Diego Costa

[Wonder Boyo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567082913820196864

Think this was expected but also that an appeal would be successful. Time will tell. Tick tock.

 

[Matt]

Think this was expected but also that an appeal would be successful. Time will tell. Tick tock.

Fingers crossed!

 

[JamesWolves]

Now laws of FM dicate on appeal it usually gets accepted ....

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

How long does an appeal take? I thought he'd made the points...

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I'd love it, just love it (Keegan 1996), if Hwang proves to be the saviour of our season.

Out of darkness etc etc.

+1, especially after the BS on Saturday

 

[JOSWolf]

Squeaky bum time then. Knowing our luck the buggers will reject the appeal. Only just misses out as well

 

[JOSWolf]

How often do appeals succeed?

 

[SquaddieWolf]

Like someone else said earlier if it was a Sky 6 team the appeal would have no problem at all, but I can see us getting no favours as usual.

 

[Wolves Heathen]

I would have thought he wont even be allowed through immigration without a work permit, even if he gets a tourist visa he is not allowed to do any kind of work while on the tourist visa and going through a medical should not theoretically be allowed, so basically if he shows up at Compton he will already have a work permit.

 

[SquaddieWolf]

How often do appeals succeed?

Depends whose appealing

 

[SquaddieWolf]

I would have thought he wont even be allowed through immigration without a work permit, even if he gets a tourist visa he is not allowed to do any kind of work while on the tourist visa and going through a medical should not theoretically be allowed, so basically if he shows up at Compton he will already have a work permit.

But he wouldn't be getting paid to do a medical so technically not working

 

[Cousins78]

How long does an appeal take? I thought he'd made the points...

Prob know by end of the day

 

[wolfgar]

I can’t see why a player as successful as Costa, that has been a top player in the premier league and across Europe for years would be denied a work permit. Would be utterly daft IMV

 

[WolfLing]

How often do appeals succeed?

Not a straightforward question!!

Under the old system.....

1. Roughly 50% of all non-EEA players joined clubs via the appeals panel;
2. 79% of all appeals were successful;
3. 55% of non-EEA players who joined Premier League clubs played fewer than the league average number of minutes; and
4. Only 58% of players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.

But under this system, it was deemed that too many sub-elite ‘foreigners’ were able to play in the UK, thus blocking English player pathways through to the first team.

When the new system was brought in, Greg Dyke was keen to stress that, "The new system will make it far easier for us to identify and attract top quality players that truly are at the elite level, and it will make it far tougher for those who don’t meet the quality standard to get to play in Britain."

On this basis, even the appeals process is points driven now.

If the automatic criteria mentioned above is not met, the player can request that an appeals body (called the Exceptions Panel) considers the player’s experience and value to decide whether the player should nonetheless be allowed to join the club.

The appeals process is a points based system under which the panel will award points depending on the circumstances of the transfer. If a player scores four points or more, the panel may recommend that the application is granted. Nonetheless, the panel can still reject the application even if four or more points are scored.

Criteria	Points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	3 points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	2 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club	3 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club	2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League[3] and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point

If the player does not meet the above points based system review, there is a secondary examination under which if the player scores 5 points or more, the panel may recommend that an application is granted. Points can be scored if, for example, the player has played in the final qualification rounds of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes. The review at this stage is more flexible meaning that the panel can take into account the circumstances if no transfer fee is payable (perhaps because the player has reached the end of his contract) or if the player satisfies some but not all of the automatic criteria.

If the player fails to score 5 points or more, there is one final review stage during which further arguments can be made if there are extenuating circumstances that are beyond the control of the player or national association (for example, a long term injury or suspension that has prevented the player from appearing in the last year).

So what does all that mean?

Costa will probably fail to get the 4 points required at the first appeal stage. He will probably get 3 out of 4 points, as he will probably be in our top 25% of earners here.

He will struggle to get a 4th point as he won't tick off any of the other criteria (he played 775 minutes and 30% of all league minutes is 1026).

But that's when the argument and 'extenuating circumstances' comes into play and the argument that he would probably have ticked off those minutes is he hadn't had been injured.

I think he will get a work permit. If it was some obscure Brazilian who had never played in the PL, I think we would struggle. But because of his PL history, the powers that be will want Costa here, so I think the wheels will be greased to make it happen!

 

[Cuban Wolf]

Rumour had it, it was the Sky 6 defenders, asking both the FA and the Home Office not to grant the work permit;-)

 

[SuperGran]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567090318008360962

 

[SquaddieWolf]

Not a straightforward question!!

Under the old system.....

1. Roughly 50% of all non-EEA players joined clubs via the appeals panel;
2. 79% of all appeals were successful;
3. 55% of non-EEA players who joined Premier League clubs played fewer than the league average number of minutes; and
4. Only 58% of players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.

But under this system, it was deemed that too many sub-elite ‘foreigners’ were able to play in the UK, thus blocking English player pathways through to the first team.

When the new system was brought in, Greg Dyke was keen to stress that, "The new system will make it far easier for us to identify and attract top quality players that truly are at the elite level, and it will make it far tougher for those who don’t meet the quality standard to get to play in Britain."

On this basis, even the appeals process is points driven now.

If the automatic criteria mentioned above is not met, the player can request that an appeals body (called the Exceptions Panel) considers the player’s experience and value to decide whether the player should nonetheless be allowed to join the club.

The appeals process is a points based system under which the panel will award points depending on the circumstances of the transfer. If a player scores four points or more, the panel may recommend that the application is granted. Nonetheless, the panel can still reject the application even if four or more points are scored.

Criteria	Points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	3 points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	2 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club	3 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club	2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League[3] and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point

If the player does not meet the above points based system review, there is a secondary examination under which if the player scores 5 points or more, the panel may recommend that an application is granted. Points can be scored if, for example, the player has played in the final qualification rounds of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes. The review at this stage is more flexible meaning that the panel can take into account the circumstances if no transfer fee is payable (perhaps because the player has reached the end of his contract) or if the player satisfies some but not all of the automatic criteria.

If the player fails to score 5 points or more, there is one final review stage during which further arguments can be made if there are extenuating circumstances that are beyond the control of the player or national association (for example, a long term injury or suspension that has prevented the player from appearing in the last year).

So what does all that mean?

Costa will probably fail to get the 4 points required at the first appeal stage. He will probably get 3 out of 4 points, as he will probably be in our top 25% of earners here.

He will struggle to get a 4th point as he won't tick off any of the other criteria (he played 775 minutes and 30% of all league minutes is 1026).

But that's when the argument and 'extenuating circumstances' comes into play and the argument that he would probably have ticked off those minutes is he hadn't had been injured.

I think he will get a work permit. If it was some obscure Brazilian who had never played in the PL, I think we would struggle. But because of his PL history, the powers that be will want Costa here, so I think the wheels will be greased to make it happen!

Thanks for that info and breakdown

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Not a straightforward question!!

Under the old system.....

1. Roughly 50% of all non-EEA players joined clubs via the appeals panel;
2. 79% of all appeals were successful;
3. 55% of non-EEA players who joined Premier League clubs played fewer than the league average number of minutes; and
4. Only 58% of players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.

But under this system, it was deemed that too many sub-elite ‘foreigners’ were able to play in the UK, thus blocking English player pathways through to the first team.

When the new system was brought in, Greg Dyke was keen to stress that, "The new system will make it far easier for us to identify and attract top quality players that truly are at the elite level, and it will make it far tougher for those who don’t meet the quality standard to get to play in Britain."

On this basis, even the appeals process is points driven now.

If the automatic criteria mentioned above is not met, the player can request that an appeals body (called the Exceptions Panel) considers the player’s experience and value to decide whether the player should nonetheless be allowed to join the club.

The appeals process is a points based system under which the panel will award points depending on the circumstances of the transfer. If a player scores four points or more, the panel may recommend that the application is granted. Nonetheless, the panel can still reject the application even if four or more points are scored.

Criteria	Points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	3 points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	2 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club	3 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club	2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League[3] and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point

If the player does not meet the above points based system review, there is a secondary examination under which if the player scores 5 points or more, the panel may recommend that an application is granted. Points can be scored if, for example, the player has played in the final qualification rounds of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes. The review at this stage is more flexible meaning that the panel can take into account the circumstances if no transfer fee is payable (perhaps because the player has reached the end of his contract) or if the player satisfies some but not all of the automatic criteria.

If the player fails to score 5 points or more, there is one final review stage during which further arguments can be made if there are extenuating circumstances that are beyond the control of the player or national association (for example, a long term injury or suspension that has prevented the player from appearing in the last year).

So what does all that mean?

Costa will probably fail to get the 4 points required at the first appeal stage. He will probably get 3 out of 4 points, as he will probably be in our top 25% of earners here.

He will struggle to get a 4th point as he won't tick off any of the other criteria (he played 775 minutes and 30% of all league minutes is 1026).

But that's when the argument and 'extenuating circumstances' comes into play and the argument that he would probably have ticked off those minutes is he hadn't had been injured.

I think he will get a work permit. If it was some obscure Brazilian who had never played in the PL, I think we would struggle. But because of his PL history, the powers that be will want Costa here, so I think the wheels will be greased to make it happen!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567082913820196864

This is what i thought above from post, he gets close to the 15, but on extenuating circumstances you could argue he would have got the minutes with athletico madrid if not injured.

We will see it will be wednesday if it happens.

I thought they were confident he would get it on appeal.


3 points - 1 for libertadores and 2 for earnings.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567090318008360962

Think we can argue extenuating

 

[SmiffyWolf]

To the panel we have no striker he will play . He has played in league before . Stop ****ing about and approve it.

 

[Skrilla]

So the initial points-based system he just misses out on, but seems very unlikely he wouldn't get one from an appeal given his history, and injuries etc.

 

[kennyB]

Time for Jimmy to fully recover at the same speed he was injured!

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Not a straightforward question!!

Under the old system.....

1. Roughly 50% of all non-EEA players joined clubs via the appeals panel;
2. 79% of all appeals were successful;
3. 55% of non-EEA players who joined Premier League clubs played fewer than the league average number of minutes; and
4. Only 58% of players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.

But under this system, it was deemed that too many sub-elite ‘foreigners’ were able to play in the UK, thus blocking English player pathways through to the first team.

When the new system was brought in, Greg Dyke was keen to stress that, "The new system will make it far easier for us to identify and attract top quality players that truly are at the elite level, and it will make it far tougher for those who don’t meet the quality standard to get to play in Britain."

On this basis, even the appeals process is points driven now.

If the automatic criteria mentioned above is not met, the player can request that an appeals body (called the Exceptions Panel) considers the player’s experience and value to decide whether the player should nonetheless be allowed to join the club.

The appeals process is a points based system under which the panel will award points depending on the circumstances of the transfer. If a player scores four points or more, the panel may recommend that the application is granted. Nonetheless, the panel can still reject the application even if four or more points are scored.

Criteria	Points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	3 points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows	2 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club	3 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club	2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League[3] and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes	1 point

If the player does not meet the above points based system review, there is a secondary examination under which if the player scores 5 points or more, the panel may recommend that an application is granted. Points can be scored if, for example, the player has played in the final qualification rounds of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes. The review at this stage is more flexible meaning that the panel can take into account the circumstances if no transfer fee is payable (perhaps because the player has reached the end of his contract) or if the player satisfies some but not all of the automatic criteria.

If the player fails to score 5 points or more, there is one final review stage during which further arguments can be made if there are extenuating circumstances that are beyond the control of the player or national association (for example, a long term injury or suspension that has prevented the player from appearing in the last year).

So what does all that mean?

Costa will probably fail to get the 4 points required at the first appeal stage. He will probably get 3 out of 4 points, as he will probably be in our top 25% of earners here.

He will struggle to get a 4th point as he won't tick off any of the other criteria (he played 775 minutes and 30% of all league minutes is 1026).

But that's when the argument and 'extenuating circumstances' comes into play and the argument that he would probably have ticked off those minutes is he hadn't had been injured.

I think he will get a work permit. If it was some obscure Brazilian who had never played in the PL, I think we would struggle. But because of his PL history, the powers that be will want Costa here, so I think the wheels will be greased to make it happen!

I don't think he will. Let's face it he hasn't been injured all that time and I don't think having a career threatening injury is an extenuating circumstance, particularly when it points to the fact that he isn't the same player he once was anymore.
I think we're all clinging on to a pipe dream here.

 

[old wittonian]

Think we can argue extenuating

Of course if it were a Sky 6 club applying it would have been approved immediately.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Think we can argue extenuating

I would think that the Work Permit exists to protect the UK's resident workers from cheaper foreign labour. The irony being that the market for a UK based centre-forward is closed by some other restrictions of movement, thus only "free-agent" inferior candidates are available.

Unless we are able to "pull a Barca" and sign an emergency striker when the window is closed, obviously not giving a damn about the consequences for the selling club being unable to do likewise.

 

[Hot Fuss]

Like someone else said earlier if it was a Sky 6 team the appeal would have no problem at all, but I can see us getting no favours as usual.

Victim mentality at its finest.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Bit of a farce that part of the points criteria is transfer fee, hardly makes it easy to sign a free agent! Stupid system if appeals are so often successful, just change the system!

 

[SquaddieWolf]

Victim mentality at its finest.

And you think everyone below the 6 is treated the same as the 6? Ok

 

[marrs-guitar]

I remember the work permit farce with Carlos Kameni in our first PL season.

I have to say Boubacar's case also looks a little concerning, with him not being an international and just playing in the 2nd division in France.

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Bit of a farce that part of the points criteria is transfer fee, hardly makes it easy to sign a free agent! Stupid system if appeals are so often successful, just change the system!

Ahhhh, but we have to pay £5,000 to appeal, every little helps as they say

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

I remember the work permit farce with Carlos Kameni in our first PL season.

I have to say Boubacar's case also looks a little concerning, with him not being an international and just playing in the 2nd division in France.

Is he a youth International? I know Fulham failed to sign Justin Kluivert due to a work permit; he played plenty of games for lille last season. I assumed traore's work permit came through.

 

[WV10Wolf]

If Mark Williams eventually got one, Costa shouldn’t be a problem.

 

[Corporate Wolf]

Is he a youth International? I know Fulham failed to sign Justin Kluivert due to a work permit; he played plenty of games for lille last season. I assumed traore's work permit came through.

TBF it's been pretty quiet on that front...... You'd like to think that it was a formality in view of the transfer being completed?

 

[Jonzy54]

Some of us remember McGhee ‘signing’ Zeljko Kalac from Leicester .He couldn’t get a work permit so it all fell through and we ended up paying something like. £500K to Leicester

 

[WalsallWolf]

Some of us remember McGhee ‘signing’ Zeljko Kalac from Leicester .He couldn’t get a work permit so it all fell through and we ended up paying something like. £500K to Leicester

This made me think of that.

Surely Costa will get approved?

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

TBF it's been pretty quiet on that front...... You'd like to think that it was a formality in view of the transfer being completed?

You would hope so, wouldn't you? We signed him subject to a work permit being granted though. I can't be ***** working out if he meets the points or not, if he does it will be due to youth International caps. I'm not sure if they are counted?

 

[Wolf in the sun]

was hoping liam would say wolves are confident on appeal but unless i have missed it i dont think he has ?

 

[John de Wolf's hairdryer]

Will self-interest in Government swing things here? I can't see how rejecting a work permit for Costa and thereby consequently imperiling Wolves's chances of avoiding relegation this season (even if the club has been the author of its own misfortunes where striker numbers are concerned) will enhance the Tories' hopes of retaining Wolverhampton South-West constituency at the next General Election...

Perhaps some of Stuart Anderson's constituents could make him aware of what is at stake here today? Every bit of pressure helps...

 

[Axle]

Some of us remember McGhee ‘signing’ Zeljko Kalac from Leicester .He couldn’t get a work permit so it all fell through and we ended up paying something like. £500K to Leicester

Ended up at (and playing for) AC Milan IIRC?

 

[CodsallWolf]

I am sure Wolves have fully evaluated and assessed the WP process and relative merits of moving in parallel assuming it would go to an appeal. However if it ends in failure we will look, and will be, a complete shambles. How do we find ourselves in such a farcical situation in our striker department, meanwhile at the other end of the pitch in the centre back position we are exposed to moreorless the same situation - we are 1 injury away from a full blown crisis given the level of experience of the 2 CB reserves.