Matheus Cunha

[StaffordWolf]

I think he's a player with big potential, excellent movement off the ball and carries the ball incredibly well.

Stand by my earlier assessment.

 

[Krispy Kreme]

I was thinking they had Jota and Diaz (plus Nunez, Gakpo and Salah) so was discounting them.

Only Nunez wants to play down the middle and only Salah is a creator in my eyes.

But as Brian says I don't want to think about him going anywhere, £75m minimum.

 

[Pseudonym]

We’re exceptionally lucky to have him (both in his ability and cultural impact) and we’re exceptionally lucky he loves Wolves like he does.

Credit to GON recognising his best talent lies away from #9, something JL was vehement he was. He’s a #10 and would get 15+ assists a season easily feeding an intelligent forward with movement.

We paid overs for him at the time and according to his current value, still overs, but I also think he’s on a trajectory to make our money back and then some.

I love him. I genuinely love him

 

[JonahWolf]

"I've played in Brazil vs Argentina, atlético madrid vs real madrid, and now I really want to play the black country derby" and he's dead serious.

He's a guy who wants to be The Guy, and it's so perfect for Wolves.

Early Jimenez mindset. Not play style, but he finally gets to be THE man. Lemina too.

 

[TF2Wolf]

We paid overs for him at the time and according to his current value, still overs, but I also think he’s on a trajectory to make our money back and then some.

If correct as quoted that Chelsea want £50 million for Broja then how much must Cunha be worth in comparison?

I know who I’d prefer to be playing for us that’s for sure

 

[Pseudonym]

If correct as quoted that Chelsea want £50 million for Broja then how much must Cunha be worth in comparison?

I know who I’d prefer to be playing for us that’s for sure

Comparison in “values”.

Chelsea taking the absolute **** with their valuation.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

View attachment 39816

View attachment 39817

Comparison in “values”.

Chelsea taking the absolute **** with their valuation.

I'd like this to go on the Stats thread. Seriously what do these figures mean; both players valued at roughly the same?!

 

[Perton Wolf]

My big concern is that we will get an offer for him in the summer that is too good to refuse. The same applies to Neto, Kilman Gomes and RAN.

We'd be fine without Kilman and Gomes, assuming we get two big fees for them that we could reinvest. They really aren't that good.

Edit - For those who thought I was referring to João Gomes and not Toti Gomes.......really?

 

[brianm]

We'd be fine without Kilman and Gomes, assuming we get two big fees for them that we could reinvest. They really aren't that good.

I think Kilman is a solid but not elite defender...but I think he's a piece, much like RAN, that gives you something unusual from the back with the ball. His (left-footed) passing range is unusually good. You can see how far forward he gets pushed up when the team are camped out with the ball. A tinkerer like O'Neil gets a lot out of him....probably more than the fee he would fetch as a not quite elite defender (imo).

Gomes is still a little raw, but his potential is extraordinary.

 

[Pseudonym]

We'd be fine without Kilman and Gomes, assuming we get two big fees for them that we could reinvest. They really aren't that good.

Incredibly cold and pretty reputation damaging for you take on Gomes.

Really strange.

 

[Hot Fuss]

Cunha is another player who looks better under GON. Love watching him play.

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

Incredibly cold and pretty reputation damaging for you take on Gomes.

Really strange.

Yeah agree, don't diss the Pitbull!!!

 

[Plovdiv Wolf]

Cunha is another player who looks better under GON. Love watching him play.

Very improved

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

Cunha is another player who looks better under GON. Love watching him play.

He's another I have to pinch myself to accept he plays for Wolves. A £40m Brazilian international forward playing for my club would have seemed like the height of lunatic optimism only 8 seasons ago!

 

[wolvesjoe]

We’re exceptionally lucky to have him (both in his ability and cultural impact) and we’re exceptionally lucky he loves Wolves like he does.

Credit to GON recognising his best talent lies away from #9, something JL was vehement he was. He’s a #10 and would get 15+ assists a season easily feeding an intelligent forward with movement.

We paid overs for him at the time and according to his current value, still overs, but I also think he’s on a trajectory to make our money back and then some.

I love him. I genuinely love him

Against Brentford he created two goals and two great chances from the same spot on the left hand side if the box. Precise no 10 territory. I think he has found his position

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Incredibly cold and pretty reputation damaging for you take on Gomes.

Really strange.

I'm confused as to who's reputation is being damaged, is it Perton's or Gomes?

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

I'm confused as to who's reputation is being damaged, is it Perton's or Gomes?

Perton's I'd imagine. Not sure there's much that could damage Gomes' reputation at the moment!

 

[WolfLing]

Early Jimenez mindset. Not play style, but he finally gets to be THE man. Lemina too.

Absolutely. Some players just respond better to being bigger fish in smaller ponds!!

 

[Ned]

Absolutely. Some players just respond better to being bigger fish in smaller ponds!!

Agree. Cunha is at his best when he gets the ball when he wants the ball and is allowed creative freedom. Playing for a bigger and better team will limit this massively.

 

[FJRWolf]

Gomes is probably the best midfielder of his age in the Premier league already, it baffles me if people can't see the lad has something and hopefully will only get better.

Back to Cunha, there's no doubt we paid over the odds for him but that may have done us a favour in the long term. We won't sell him unless it's for a profit, the asking price is either gunna scare potential buyers away or we make a big fat profit... win, win.

 

[WolfLing]

I think Kilman is a solid but not elite defender...but I think he's a piece, much like RAN, that gives you something unusual from the back with the ball. His (left-footed) passing range is unusually good. You can see how far forward he gets pushed up when the team are camped out with the ball. A tinkerer like O'Neil gets a lot out of him....probably more than the fee he would fetch as a not quite elite defender (imo).

Gomes is still a little raw, but his potential is extraordinary.

I think your take on both are bang on. But I also get the take that in their current form, and in our current setup, they could be replaced without taking much away, as has been proven with other midfielders slotting in seamlessly when Gomes was missing. Also think any combination of 3 from our 4 senior centre backs would work too.

Move to a back 4, with less midfield protection, I think we miss Gomes's ball-winning ability more and Kilman's ability on the ball more.

You're right about potential too. If Gomes dropped a little weight and became more like an endurance athlete in stature, he'd could potentially get to Kante levels of ball-winning midfielder.

 

[Wolf 82]

Gomes is probably the best midfielder of his age in the Premier league already, it baffles me if people can't see the lad has something and hopefully will only get better.

Back to Cunha, there's no doubt we paid over the odds for him but that may have done us a favour in the long term. We won't sell him unless it's for a profit, the asking price is either gunna scare potential buyers away or we make a big fat profit... win, win.

Think he’s worth every penny tbh.. the one thing missing was his goal involvements, but that’s changed now.

A constant threat and everything we do goes through him.

 

[WolfLing]

Gomes is probably the best midfielder of his age in the Premier league already, it baffles me if people can't see the lad has something and hopefully will only get better.

Back to Cunha, there's no doubt we paid over the odds for him but that may have done us a favour in the long term. We won't sell him unless it's for a profit, the asking price is either gunna scare potential buyers away or we make a big fat profit... win, win.

As far as midfielders who can do the same roles, Caicedo, Lavia, Onana, Sarr, Danilo, Baleba and Gilmour all same age or younger. Some are ahead of him, some behind him in my opinion.

As far as midfielders in general go, Enzo Fernandez is 26 days older, Curtis Jones is 13 days older and Dominik Szoboszlai is 3 and a half months older.

I agree he's good, but I definitely don't think he's the best midfielder of his age in the PL.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

I dont see how we can have paid over the odds yet hes worth every penny and we will make a good profit on him if he goes?
Youve either made a big mistake or you have made a good deal it cant be both

 

[sillytuna]

Cunha is another player who looks better under GON. Love watching him play.

Well, he looks better with prem experience to be fair. It really does seem to take 6-12 months for many players. We could all see cunha was very talented but needed to play deeper.

 

[FJRWolf]

I dont see how we can have paid over the odds yet hes worth every penny and we will make a good profit on him if he goes?
Youve either made a big mistake or you have made a good deal it cant be both

I think he was overpriced when we bought him given his previous status and first half season for us. Since the start of this season his improvement in all areas has been brilliant, that's down to him and GON

 

[Achilles Last Stand]

Yeah agree, don't diss the Pitbull!!!

Perhaps he meant TOTI Gomes?

 

[FJRWolf]

As far as midfielders who can do the same roles, Caicedo, Lavia, Onana, Sarr, Danilo, Baleba and Gilmour all same age or younger. Some are ahead of him, some behind him in my opinion.

As far as midfielders in general go, Enzo Fernandez is 26 days older, Curtis Jones is 13 days older and Dominik Szoboszlai is 3 and a half months older.

I agree he's good, but I definitely don't think he's the best midfielder of his age in the PL.

Not sure any of those have been better than Gomes this season, Curtis Jones is a different type of player imo.
Don't get me wrong he's not the finished article yet. I know as Wolves fans we often over estimate our own players but I think Gomes goes under the radar a bit. There's no doubt his performances have been helped by playing next to Lemina who has been fabulous for us.

 

[Streathamwolf]

View attachment 39816

View attachment 39817

Comparison in “values”.

Chelsea taking the absolute **** with their valuation.

I don't care what this site says, he was worth every penny and IF he went up for sale we could expect upwards of £60M for opening bids.

 

[steve vena]

Class act is Matheus,on and off the pitch.

 

[Jefe]

He's looking like an excellent find by Julen Lopetegui.

 

[WolfLing]

Not sure any of those have been better than Gomes this season, Curtis Jones is a different type of player imo.
Don't get me wrong he's not the finished article yet. I know as Wolves fans we often over estimate our own players but I think Gomes goes under the radar a bit. There's no doubt his performances have been helped by playing next to Lemina who has been fabulous for us.

Maybe in terms of current form.

But there's a reason Caicedo was signed for a ridiculous fee by Chelsea, because he reached levels for Brighton that Gomes hasn't got anywhere near to yet.

And you're right, Lemina makes a huge difference. I remember when we signed him, Southampton fans saying he does one or two things a game that make you think he's World Class, then for the rest of the time he's awful. If anything, I haven't seen any of that yet. He must have matured a lot since his Bournemouth days, as he is so consistent, a great leader and probably my favourite player!

 

[theweave]

He's looking like an excellent find by Julen Lopetegui.

Just a shame the other 10 players aren't up to prem standard according to Julen

 

[Premier Quality]

Class act ? More of a show pony


100% this!! I’d trust Sarabia with Fabio & Neto over Cunha

Cunha and Nunes are two id be trying to sell on

Two very very expensive luxury players for our position

Made me laugh as I clicked through the thread!

 

[Fenrir_]

Maybe in terms of current form.

But there's a reason Caicedo was signed for a ridiculous fee by Chelsea, because he reached levels for Brighton that Gomes hasn't got anywhere near to yet.

And you're right, Lemina makes a huge difference. I remember when we signed him, Bournemouth fans saying he does one or two things a game that make you think he's World Class, then for the rest of the time he's awful. If anything, I haven't seen any of that yet. He must have matured a lot since his Bournemouth days, as he is so consistent, a great leader and probably my favourite player!

Southampton fans...

Bournemouth had Lerma

 

[WolfLing]

Southampton fans...

Bournemouth had Lerma

Sorry, yeah, Southampton. Not sure why I wrote Bournemouth!

 

[brianm]

As far as midfielders who can do the same roles, Caicedo, Lavia, Onana, Sarr, Danilo, Baleba and Gilmour all same age or younger. Some are ahead of him, some behind him in my opinion.

As far as midfielders in general go, Enzo Fernandez is 26 days older, Curtis Jones is 13 days older and Dominik Szoboszlai is 3 and a half months older.

I agree he's good, but I definitely don't think he's the best midfielder of his age in the PL.

I think there's a good chance I want Gomes aged 25 over any of those players, honestly. Enzo and Caicedo in particular I think are early developers who are close to their ceiling. I don't like their athletic profiles anywhere near as much. Chelsea were absolutely bloody imbeciles paying what they did.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Incredibly cold and pretty reputation damaging for you take on Gomes.

Really strange.

I was referring to Toti Gomes? Not Joao Gomes......

My point was that Kilman and Toti (for the sake of confusion) really aren't that good and both would struggle in a 4. They've done well this season but if we got two good fees for both and reinvested it properly then we'd be absolutely fine. I'd be more concerned about losing others.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

I was referring to Toti Gomes? Not Joao Gomes......

My point was that Kilman and Toti (for the sake of confusion) really aren't that good and both would struggle in a 4. They've done well this season but if we got two good fees for both and reinvested it properly then we'd be absolutely fine. I'd be more concerned about losing others.

Now it makes more sense Still think they are both pretty decent Premier League defenders though.

Must admit, I don't get the obsession with a back four. Ok, it allows you to play an extra midfielder and in theory help you have more possession but I don't get the obsession with that either. We are playing some lovely attacking football as well as being more solid at the back playing a 5 so how will switching to a 4 improve us?

 

[mroli74]

I think we do largely play with a back 4 in attack anyway. RAN pushes up and Toti slides across.