Ivan Toney (oh dear!)

[Ned]

He can also appeal so won't start any ban this season I reckon.

Not sure that would be a good move or that he would bother. What he wants is the ban to span over the summer and if Brentford are fine (which they are this season) it’s almost the perfect time to start the ban asap.

 

[JOSWolf]

Oh well. One silver lining is I will be putting him in my fantasy team this week.

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

Not sure that would be a good move or that he would bother. What he wants is the ban to span over the summer and if Brentford are fine (which they are this season) it’s almost the perfect time to start the ban asap.

That is quite true what berk thought a football ban should also apply when you're not playing. It's like having a life sentence for murder but only having to serve it while you're asleep at night.

 

[Ned]

That is quite true what berk thought a football ban should also apply when you're not playing. It's like having a life sentence for murder but only having to serve it while you're asleep at night.

Hahaha. It’s crazy. You’re banned from playing football when there isn’t any football to be played.

I wonder when the outcome will be announced. He’s apparently been cooperating with the investigation which says he admitted guilt when all this came about at the start of the season - it’s baffling that it’s still ongoing.

 

[Ned]

Another question:

If it’s the FA issuing the ban/fine or whatever, is there anything stopping Brentford from loaning him abroad for the season, getting a small fee and having his wages paid?

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

The ban will be in effect this season if there's any danger Brentford could finish above Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea. Or indeed look likely to qualify for Europe.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Another question:

If it’s the FA issuing the ban/fine or whatever, is there anything stopping Brentford from loaning him abroad for the season, getting a small fee and having his wages paid?

He would need international clearance from the FA to their overseas counterpart.....

 

[Jefe]

From a selfish perspective, it is galling that this is only now moving forward when Brentford are as few as two games away from the 40 point mark. Had Toney been suspended in November like he should have, they'd undoubtedly be in the relegation mix. Hasn't he scored half of their goals or something? A ban starting in April would be absurd - it has to be from the beginning of next season.

 

[Axle]

From a selfish perspective, it is galling that this is only now moving forward when Brentford are as few as two games away from the 40 point mark. Had Toney been suspended in November like he should have, they'd undoubtedly be in the relegation mix. Hasn't he scored half of their goals or something? A ban starting in April would be absurd - it has to be from the beginning of next season.

It will be from the beginning of the season.

2028

 

[JadeWolf]

From a selfish perspective, it is galling that this is only now moving forward when Brentford are as few as two games away from the 40 point mark. Had Toney been suspended in November like he should have, they'd undoubtedly be in the relegation mix. Hasn't he scored half of their goals or something? A ban starting in April would be absurd - it has to be from the beginning of next season.

Totally agree, seems very unfair that he’s been allowed to carry on playing and earning them points whilst he’s effectively committed serious offences.

 

[tonto]

Totally agree, seems very unfair that he’s been allowed to carry on playing and earning them points whilst he’s effectively committed serious offences.

He is guilty so an immediate ban for the rest of the season should have been imposed then the full length decided later. No excuses

 

[Geordie Wolf]

Apparently the suspension won't start immediately and Toney has told his friends he'll be available for Brentford's 1-1 draw with Fulham next Monday!



(Shamelessly stolen from Twitter!)

 

[Streathamwolf]

Football is firmly in gambling’s grip as it hypocritically clamps down on Ivan Toney | Rob Davies

The Brentford striker faces a lengthy suspension but bookmakers own some clubs and sponsor the shirts of others

www.theguardian.com

The whole of football is guilty of being in cahoots with the gambling industry. The gambling ads are everywhere, plus ownership of clubs. Needs to change but I doubt it will.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Football is firmly in gambling’s grip as it hypocritically clamps down on Ivan Toney | Rob Davies

The Brentford striker faces a lengthy suspension but bookmakers own some clubs and sponsor the shirts of others

www.theguardian.com

The whole of football is guilty of being in cahoots with the gambling industry. The gambling ads are everywhere, plus ownership of clubs. Needs to change but I doubt it will.

As we are reminded in the moments after the ad break before every Sky live game, with additional ad break for Sky Bet, and were reminded by large numbers of shirt sponsors for betting companies I’d never heard of!

 

[Streathamwolf]

As we are reminded in the moments after the ad break before every Sky live game, with additional ad break for Sky Bet, and were reminded by large numbers of shirt sponsors for betting companies I’d never heard of!

Precisely. The quote in the article from a betting firm: "You get to virtually own Liverpool for £4.5M a year" sums it up

 

[Watfordfc]

They are doing him a favour by only banning him for basically the last few weeks of the season and over the summer .

 

[Ned]

He is guilty so an immediate ban for the rest of the season should have been imposed then the full length decided later. No excuses

It’s shocking. He practically admitted guilt back in November by “fully cooperating with their investigation” so the fact that he’s still playing even now is just strange. It hasn’t effected us as a club directly but teams around us will feel massively aggrieved with the damage that he’s done to them in the meantime.

 

[Pagey]

Not sure that would be a good move or that he would bother. What he wants is the ban to span over the summer and if Brentford are fine (which they are this season) it’s almost the perfect time to start the ban asap.

Doubt he'll appeal, the odds are stacked against being successful

 

[Ned]

Doubt he'll appeal, the odds are stacked against being successful

He’s apparently annoyed that it’s leaked he is maybe getting a 6 month ban and wants his hearing first before anything else is leaked. I’d say a 6 month ban, when the ban is likely to be enforced will be a huge win for him and Brentford. He should probably keep quiet if there is any likely truth in that.

 

[Pagey]

He’s apparently annoyed that it’s leaked he is maybe getting a 6 month ban and wants his hearing first before anything else is leaked. I’d say a 6 month ban, when the ban is likely to be enforced will be a huge win for him and Brentford. He should probably keep quiet if there is any likely truth in that.

It's hard to find a balance to be fair. Punish the player for breaking rules, but not sure punishing Brentford when they've had no control over what's gone on is probably to far.

Im undecided whether it would have been wise for Brentford to suspend him straight away, get him some sort of counselling/help, when news first leaked and used that as a carrot to the FA to show they've acted. Not sure if that was possible contractually though.

Imagine where we'd be if that was the likes of Neves, missing for the rest of the season, maybe half off next?

 

[Wolf316]

It's hard to find a balance to be fair. Punish the player for breaking rules, but not sure punishing Brentford when they've had no control over what's gone on is probably to far.

Im undecided whether it would have been wise for Brentford to suspend him straight away, get him some sort of counselling/help, when news first leaked and used that as a carrot to the FA to show they've acted. Not sure if that was possible contractually though.

Imagine where we'd be if that was the likes of Neves, missing for the rest of the season, maybe half off next?

**** Brentford he’s their player so they should absolutely suffer the consequences of his actions.

 

[Ned]

It's hard to find a balance to be fair. Punish the player for breaking rules, but not sure punishing Brentford when they've had no control over what's gone on is probably to far.

Im undecided whether it would have been wise for Brentford to suspend him straight away, get him some sort of counselling/help, when news first leaked and used that as a carrot to the FA to show they've acted. Not sure if that was possible contractually though.

Imagine where we'd be if that was the likes of Neves, missing for the rest of the season, maybe half off next?

In fairness if you offered Brentford the chance to drag this on and have Toney scoring their goals and winning them points they would have taken it all day. They’ve benefitted from the FA dragging their heels more than anybody. **** them!!!

 

[Beastier]

**** Brentford he’s their player so they should absolutely suffer the consequences of his actions.

This will without question hurt Brentford if/when any ban kicks in. They are as depend on him for goals as much as we did Raul pre-injury and even with advance notice they'll have no chance of getting a replacement in anywhere near his level of quality.

As most posters have alluded to, even if he was banned from today they'd be fine for the rest of this season but next season will be a very different matter.

Agree with comments above that it's Toney's antics that should be punished and not his club but it's hard not to have a dislike for them and their manager with regards to how they conduct themselves.....the time-wasting at Molineux last season was a different level and Frank's conduct towards Moutinho in the return game was extremely poor as well as his antagonistic hand held aloft tapping his watch.

 

[topcat99]

They are doing him a favour by only banning him for basically the last few weeks of the season and over the summer .

The ban should be X amount of games rather than X amount of months

 

[Wolf316]

The ban should be X amount of games rather than X amount of months

You just know he’s going to get away with serving a big chunk of the ban when’s there’s no games.

 

[Bryce]

It’s shocking. He practically admitted guilt back in November by “fully cooperating with their investigation” so the fact that he’s still playing even now is just strange. It hasn’t effected us as a club directly but teams around us will feel massively aggrieved with the damage that he’s done to them in the meantime.

Also because of the investigation there was no way he was moving in the window giving Brentford another hidden advantage. Poxy club, poxy manager. Another club on my shyster list

He will get a token ban and a big move next January to Spurs to replace Kane or Chelsea to replace Lukaku

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

That is quite true what berk thought a football ban should also apply when you're not playing. It's like having a life sentence for murder but only having to serve it while you're asleep at night.

Are prisoners allowed out when asleep?

I didn't know that.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

They are doing him a favour by only banning him for basically the last few weeks of the season and over the summer .

They are doing Brentford a favour.

 

[Bryce]

Really sorry to bump this thread but Toney is really boiling my ****. How can somebody admit gambling irregularities in football and yet 1: not be banned and 2:still get selected for the national team?

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Really sorry to bump this thread but Toney is really boiling my ****. How can somebody admit gambling irregularities in football and yet 1: not be banned and 2:still get selected for the national team?

Before boiling all your urine, maybe wait until the irregularities are confirmed. Perhaps his "crimes" are deserving of a lenient punishment.

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

My suspicion is that what he’s (allegedly) been up to is rife in professional football and he’s pointed to lots of evidence of this. And in short the powers that be don’t really know how to tackle this, and fear any punishment they dish out to him they’ll need to dish out on a large scale.

 

[Bryce]

Before boiling all your urine, maybe wait until the irregularities are confirmed. Perhaps his "crimes" are deserving of a lenient punishment.

What 262 of them?
If it was that trivial surely it would have been dealt with quicker than this.
It’s not complicated
Rule-Don’t bet on football matches
Player-Places bets on football matches 262 times
Authorities find out
Player says what? I have betting Tourette’s and could help myself? I didn’t think it was wrong?

If it’s that trivial then don’t bother having the rule. Just for clarity the rule covers this.
Betting on football is banned worldwide for all players, managers, coaches, club staff, directors and licensed agents involved in the game within the Premier League, EFL, National League, Women's Super League, Women's Championship and the Northern, Southern and Isthmian leagues.

Participants covered by the ban are prohibited from betting, either directly or indirectly, on any football match or competition that takes place anywhere in the world.

The ban also includes betting on any other football-related matter such as the transfer of players, managerial appointments or team selection.

The passing of inside information to somebody that uses the information for betting is also not allowed. Inside information is information that you are aware of due to your position in the game and which is not publicly available, like injury or team selection news.

You are not allowed to use inside information to place a bet or to instruct someone else to do so on your behalf. Equally, you are not allowed to pass inside information on to someone else which they use for betting.

Nothing in that paragraph is trivial if you do it 262 times surely? It’s simple. If you’re involved in professional football you can’t place bets on football matches . Stick to the gee gees Ivan and no one would give a hoot.

 

[Bryce]

My suspicion is that what he’s (allegedly) been up to is rife in professional football and he’s pointed to lots of evidence of this. And in short the powers that be don’t really know how to tackle this, and fear any punishment they dish out to him they’ll need to dish out on a large scale.

Now that would make a lot of sense

 

[wolfslair]

So in the wokest England team of all time with a manager who is just a PR mouthpiece, with zero tactical ability, how on earth has someone who has a significant number of charges for breaching major rules around betting been allowed to get picked?

Someone needs to make this make sense.

Before some throws the “he made a final and semi finals…..” line at me, his runs have been against weak teams and very very few goals scored in open play. A good manager would have won that euros final.

 

[thommo1984]

the wokest England team of all time

Hahahahahahahhhahahahahahahhahaha

 

[SuperGran]

Hahahahahahahhhahahahahahahhahaha

Lost for words

 

[Beastier]

What 262 of them?
If it was that trivial surely it would have been dealt with quicker than this.
It’s not complicated
Rule-Don’t bet on football matches
Player-Places bets on football matches 262 times
Authorities find out
Player says what? I have betting Tourette’s and could help myself? I didn’t think it was wrong?

If it’s that trivial then don’t bother having the rule. Just for clarity the rule covers this.
Betting on football is banned worldwide for all players, managers, coaches, club staff, directors and licensed agents involved in the game within the Premier League, EFL, National League, Women's Super League, Women's Championship and the Northern, Southern and Isthmian leagues.

Participants covered by the ban are prohibited from betting, either directly or indirectly, on any football match or competition that takes place anywhere in the world.

The ban also includes betting on any other football-related matter such as the transfer of players, managerial appointments or team selection.

The passing of inside information to somebody that uses the information for betting is also not allowed. Inside information is information that you are aware of due to your position in the game and which is not publicly available, like injury or team selection news.

You are not allowed to use inside information to place a bet or to instruct someone else to do so on your behalf. Equally, you are not allowed to pass inside information on to someone else which they use for betting.

Nothing in that paragraph is trivial if you do it 262 times surely? It’s simple. If you’re involved in professional football you can’t place bets on football matches . Stick to the gee gees Ivan and no one would give a hoot.

The problem is the length of time between Toney being charged and how long it is taking for the case to be heard - especially given the charges are public knowledge.

Like it or not, at this moment in time he's not been proven guilty of anything and his career shouldn't be adversely impacted so long as this is the case.

In terms of him being picked for England, he's clearly playing well enough to warrant selection and at this moment in time there's no reason for Southgate to prejudice his selection (in fact from Southgate's perspective the easiest stance for him to take is not to get involved and be free to select him until such time the FA advise him not to).

 

[theweave]

The problem is the length of time between Toney being charged and how long it is taking for the case to be heard - especially given the charges are public knowledge.

Like it or not, at this moment in time he's not been proven guilty of anything and his career shouldn't be adversely impacted so long as this is the case.

In terms of him being picked for England, he's clearly playing well enough to warrant selection and at this moment in time there's no reason for Southgate to prejudice his selection (in fact from Southgate's perspective the easiest stance for him to take is not to get involved and be free to select him until such time the FA advise him not to).

He pleaded guilty

 

[Beastier]

He pleaded guilty

I thought he'd admitted some of the charges but not all and will still want to put his case across before any sentence is passed.

The whole situation does seem daft, but whilst he's still playing and not under suspension then I'd say Southgate can only judge him on his football.

 

[Wolf316]

The problem is the length of time between Toney being charged and how long it is taking for the case to be heard - especially given the charges are public knowledge.

Like it or not, at this moment in time he's not been proven guilty of anything and his career shouldn't be adversely impacted so long as this is the case.

In terms of him being picked for England, he's clearly playing well enough to warrant selection and at this moment in time there's no reason for Southgate to prejudice his selection (in fact from Southgate's perspective the easiest stance for him to take is not to get involved and be free to select him until such time the FA advise him not to).

Being cynical it’s dragging on so the majority of his ban will be in the closed season.