Summer 2024 transfer window thread.

[rincewind]

As per yesterday, he's worth over £3m on the books and that's the most we'll get for him IMO. There's no significant profit in him, Guedes or Fabio.

No profit but for FFP purposes we remove their amortization value for however many years (if we realise the outstanding value), plus wages so still good.

 

[goldeneyed]

Yes possibly...but surely that would have been checked out before we agreed a loan with option then buy...

It was very last minute....not particularly saying the Brazilian lad wasn't fancied just not convinced we had any long term intentions with ANY of the January targets.....Ings Etikike and we have already said we didn't want to pay the lottery and fee for Broja as we hadn't got much interest in it being any longer....

January was about what we could get with limited funds.... probably not necessarily what we wanted ...hence ending up with nowt ......

The exception being Che Adams but we didn't fancy actually paying a fee for him , when we had the chance of getting him for nowt ..

Totally different market in the summer, with different circumstances...

Adams won't be for 'nowt'- signing on fee, will want fancy wages and a four year contract. A poor striker who is not up to the Premier League and not young either. Let Luton and Sheff U chase him.

 

[goldeneyed]

I don't think RAN will be here after the summer if he stays fit . Anything over £40 million and they will cash in .

We don't have a strategy to push on and build a squad or team imo . It's more about player turnover and profits on them . The reinvest little on the odd up and coming players that hopefully come good and we sell for profit.

Imo that way doesn't ever get you moving forwards very far at all . Just the odd good season say top half . Then 2/3 seasons lower half of prem scrapping. Appreciate we have FFP but no other teams have sold lots of their so called better players and have a paper thin squad have they really . Everyone said in January it will bite teams and they will be selling lots of players and nothing happened .

If we lose the likes of RAN as well as Neto and perhaps others we might as well give up now and simply await the season when the drop becomes inevitable. You only sell your best players for absolute top dollar and that would mean £80m for RAN as far as I am concerned and similar with Neto although his injury record might chop off a bit from that. See Brighton for details. As it is we are going to lose Guedes, Silva and Podence for peanuts which is scandalous imv. I doubt we will get more than £20m for those three representing a loss of some £68m and that is assuming we can agree sales rather than interminable loan deals. Then there is the crippled Sasa- another £15m down the drain. And people wonder why there is no money...

 

[goldeneyed]

Wouldn’t believe everything in the media.

I’m sure Hobbs will have irons in the fire

Yea he had irons in the fire in January....all turned to ashes.

 

[goldeneyed]

No chance Wellbeck and Adams are good enough to be our number one striker.

Nor our number 3 striker unless we want a relegation battle. Welbeck is 34, Adams is crap in Premier League terms.

 

[goldeneyed]

Won’t happen but Maguire plus cash for Kilman would be a great bit of business

No it wouldn't. His wages would be astronomical and he is 32 next season.

 

[steve vena]

Maguire is gash. We need pacey Centre backs not cart horses.

 

[SA Wolf]

Nor our number 3 striker unless we want a relegation battle. Welbeck is 34, Adams is crap in Premier League terms.

Adams is not 'crap' in Premier League terms. His Prem record is ;

124 appearances, 25 goals, 13 assists. It's probably better than most of our strikers from recent years with the exception of Raul and Cunha (by extrapolation).
He's not going to be our first choice, but as a squad player, called upon when Cunha or Hwang or A.N. Other is crocked or suspended; he's a better option than Fraser or Chiwome or Sasa or Silva.

 

[hollo]

As per yesterday, he's worth over £3m on the books and that's the most we'll get for him IMO. There's no significant profit in him, Guedes or Fabio.

He renewed so it is less than 3 million.

 

[Wolf316]

Maguire is gash. We need pacey Centre backs not cart horses.

He’d walk in to our first 11

 

[goldeneyed]

Adams is not 'crap' in Premier League terms. His Prem record is ;

124 appearances, 25 goals, 13 assists. It's probably better than most of our strikers from recent years with the exception of Raul and Cunha (by extrapolation).
He's not going to be our first choice, but as a squad player, called upon when Cunha or Hwang or A.N. Other is crocked or suspended; he's a better option than Fraser or Chiwome or Sasa or Silva.

In the whole of world football why Che Adams...cos he is on a 'free' He has been mainly rubbish for Scotland and is only in the squad because they have virtually no other strikers, 5 goals in 29 appearances . 25 goals in 124 appearances...you think that is a recommendation. 35 goals in 156 appearances for Southampton, 34 goals in 116 appearances for Birmingham- hardly prolific even in the Championship. Anyone is better than our 18 and 19 year olds who are 'babies' in Premier League terms. Silva is Silva.... Adams is a hard working journeyman who should be playing permanently in the Championship or at the bottom of the Premier League for the likes of Luton or Burnley. If that is the level of the club's aspiration after such a disastrous run of striker signings I give up with them. Hopeless. But it would not surprise if we land up with him on an expensive four or five year contract....He is soon to be 28 so no youngster with upside potential either.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

He renewed so it is less than 3 million.

Yes, sorry that is correct.

The way I have it he signed for 4.5 years in Jan 20 for £17m so that's say £3.8m a year. So in August 23 he's down to £3.7m. then he signs an extension so that's amortised over 2 seasons so this Summer his book value is around £1.9m. So maybe we can make a bit on him, although his wages will probably mean we still don't make that much though. He seems to have done OK this season so maybe we could get £5m or so and make a bit of a profit.

 

[MickHolmesFanClub]

All the noises coming from Hobbs a month or so back is that we will likely have to sell at least one 'high value' player each summer in order to grow and refresh the squad size.

Before the latest injury setback that was looking like Neto and probably for a high fee. That has to be in some doubt now but if we did sell I doubt we would get anything more than £50m now with the injury record (we may be able to negotiate add-ons etc but that wouldn't help with the immediate PSR figures).

It's more likely, therefore, that one of RAN or Gomes could be the one sold unless we got a silly offer for Kilman.

In the case of RAN we would, at the very least, have to pay Angers approx £10m to buy out the sell-on clause, which lessens the financial benefit, so we would need to generate additional funds from the sale of others like Silva, Guedes, Hoever, Podence etc if we are to provide GON with a decent size war chest.

Personally, if we have to sell one 'big star' I'd rather it was Neto than either RAN or Gomes at this stage - even if it was for an initial lower fee than we may have been hoping for a couple of months ago.

It's going to be an interesting summer and, with the Euros taking place, we may not see much movement until mid to late July?

 

[Jd132]

To get to a functioning first team squad that is covered for all but the very worst eventualities we need to:-

• Bring in the man Gary wants to lead the line (Wind, En-Nesyri, Nketiah, Sargent, Adams all recently linked)

• Sign the winger that can go on the outside (Rodgrigo Gomes heavily linked)

• Sign the Goalkeeper to challenge Sa (Bento, Svilar, Valles, Schulte all recently linked)

• Bring back Mosquera

• Finalise the Doyle deal

• Extend Semedo's contract

After that, in footballing terms, it should be one out one in. So, if Neto is sold, we need a replacement. If Max is sold, we need a replacement. If RAN or Joao or Cunha are sold they will all need individual replacements.

The cases of the other loanees (Guedes, Fabio, Podence, Hoever, Cundle, Lembikisa) are all moot- they will either be sold or loaned again and it is up to the club to maximise, break even or make a loss.

 

[Highlandwolf2]

All the noises coming from Hobbs a month or so back is that we will likely have to sell at least one 'high value' player each summer in order to grow and refresh the squad size.

Before the latest injury setback that was looking like Neto and probably for a high fee. That has to be in some doubt now but if we did sell I doubt we would get anything more than £50m now with the injury record (we may be able to negotiate add-ons etc but that wouldn't help with the immediate PSR figures).

It's more likely, therefore, that one of RAN or Gomes could be the one sold unless we got a silly offer for Kilman.

In the case of RAN we would, at the very least, have to pay Angers approx £10m to buy out the sell-on clause, which lessens the financial benefit, so we would need to generate additional funds from the sale of others like Silva, Guedes, Hoever, Podence etc if we are to provide GON with a decent size war chest.

Personally, if we have to sell one 'big star' I'd rather it was Neto than either RAN or Gomes at this stage - even if it was for an initial lower fee than we may have been hoping for a couple of months ago.

It's going to be an interesting summer and, with the Euros taking place, we may not see much movement until mid to late July?

Just like every club other than we "top 6" we are a feeder club, on an as needs basis, to those very clubs. We might even be a feeder club at manager level...... Dependent on our financial situation and ambitions for the future (although with the possibility of a future point deduction over ambition might be a very bad thing) we should expect to sell one or more of our better players (Alt Nouri might be less likely due to the sell on clause under which we bought him.

Have a look at the various income/loss etc etc tables published on the BBC website yesterday. Very illuminating in many respects (can't find it to attach)

 

[Wolf in the sun]

Jorge Mendes could help Wolves sign 'extraordinary' 21-year-old who Pep Guardiola loves

Mendes magic?

www.molineux.news

original source Sport in Spain- no idea how reliable they are

 

[WickedWolfie]

Jorge Mendes could help Wolves sign 'extraordinary' 21-year-old who Pep Guardiola loves

Mendes magic?

www.molineux.news

original source Sport in Spain- no idea how reliable they are

Like the sound of the player. Certainly do not like the idea of Wolves as a Mendes dumping ground as that article implies. That's hardly consistent with our recent business either. Of course if Mendes helps us get top dollar for some of the unwanted players we may owe him a favour....

 

[Mugwump]

Having a plan to only sell one quality player a year is a good plan, but as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Our punch in the mouth could easily come from us getting bids from top clubs for RAN, Gomes, Neto, and even the likes of Cunha, Kilman and Semedo. If we get bids from more successful clubs that meet our valuations, its not inconcevable we could lose 3 or 4 of our more important players. We arent a big enough, successful enough club to keep players here.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Having a plan to only sell one quality player a year is a good plan, but as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Our punch in the mouth could easily come from us getting bids from top clubs for RAN, Gomes, Neto, and even the likes of Cunha, Kilman and Semedo. If we get bids from more successful clubs that meet our valuations, its not inconcevable we could lose 3 or 4 of our more important players. We arent a big enough, successful enough club to keep players here.

Not to mention agents unsettling such players even in the absence of bids.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Yea he had irons in the fire in January....all turned to ashes.

Because we was under FFP pressures

 

[Contrarian]

Jorge Mendes could help Wolves sign 'extraordinary' 21-year-old who Pep Guardiola loves

Mendes magic?

www.molineux.news

original source Sport in Spain- no idea how reliable they are

Extraordinary young player who Pep loves? Alarm bells ringing loudly. Based on the last 2 players who "Pep loved" and the other "extraordinary young player" Mendes encouraged us to break our transfer record on.

 

[lets all have a disco]

To be fair to Ansu Fati he has stopped reasonably fit at Brighton....which was the concern when we was linked last summer..he was ok in the cup game.. hasn't featured much....can't see us being interested, with finances tight , unless it a loan off sorts ..

 

[Ponty]

Ansu Fati has been poor at Brighton. Odd good moment amongst a sea of dross according to my Brighton season-ticket holding mate.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Ansu Fati has been poor at Brighton. Odd good moment amongst a sea of dross according to my Brighton season-ticket holding mate.

Tbf similar things were said about Cunha in his first half a season here
I think the lad has also had a calf injury that stopped a lot of progress
Doubt we will be in for him other than a loan to buy deal though

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Tbf similar things were said about Cunha in his first half a season here
I think the lad has also had a calf injury that stopped a lot of progress
Doubt we will be in for him other than a loan to buy deal though

Oh here we go, you can see it already Fati for Neto and something like €15m euros pathetic Barcelona again.

 

[Mugwump]

I'd be happy with Fati on loan with an option, or take a gamble for a lowish fee.

 

[Edinburgh Wolf]

In the whole of world football why Che Adams...cos he is on a 'free' He has been mainly rubbish for Scotland and is only in the squad because they have virtually no other strikers, 5 goals in 29 appearances . 25 goals in 124 appearances...you think that is a recommendation. 35 goals in 156 appearances for Southampton, 34 goals in 116 appearances for Birmingham- hardly prolific even in the Championship. Anyone is better than our 18 and 19 year olds who are 'babies' in Premier League terms. Silva is Silva.... Adams is a hard working journeyman who should be playing permanently in the Championship or at the bottom of the Premier League for the likes of Luton or Burnley. If that is the level of the club's aspiration after such a disastrous run of striker signings I give up with them. Hopeless. But it would not surprise if we land up with him on an expensive four or five year contract....He is soon to be 28 so no youngster with upside potential either.

Whilst I think Che Adams is an average, lower half Premier League striker, to cite his scoring record for Scotland as an argument against signing him suggests you don't know the role Steve Clarke asks his strikers to play for Scotland. They are very much there to work their *******s off for the team, run the channels, occupy the centre halves, and drag them out of position to create space for the midfield support to get beyond them.

Since 2020, midfielders have scored more than twice the amount of goals for Scotland as the forwards have (34 goals from midfield, 16 from strikers).

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Oh here we go, you can see it already Fati for Neto and something like €15m euros pathetic Barcelona again.

If we sell Neto its not a bad call tbh,except we would want more like £30 mil on top lol

 

[Rubberball]

Maguire is gash. We need pacey Centre backs not cart horses.

Maguire and Mosquera would be an excellent partnership.

With Dawson and Toti/ Bueno as depth, that's a strong set of CB's

 

[CelebrityWolf]

Nor our number 3 striker unless we want a relegation battle. Welbeck is 34, Adams is crap in Premier League terms.

adams is nowhere near as bad as you make out. 25 goals and 14 assists for a crap side. A definite improvement on Hwang as well.

 

[Rubberball]

adams is nowhere near as bad as you make out. 25 goals and 14 assists for a crap side. A definite improvement on Hwang as well.

Adams is Championship level. He's missing sitters regularly for a free scoring Soton side where Adam Armstrong is making him look very average.

He wasn't even the best forward on the pitch against Ipswich and they fielded Moore, who nobody wanted.

 

[JohnB]

Is it just me or do all the grumpy mixers get up early to post on here?

Before 9am I believe then school starts.

 

[Pengwern]

DON'T go for. Adams. I'm a Scotland fan and he is behind Dyche in the pecking order.

 

[WKFWolf]

DON'T go for. Adams. I'm a Scotland fan and he is behind Dyche in the pecking order.

I'm surprised you are still calling up the Everton manager tbf surely there's younger options?

 

[Supadavewolf]

Minutes per PL goal, Hwang is substantially better than Adams. And he's a good ambassador for the club plus a "saleable commodity" (oh, how I hate that phrase, now we live in PL land) in a football-mad country.

It need not be either or, though, could have both.

Re Maguire, who's going to meet and pay his Yanited-level wages? Not us, surely?

And re Yerson, he's promising but far from a guaranteed success in the PL - though, like many on here, I'm very optimistic

 

[theweave]

No chance Wellbeck and Adams are good enough to be our number one striker.

Our front 3 when all fit would be neto, Hwang and Cunha

 

[theweave]

If those are the replacements we are doomed. All poor, low grade signings. Welbeck is 33 or more isn't he? You want to create an OAP squad with lots of injury prone players on top.The kinds of player we need are McAtee and similar- talented, young but experienced in the Prem who have a lot of upside potential and who would not cost a fortune. We will have far more than £10m to play with, that is absolutely nothing these days and your scenario would guarantee a relegation struggle especially as we are bound to lose at least one of our crown jewels (probably Neto).

That's the point, they aren't replacements, they are adding to what we've already got cheaply so we don't have to sell anyone

 

[Skrilla]

Looking at the squad and assuming we kept everyone (very unlikely), where do we think we need to improve in the summer? A striker is the obvious one. Other than that, I do think our squad is quite well balanced, depending on your opinions of certain players.

GK - Sa/Bentley
RWB - Semedo/Doherty
CB - Kilman/Toti/Dawson/Bueno/Mosquera
LWB - RAN/Bueno
CM - Gomes/Lemina/Doyle/Traore
RW - Neto/Sarabia
ST - New ST/Hwang
LW - Cunha/Bellegarde

Add in a dynamic striker that can add goals, it's not looking bad is it?

That being said, wouldn't mind some upgrades to our depth options. Sa is certainly marmite as well, some weeks he's incredible and some weeks he's an utter liability.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Looking at the squad and assuming we kept everyone (very unlikely), where do we think we need to improve in the summer? A striker is the obvious one. Other than that, I do think our squad is quite well balanced, depending on your opinions of certain players.

GK - Sa/Bentley
RWB - Semedo/Doherty
CB - Kilman/Toti/Dawson/Bueno/Mosquera
LWB - RAN/Bueno
CM - Gomes/Lemina/Doyle/Traore
RW - Neto/Sarabia
ST - New ST/Hwang
LW - Cunha/Bellegarde

Add in a dynamic striker that can add goals, it's not looking bad is it?

That being said, wouldn't mind some upgrades to our depth options. Sa is certainly marmite as well, some weeks he's incredible and some weeks he's an utter liability.

I don't think a club like us can do too much more in terms of improving the first XI.

We can't afford both financially and in general to have a Cunha calibre player on the bench for example.

Similarly, when our outlook is about improving players to allow them to fulfil potential, they need to be playing. So, we have to give opportunities.

If nobody left, it would just be about beefing up the squad with adequate players other than a striker which needs to be good.

I think we need a new centre-back for depth but Mosquera can do that.

So from the current squad, I would be perfectly happy if we added one good striker and a Che Adams type.


Realistically, Neto departs and in that case we need the two above players and then a top class winger as well to replace him, IMO.

If Ait-Nouri goes, we have to replace him with a top-class left-sided player etc.



I personally am totally against the links to a new keeper. Jose Sa has been excellent and is totally underappreciated IMO. I would like a better backup than Bentley if possible though. However, not a priority.

 

[Madmalc]

Looking at the squad and assuming we kept everyone (very unlikely), where do we think we need to improve in the summer? A striker is the obvious one. Other than that, I do think our squad is quite well balanced, depending on your opinions of certain players.

GK - Sa/Bentley
RWB - Semedo/Doherty
CB - Kilman/Toti/Dawson/Bueno/Mosquera
LWB - RAN/Bueno
CM - Gomes/Lemina/Doyle/Traore
RW - Neto/Sarabia
ST - New ST/Hwang
LW - Cunha/Bellegarde

Add in a dynamic striker that can add goals, it's not looking bad is it?

That being said, wouldn't mind some upgrades to our depth options. Sa is certainly marmite as well, some weeks he's incredible and some weeks he's an utter liability.

To keep the team fresh you have to think about the sometimes very short period of time that footballers have when they're at the top of their game.
In my opinion, there could easily be 2,3 or even 4 outgoing players from the 1st team squad most years.
It will be interesting to see if we end up with a squad of 19 or 25 players. GON's latest interview hinted that was a discussion topic. GON also stated that the bigger squad would be from lower cost players, so there is a quality of player trade off, for a bigger squad.

Then again given the large number of substitutes allowed now each game, is a larger lower individual calibre squad, with a sprinkling of top players the best option?