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Bawtry Wolf said:
I swear some people think that this panel just come to work each day and sit there on the off chance that someone needs a work permit who doesn’t meet the automatic criteria, that no paperwork is required, no arguments need to be prepared.

Player pitches up, club say go on give us a work permit, he’s a good player honest and play rock, paper, scissors for a work permit.

Of course we might be trying a BOGOF offer and doing Traore and Costa at the same time. The challenge would be if the panel decide to play jeopardy and give us only 1 work permit but we get to choose for which player.
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Aah, so it's not like that then!?
Learn something new every day!
 
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Elvis Wolf said:
This is beginning to drag on!
Apparently the bar for appeals has been raised quite a lot.
I'm usually optimistic but in this case, I fear the worst and all the hype will have come to nothing !
REALLY hope I'm proved wrong!!!
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It hasn't gone to appeals, he hasn't been denied a work permit, he does however have extenuating circumstances to allow him a permit which would have been highlighted on application.

Due to this it goes to a panel (not appeals panel) to decide if the circumstances are genuine enough to warrant the permit's clearance. If they say no, THEN it goes to appeal and will likely fail.
 
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sedgwolf1980 said:
Can someone more in the know than me explain how the like of that tosspot who did the dirty on us to sign for Arsenal after playing for about 36 minutes his entire career and unlikely to hardly ever get a game for Arsenal can come over from Brazil absolutely fine. Yet one of the most famous strikers of the last decade can’t get in?

Laughable if so.
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Quite simply, he's made more appearances over the last couple of years. I think alarm bells should be ringing over the fact he doesn't automatically qualify anymore myself. The bar is really low.
 
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I am a little confused…what kind of country will not grant a work permit to a foreign owner who has invested hundreds of millions into uk for an elite international footballer with a pedigree like Costa who is wanted by a premier league team.? What about accountants, lawyers , doctors nurses ? This is absurd even for a third world country.
 
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smith said:
I am a little confused…what kind of country will not grant a work permit to a foreign owner who has invested hundreds of millions into uk for an elite international footballer with a pedigree like Costa who is wanted by a premier league team.? What about accountants, lawyers , doctors nurses ? This is absurd even for a third world country.
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smith said:
I am a little confused…what kind of country will not grant a work permit to a foreign owner who has invested hundreds of millions into uk for an elite international footballer with a pedigree like Costa who is wanted by a premier league team.? What about accountants, lawyers , doctors nurses ? This is absurd even for a third world country.
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We need to correct the thinking, not trying to target you on this post.

They have not, rejected him for a work permit.

If after the appeal they say no, then lets unleash the fury and say some of these comments.

The FA have specific rules for work permit applications for foreign nationals, if you dont meet the 15 points automatically you wont get a work permit. In the instance of the player being between 10-15 points, its then heard by the exceptions panel, who will decide if they grant a work permit.

Basically didn't meet initial criteria, now put your case forward why.

Thats all, he was always never going to meet the criteria, guess what LAGE didnt either, but was still granted a permit.

Until the outcome of the exceptions panel and hearing has been communicated we cant say anything, they will have to argue a case and application why he should be granted a permit. This has to focus around why he hasn't got the 15 points needed. It can be argued he was without a club for 9 months and therefore hasnt got the minutes played, if he was at a club he would have and would have passed the automatic test.

They are confident as they were with Lage that he will pass.

Its journalists jumping on it for a story and getting clicks and likes, what they are paid for, mind you.
 
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To be honest it must be hard to make a case for a work permit for a player who know other club has wanted to sign on a free since January.
Doesn’t exactly scream elite worker does it.
 
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Minimalist said:
To be honest it must be hard to make a case for a work permit for a player who know other club has wanted to sign on a free since January.
Doesn’t exactly scream elite worker does it.
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Dont need to argue anything about why no one wants him, just why he didnt meet the 15 points.
 
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Northampton_wolf said:
We need to correct the thinking, not trying to target you on this post.

They have not, rejected him for a work permit.

If after the appeal they say no, then lets unleash the fury and say some of these comments.

The FA have specific rules for work permit applications for foreign nationals, if you dont meet the 15 points automatically you will get a work permit. In the instance of the player being between 10-15 points, its then heard by the exceptions panel, who will decide if the grant a work permit.

Basically didnt meet initial criteria, now put your case forward why.

Thats all, he was always never going to meet the criteria, guess what LAGE didnt either, but was still granted a permit.

Until the outcome of the exceptions panel and hearing has been communicated we cant say anything, they will have to argue a case and application why he should be granted a permit. This has to focus around why he hasnt got the 15 points needed. It can be argued he was without a club for 9 months and therefore hasnt got the minutes played, if he was at a club he would have and would have passed the automatic test.

They are confident as they were with Lage that he will pass.

Its journalists jumping on it for a story and getting clicks and likes, what they are paid for, mind you.
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You are obviously correct …but in third world countries work permits are often tied to foreign investment and skills to protect employment of local nationals . This however is not like that …the bar is set high by the EPL so that uk players who are good enough are at a premium and are grossly overpaid. In cricket only one overseas per county …but you can get a permit for club cricket. The bar has been raised by football authorities and became possible because of Brexit . It is not an immigration policy to stop foreign investors investing millions employing skilled professionals earning millions. What kind of country allows that ?
 
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Minimalist said:
To be honest it must be hard to make a case for a work permit for a player who know other club has wanted to sign on a free since January.
Doesn’t exactly scream elite worker does it.
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Rayo Vallacano wanted him.
 
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smith said:
You are obviously correct …but in third world countries work permits are often tied to foreign investment and skills to protect employment of local nationals . This however is not like that …the bar is set high by the EPL so that uk players who are good enough are at a premium and are grossly overpaid. In cricket only one overseas per county …but you can get a permit for club cricket. The bar has been raised by football authorities and became possible because of Brexit . It is not an immigration policy to stop foreign investors investing millions employing skilled professionals earning millions. What kind of country allows that ?
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Cricket wise, i have played cricket for a long time up to england u15s, etc. Its actually bloody hard to get permits for them through the home office, even 8 years ago pre bexit. Getting a work permit for an aussie for our club was a nighmare took 3 months. He couldnt play, was on a travel visa. Even when proving his employment and part time bar job.

But again you have a very much valid point in regard to other countries linking it to investment and what they will bring to the country, and its signed off and done very quickly.

If costa went to turkey it would be a very quick deal.
 
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Northampton_wolf said:
Dont need to argue anything about why no one wants him, just why he didnt meet the 15 points.
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But wouldn’t he have met those points had he been playing?
If he was injured that would be a good reason not to have accrued the points.
But as it is he simply hasn’t found a club, which doesn’t make much of a case.

For what it’s worth I suspect he’ll get the permit anyway.
 
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Minimalist said:
But wouldn’t he have met those points had he been playing?
If he was injured that would be a good reason not to have accrued the points.
But as it is he simply hasn’t found a club, which doesn’t make much of a case.

For what it’s worth I suspect he’ll get the permit anyway.
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Correct he would have met the points if he was playing, ie had a team to play with, if we look back at 24 months, we can also see that he was injured for Atletico.

They will argue i would have thought that if he was not unemployed that easily he would have met the minutes played to get the 2 other points required, believe he got 13.

You can then prove this from previous PL experience, la liga experience, international appearances and champions league.

Its also not like hes 40 , hes 33.
 
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I am a little confused…what kind of country will not grant a work permit to a foreign owner who has invested hundreds of millions into uk for an elite international footballer with a pedigree like Costa who is wanted by a premier league team.? What about accountants, lawyers , doctors nurses ? This is absurd even for a third world country.
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Just part of the economically suicidal strange of the government of blocking huge economic drivers of growth.
 
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Just for those who are interested how the process works

The club will be notified of the identity of the Panel Members and have the opportunity to challenge the appointment of any Panel Member on the basis of an actual or perceived conflict of interest. Each Panel Member shall also have the opportunity to declare an actual or perceived conflict of interest (of him or herself or any other Panel Member) to the Chair or, if the conflict of interest relates to the Chair, to The FA. The Chair, or The FA respectively, shall then determine whether the Panel Member should be excluded from participating in the application. If the Panel Member is excluded from participating in the application, The FA will appoint a replacement Panel Member (to whom this paragraph shall also apply).

49. The Exceptions Panel can request any further information from The FA’s Player Status Department, the applicant club or any third party (via The FA’s Player Status Department) that it deems necessary, in its absolute discretion, in order to make its decision. If an Exceptions Panel meeting has been convened or is in progress when a request for further information is made, the Chair may adjourn the meeting to allow the information to be gathered. Where it is able to do so, the applicant club or The FA’s Player Status Department will supply the further information to the Exceptions Panel within a reasonable timescale.

50. The Exceptions Panel shall only recommend to The FA that a GBE be granted if it is satisfied that either:

a. exceptional circumstances prevented the Player from achieving 15 points, and if those exceptional circumstances did not apply, the Player would have achieved 15 points; or

b. the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England and justify the Exceptions Panel recommending that a GBE be awarded.


51. The Exceptions Panel will make its decision, based on the papers submitted to it, at an inperson or virtual meeting at which The FA’s Player Status Department will provide appropriate secretarial support. Each Panel Member has one vote and the decision will be made by a simple majority, with the chair having a casting vote.

52. If the Exceptions Panel recommends to The FA that a GBE be granted, The FA will consider whether to grant a GBE (but is under no obligation to do so).


53. Written reasons for the decision will be supplied by the Exceptions Panel to the applicant club. Written reasons will also be provided to the relevant league Stakeholder with a redacted copy provided (on a confidential basis) to all Stakeholders.
 

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There's not a hope in hell that a player who's not played or trained with a professional team in 8 months is going to appear in a Premier League game. Or there really shouldn't be.
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Will barely be ready for a month most likely. Maybe few mins off the bench at most
 
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really hope we get him...he will be so revved up for one last chance to prove he can cut it...esp in the prem
 
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Northampton_wolf said:
Getting a work permit for an aussie for our club was a nighmare took 3 months. He couldnt play, was on a travel visa. Even when proving his employment and part time bar job.
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Sounds like the same rules the Aussies apply to English players, because it would take up a place for a young Australian...as such, they are as rare as hen's teeth and nothing like as reciprocal with the chances we give their players over here to learn our pitches and then come and beat us.
I've never understood the need for it anymore in club cricket, and i'm not convinced we should do it in County cricket anymore if we want to give our Test team the best chance of beating Australia.
 
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Sounds like the same rules the Aussies apply to English players, because it would take up a place for a young Australian...as such, they are as rare as hen's teeth and nothing like as reciprocal with the chances we give their players over here to learn our pitches and then come and beat us.
I've never understood the need for it anymore in club cricket, and i'm not convinced we should do it in County cricket anymore if we want to give our Test team the best chance of beating Australia.
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A lower quality young English player, so better English players don't improve their skills then
 
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