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Good day for our players in Europe shame most are going to be out, mosquera comes on grabs a goal , he's going to be starting next year or looks very likely to be, although I think he's more gomes competition with Santi Bueno fighting out with Dawson and kilman.

Podence if he carries on Olympiacos buy him a goal and two assists , greek journo says they have an option, but could still go out at this stage to maccib

Silva out of Europe unfortunately too
 
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Thursday 14th March

Bendeguz Bolla played 81 mins as Servette drew 0-0 with Plzen. However they lost 3-1 on penalties

Trailing 4-1 after the first leg Olympiacos staged a great comeback beating Maccabi Tel Aviv 6-1 away from home. Daniel Podence was heavily involved playing 103 mins, scoring once, assisting twice and getting booked.

Yerson Mosquera came on for the final 40 mins, scored and was booked as Villarreal exited the Europa League losing 3-1 on the night to Marseille
 
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Saturday 17th March

Justin Hubner can’t be selected for Cerezo Osaka just yet as they are still finalising paperwork. It’s likely he will play from the end of March. His team moved up to 3rd with a 2-0 win

Ki Jana Hoever played90 mins and Luke Cundle came on for the final 19 as Stoke lost 3-0 at home to Norwich

Joe Hodge played 27 mins as QPR drew 0-0 away at Sunderland

Nigel Lonwijk played 90 mins and Chem Campbell was an unused sub as Wycombe beat Northampton 2-0 at home. Louie Moulden played 90 mins for Northampton but should have done better with both goals… certainly the second


Dexter Lembikisa came on for the final 33 mins as Hearts lost 2-1 away at Ross County

Joe Young played 90 mins as ten man Buxton lost 2-0 at home to South Shields

Owen Farmer played 90 mins as Rushall lost 2-1 away at Kings Lynn

Chiquinho played the final 27 mins as Famalicao drew 0-0 vs Estrela

No Owen Hesketh for Kidderminster or Ethan McLeod for Alvechurch
 
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giantwolf said:
Saturday 17th March

Justin Hubner can’t be selected for Cerezo Osaka just yet as they are still finalising paperwork. It’s likely he will play from the end of March. His team moved up to 3rd with a 2-0 win

Ki Jana Hoever played90 mins and Luke Cundle came on for the final 19 as Stoke lost 3-0 at home to Norwich

Joe Hodge played 27 mins as QPR drew 0-0 away at Sunderland

Nigel Lonwijk played 90 mins and Chem Campbell was an unused sub as Wycombe beat Northampton 2-0 at home. Louie Moulden played 90 mins for Northampton but should have done better with both goals… certainly the second


Dexter Lembikisa came on for the final 33 mins as Hearts lost 2-1 away at Ross County

Joe Young played 90 mins as ten man Buxton lost 2-0 at home to South Shields

Owen Farmer played 90 mins as Rushall lost 2-1 away at Kings Lynn

Chiquinho played the final 27 mins as Famalicao drew 0-0 vs Estrela

No Owen Hesketh for Kidderminster or Ethan McLeod for Alvechurch
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Thanks for your diligence in continuing to update us. I always look for this thread and am often disappointed that our lads aren't doing better, but enjoy reading it, nonetheless.
 
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Disappointing for Louie Moulden. He can do better than that and here's hoping he learns from it.
 
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Looks like fairly disappointing loan spells for Hesketh and McLeod so far.
 
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Tuesday 19th March

Joe Young played 90 mins and conceded a penalty for which he was booked as Buxton lost 3-2 away at Blyth

No Ethan McLeod for Alvechurch
 
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Saturday 24th March

Clean sheet & 90 mins for Louie Moulden as Northampton beat Derby 1-0 at home

Harry Birtwhistle came on in the 52nd minute and was booked as Oxford City lost 2-1 away at AFC Flyde. That result confirms Oxford City’s relegation from the National League

Owen Hesketh was an unused sub as Kidderminster drew 1-2 away at Wealdstone

Owen Farmer scored as Rushall beat relegation rivals Darlington 3-2 at home

Joe Young played 90 mins as Buxton drew 2-2 away at Southport

No Ethan McLeod for Alvechurch
 
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Friday 29th March

Ki Jana Hoever played 90 mins and scored in injury time as Stoke beat Hull 2-0 away. Luke Cundle played 71 mins

Goal From 5:33.

Joe Hodge was once again an unused substitute for QPR as they beat Birmingham City 2-1 at home

Louie Moulden made his 12th appearance for Northampton as they lost 1-0 away at Reading

Nigel Lonwijk played 90 mins and Chem Campbell 26 from the bench as Wycombe lost 3-1 at home to Portsmouth

Harry Birthwhistle came on for the final 25 mins as already relegated Oxford Coty got their first win in 12 games beating Wealdstone 1-0

Owen Farmer came on for the final 13 mins as Rushall lost 1-0 away at Alfreton

74 mins, a goal and a booking for Chiquinho as Famalicao won 2-1 away at Gil Vicente (see @NothingButNeto ’s post above for the goal)

No Owen Hesketh for Kidderminster or Joe Young for Buxton who is injured
 
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Okay, the result today didn't go our way, but with youth from our own academy being given a chance to shine (at last) all of our on loan players should be able to see that with GON they're in with a chance during preseason.

Hopefully it will give them all an incentive to pull up trees for their loan clubs during the run in to the end of season.

That way this (one of the best) thread will be even more of a celebration of our future talents and our academy players will get more loan options next season.
 
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Madmalc said:
Okay, the result today didn't go our way, but with youth from our own academy being given a chance to shine (at last) all of our on loan players should be able to see that with GON they're in with a chance during preseason.

Hopefully it will give them all an incentive to pull up trees for their loan clubs during the run in to the end of season.

That way this (one of the best) thread will be even more of a celebration of our future talents and our academy players will get more loan options next season.
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The sad reality is that the vast majority of our Academy players won't make it at PL level and many won't make it at EFL level either. While l admire your sentiments we have to be realistic.
 
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Madmalc said:
Okay, the result today didn't go our way, but with youth from our own academy being given a chance to shine (at last) all of our on loan players should be able to see that with GON they're in with a chance during preseason.

Hopefully it will give them all an incentive to pull up trees for their loan clubs during the run in to the end of season.

That way this (one of the best) thread will be even more of a celebration of our future talents and our academy players will get more loan options next season.
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All for youth players but were they better than say cundle or Fabio
 
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How the **** do you know?
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Because our Academy didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere and is not the only one in existence. Precedent tells you all that you need to know. That's why the club stresses the importance of education to all of the youngsters.

Why the swearing? My post was hardly controversial.
 
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Prestatynwolf said:
How the **** do you know?
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That is the norm at all the top tier academies. Players who are not likely to make it as a pro, receive regular education in parallel with their training so they have a fall back should they not make it. That’s the great majority of players in academies. Most of the minority who are offered pro contracts, don’t make it to the first team at their club, and eventually move on to another club. Louie Moulden for instance - made the cut and offered a pro contract at Man City when he came through their academy, was loaned out to a few non league clubs to get experience, and eventually sold to Wolves without making it to the Man City senior squad.

To provide a sense of how tiny the number who make it are, here is a quote from playerscout:-

The stats are not good reading:

For all the boys joining a pro academy at 9 years old, 0.5% will make even a career out of football.

Thats the players already in a pro academy. Now if you take the 1.5 million youth players currently playing in England, only 180 will develop and play in the Premier League.

That is a 0.012% chance of making it.

Do Academy Players Get Paid? 6 Facts about Youth Player Wages (2020)

Stay up to date with the latest on youth player wages. Discover all about football academy finances and how clubs keep young players grounded.
playerscout.co.uk playerscout.co.uk
 
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WickedWolfie said:
Because our Academy didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere and is not the only one in existence. Precedent tells you all that you need to know. That's why the club stresses the importance of education to all of the youngsters.

Why the swearing? My post was hardly controversial.
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You still can't predict if the current crop are gonna make it
 
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Sussex Wolf said:
That is the norm at all the top tier academies. Players who are not likely to make it as a pro, receive regular education in parallel with their training so they have a fall back should they not make it. That’s the great majority of players in academies. Most of the minority who are offered pro contracts, don’t make it to the first team at their club, and eventually move on to another club. Louie Moulden for instance - made the cut and offered a pro contract at Man City when he came through their academy, was loaned out to a few non league clubs to get experience, and eventually sold to Wolves without making it to the Man City senior squad.

To provide a sense of how tiny the number who make it are, here is a quote from playerscout:-

The stats are not good reading:

For all the boys joining a pro academy at 9 years old, 0.5% will make even a career out of football.

Thats the players already in a pro academy. Now if you take the 1.5 million youth players currently playing in England, only 180 will develop and play in the Premier League.

That is a 0.012% chance of making it.

Do Academy Players Get Paid? 6 Facts about Youth Player Wages (2020)

Stay up to date with the latest on youth player wages. Discover all about football academy finances and how clubs keep young players grounded.
playerscout.co.uk playerscout.co.uk
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Doesn't matter what the stats are,he still can't say whether or not our current academy players are gonna make it simple as
 
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Prestatynwolf said:
You still can't predict if the current crop are gonna make it
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No of course not, but the odds are against it. That’s not a poor reflection on the players, just the statistics. You can say you don’t care about the stats, but that doesn’t change the likely outcome.

For a more personal insight. My daughter is a physio at Boro’s academy, which is a Cat 1 academy like ours. She’s been to most of the top academies in the couple of years she’s worked there, done her ITMIF at St George’s Park, and has a good network across the top academies. She sees great players move up through the different tiers, but she knows that even the best are unlikely to make it into the senior squad. I mentioned Louie, because she knows him from when she was doing a Masters placement at Gloucester when he was there on loan. He was one of Man City’s top goalkeepers at an academy level then, and already on a pro contract. Despite that, even then he knew he would likely need to move from City when his academy contract reached its end. Very level headed lad, helped by his dad being an ex pro. She’s off to Poland next month where Boro’s academy will be playing against a group of academies from across Europe. Juve won it last time and will be defending their trophy. Liverpool, Everton, Sporting and Benfica will be there amongst others.
 
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Sussex Wolf said:
No of course not, but the odds are against it. That’s not a poor reflection on the players, just the statistics. You can say you don’t care about the stats, but that doesn’t change the likely outcome.

For a more personal insight. My daughter is a physio at Boro’s academy, which is a Cat 1 academy like ours. She’s been to most of the top academies in the couple of years she’s worked there, done her ITMIF at St George’s Park, and has a good network across the top academies. She sees great players move up through the different tiers, but she knows that even the best are unlikely to make it into the senior squad. I mentioned Louie, because she knows him from when she was doing a Masters placement at Gloucester when he was there on loan. He was one of Man City’s top goalkeepers at an academy level then, and already on a pro contract. Despite that, even then he knew he would likely need to move from City when his academy contract reached its end. Very level headed lad, helped by his dad being an ex pro. She’s off to Poland next month where Boro’s academy will be playing against a group of academies from across Europe. Juve won it last time and will be defending their trophy. Liverpool, Everton, Sporting and Benfica will be there amongst others.
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Fair enough,my reply was originally to op but I still don't think Any of you can straight write them off and with all due respect she can't possibly know who I'd gonna make it sorry.
 
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Prestatynwolf said:
Fair enough,my reply was originally to op but I still don't think Any of you can straight write them off and with all due respect she can't possibly know who I'd gonna make it sorry.
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No one said which specific players would or wouldn’t make it, however based on a long history of statistics as outlined above on earlier posts and frankly in her case, first hand experience from herself and her colleagues, we know that the vast majority won’t, which is exactly what the first post you replied to said

Anyway… this is a discussion best suited for the u18s/u21s thread
 
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