must be good as a coach, he was coaching at Liverpool Academy and they don’t tend to employ idiots. As Hobbs said, his school report from coaching school was very good, if not glowing. But I’m just not getting Head Coach vibes. The great head coaches/managers have an aura, they seem to be able to do the unexpected, get greatness out of the average. What I’m seeing is a head coach who’s got the charisma of a wet weekend in Cleethopes, does the expected and gets insipid out of the good. He’s Colin Lee light in his coaching ability and possibly on a par with Saunders.
Everyone knows (except seemingly GON) the reasons why Lopetegui left the club and it was nothing to do with his lack of coaching ability.That's a crazy thing for him to say, we had top European coach all summer and we put in a top performance against Man U as a result of that coaching. He's making it sound like we had Steve Davis in charge. It's been downbloodyhill since.
O'Neil did a good job at Bournemouth. More than good, in fact. I would be interested to see the manager stats you are quoting, but the managers with better stats have achieved those stats at clubs that are likely to do well, and I doubt the stats mean what you say they do.In many jobs you don't hire an inexperienced nobody for a top/senior/experienced role. This is the premier league, not L1.
I'm reminded of a situation where someone was hired even though the boss was told during the interview process they weren't good enough. They were not good enough. They continued not being good enough after they were hired and eventually had to be let go.
In GON's case he did not do a good job at his last job either. What we have seen so far is an extension of that.
And for the record, out of all the current PL managers with over 10 games of experience, GON is 15th of 16th for stats and barely above 16th, making him literally one of the worst managers in the league.
Almost any PL club would not have even given him an interview with his level of experience and demonstrated ability.
I think you are being a bit unfair although I agree with some of your comments. The fact is he has had no pre-season with the players and since he has been here has had very little time to implement his ideas. No he does not come across as the new Arsene Wenger but he knows the game and is at the outset of his managerial career having made a pretty good start. He will be around at least until Christmas. If results go really badly I can see him going about then. But if they pick up he will deservedly have the rest of the season to do his thing. Beyond that who knows but many of us would doubt that he will last more than a season or two at most and that some higher profile manager will be appointed.I would love GON to be a massive success and Hobbs to proven absolutely correct in his assessment. That would mean we are still a Premier League team and he has been a success. I would be proved thoroughly wrong and eating several portions of humble pie.
Unfortunately I see absolutely no evidence of being proven wrong. We’re seeing pre and post match interviews that are positively Saundersesq. We’re now having the club getting players saying how we’re improving and the manager has good ideas - a sure sign they know they’re in trouble. But the evidence of our own eyes is that we are getting worse. Clubs have been on terrible runs previously with a new manager who magically turns them around - unfortunately this normally occurs in the lower divisions.
Obviously GON must be good as a coach, he was coaching at Liverpool Academy and they don’t tend to employ idiots. As Hobbs said, his school report from coaching school was very good, if not glowing. But I’m just not getting Head Coach vibes. The great head coaches/managers have an aura, they seem to be able to do the unexpected, get greatness out of the average. What I’m seeing is a head coach who’s got the charisma of a wet weekend in Cleethopes, does the expected and gets insipid out of the good. He’s Colin Lee light in his coaching ability and possibly on a par with Saunders.
O'Neil did a good job at Bournemouth. More than good, in fact. I would be interested to see the manager stats you are quoting, but the managers with better stats have achieved those stats at clubs that are likely to do well, and I doubt the stats mean what you say they do.
As has been stated numerous times. His side were a statistical anomaly. By every single metric they should have been relegated. It's why he was sacked.O'Neil did a good job at Bournemouth. More than good, in fact.
This is not true. The meme that people use to 'prove' it comes from earlier in the season and only quotes selected stats. It includes the Parker games. And by the metric of points gained they stayed up and deserved to.As has been stated numerous times. His side were a statistical anomaly. By every single metric they should have been relegated. It's why he was sacked.
If he’s so great why are the Bournemouth fans glad to see the back of him?This is not true. The meme that people use to 'prove' it comes from earlier in the season and only quotes selected stats. It includes the Parker games. And by the metric of points gained they stayed up and deserved to.
You don't know why he was sacked, and neither do I, but new owners often sack the manager and bring their own man in. The manager Foley wanted was unavailable as he was running a contract down. Foley waited and then sacked O'Neil at the end of the season and replaced him within hours. It's very likely that Foley had arranged it all with the new manager in advance, and was committed to sacking O'Neil whether he kept Bournemouth up or not.
That table is meaningless, since he was at Bournemouth and the others were not. The sacking was probably pre-arranged. He wasn't out of work long enough to know whether other clubs wanted him, but given he had kept Bournemouth up I think he would have got work pretty soon. Bournemouth fans are pretty similar to our own - the foreign chap with zero English experience is obviously going to be better than the English chap who has just kept them up. They're below us in the table. They might overtake us soon as we have a run of difficult matches, but I would be surprised if we don't finish above them. They've got a new owner and they're trusting him and thinking he knows what he's doing. There are some dissenting voices, but you won't see Wolves fans interviewing the dissenters as it wouldn't fit their narrative.Such a good job he was immediately sacked, no one else wanted him, and Bournemouth fans were going on about the awful football and exact same issues we are seeing for ourselves.
If he did such a good job, then why do stats not reflect that - especially since most of the games come from the "good job" he did at his former job?
Davies had the chance once to make the job his own. While he was doing that O'Neill was winning enough games to have a fighting chance of keeping us up.
The comparisons to people that have failed in their job is completely unfair, as the one job he has had he passed.
You've probably already seen for yourself, but yes he's been called up. Both Buenos have.was Bueno called up on international duty ? if he has Gary has no chance whatsoever to get over what he would want from him
I’d guess those Bournemouth fans who watched his godawful dire football week in week out would know a little more about him than you.That table is meaningless, since he was at Bournemouth and the others were not. The sacking was probably pre-arranged. He wasn't out of work long enough to know whether other clubs wanted him, but given he had kept Bournemouth up I think he would have got work pretty soon. Bournemouth fans are pretty similar to our own - the foreign chap with zero English experience is obviously going to be better than the English chap who has just kept them up. They're below us in the table. They might overtake us soon as we have a run of difficult matches, but I would be surprised if we don't finish above them. They've got a new owner and they're trusting him and thinking he knows what he's doing. There are some dissenting voices, but you won't see Wolves fans interviewing the dissenters as it wouldn't fit their narrative.
Oh, and it tells you everything you need to know about Bournemouth fans that many of them are happy to badmouth the chap who kept them up.
Good question.. but I am sure they will soon change their mind if they continue to languish at the bottom after the way they’ve started this season.If he’s so great why are the Bournemouth fans glad to see the back of him?
Exactly why I think we should switch to a back five. Dawson is too slow in a four, Semedo is a liability with his lapses in concentration, RAN/Bueno are average defenders at best, and Kilman looks like a Rolls Royce with more freedom on the left of a five.Only Fulham have conceded more expected goals against (xGA) from open play than Wolves’ tally of 6.74 and their tally of eight conceded is the worst in the league alongside Burnley.
Oh how I hope you're right..I do genuinely think he’s a caretaker appointment in all but name, with a sale of the club underway or to happen in the coming weeks/months. He’s been through that at Bournemouth last season, so he knows the score, and you could argue he has a better squad at this disposal here than he did there last season, so it would be a fairly logical appointment for Hobbs if so. If correct, then more than likely a new owner would want to appoint their own coaching staff (or reappoint JL). If so, GON gets a chance to further demonstrate he’s able to coach PL clubs, but will be cheap to release if new owners want to appoint someone else quickly.
Either way, he’s our coach, and despite my deep reservations, I truly hope he succeeds while he’s here, however long that may be.
I think its interesting, that GON's credentials as a coach is wheeled out time and time again to defend this appointment.
I've no doubt he's an excellent coach, and I've no doubt he did well, in the coaching courses. He's no idiot.
But in all this, it seems to forget, that being a coach and being a manager(or headcoach) are two entirely different things these days.
Most good managers today arent necessarily good coaches. They obviously might be able to put together a good session, and they can certainly teach the players a thing or two about anything from shape to individual skills.
However most of all, their assignment is to be the overall visionbuilder. To have clear plan for where they want the team to head, and be able to communicate that clearly to a team of coaches who can implement it in training, and to the players.
And the opposite is true as well of course. Nuno had a good example in his staff, with Ian Cathro. By all accounts an excellent coach, but his time as a manager showed that he was poor at that.
Now of course GON, can become a good manager. But he's learning on the job, and he will make mistakes, simply due to inexperience in that role. In the ideal world, he'd made those mistakes in L1 or the Championship, and then in due time had moved on to a PL job.
So my point is - Him being an excellent coach, really doesnt mean much.
That's an absolutely ridiculous set of stats to judge someone on. He is inexperienced and overachieved with a poor Bournemouth side, whose new owners wanted their own man. Just how high up that table would you expect him to be based on one season at Bournemouth?!! Laughable.Such a good job he was immediately sacked, no one else wanted him, and Bournemouth fans were going on about the awful football and exact same issues we are seeing for ourselves.
If he did such a good job, then why do stats not reflect that - especially since most of the games come from the "good job" he did at his former job?
Many of whom post regularly on here.Some Wolves fans were glad to see the back of Nuno also.
Doing well aren't they Bournemouth.If he’s so great why are the Bournemouth fans glad to see the back of him?
While I agree that you can't compare based on points tallies, he did not do a more than good job there. Their fans consider he did ok and was lucky. He didn't do badly but his football was atrocious anti football. Ours wasn't much better most of the time.O'Neil did a good job at Bournemouth. More than good, in fact. I would be interested to see the manager stats you are quoting, but the managers with better stats have achieved those stats at clubs that are likely to do well, and I doubt the stats mean what you say they do.
Embarrassing factual errors. 'Half a season at Bournemouth'. Then there's the other bit I've bolded. Burnley have conceded more than us (from fewer matches), so have Fulham, so have Luton (from fewer matches). This bloke doesn't know what he is talking about. Everybody expected Bournemouth to go down last season, and O'Neil kept them up comfortably.Part of a Sporting Life article, with no axe to grind.
Defence already a big, big worry...
The Molineux opening was probably the most undesirable job in the Premier League this summer.
With Julen Lopetegui departing, former Cherries boss Gary O'Neil was brave to step in, but it may ultimately be the wrong move from the Wolves board.
Three defeats in their first four games is far from an ideal start for the club. They were promising in the league opener against Manchester United, but were unlucky to come away with nothing.
Losses against Brighton and Crystal Palace most recently have followed, though a 1-0 victory against Everton did offer some respite.
Wolves' dire FFP situation meant that the club had to sell five first-team players, including the likes of Ruben Neves and Matheus Nunes.
In terms of incomings, the club did manage to bag a few signings after sales were made, including Jean-Ricner Bellegarde, Santiago Bueno as well as Paraguayan starlet Enso Gonzalez.
Only Fulham have conceded more expected goals against (xGA) from open play than Wolves’ tally of 6.74 and their tally of eight conceded is the worst in the league alongside Burnley.
Hiring O’Neil feels like a stop-gap appointment at best, and was certainly reactionary after half a season at Bournemouth where they just about survived.
Expect a similarly shaky ride for Wolves this season. Early signs are concerning.
That says they have got the next appointment wrong not that they were wrong to sack O Neil.Doing well aren't they Bournemouth.
Or that they underestimated how well he did.That says they have got the next appointment wrong not that they were wrong to sack O Neil.
It would probably be Gattuso....so wouldn't get too excited....Cant see GON being here after Christmas tbh
I know its very early and things change but ive seen nothing so far to fill me with enthusiasm
If he does go who do we bring in?
Potter is an obvious choice,how about Tadesco currently Belgium manager? Any more suggestions?