Conte Sacked...

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Conte “outs” his players and the club.
No surprise he gets the sack.

But the players and club remain “outed”

The club, players and most pundits think he was “wrong” to do it.
I’m sure he had his own manipulative reasons for his actions, but can anyone deny there is some clear truth in what he said?

“super six” perennial under achievers.

There are many players in the Premier League that appear to fit the same profile.
Some are very close to home.

He was totally wrong to say what he said, but what he said was completely true.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Football did not start in 1992.

No but they'd be in a similar position if you looked back over a hundred years too, I'd imagine.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Football did not start in 1992.

Doesn't make that much difference.

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But the concept of the Big 6 largely did. Look earlier and you've got in the previous 33 years us, Burnley, Ipswich, Villa (sorry), Forest, Derby, Leeds (sorry again) winning the league. Since 1992 only Leicester outside what would be considered the current Big 6.

Of course they've always existed to some extent, they just didn't win everything! The funniest bit is Everton who were actually one of the Big 5 who drove the formation of the PL, but have slipped away while Chelsea and Man City (soon to be joined by Newcastle) have bought their way in.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Levy has been owner for 20 years. All they have won in that time is the league cup in 2008. Just an average team.... that changes its manager every couple of years. They have had 11 since Levy took over. Is there a pattern here?

It's Joe Lewis who owns Spurs.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Doesn't make that much difference.

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But the concept of the Big 6 largely did. Look earlier and you've got in the previous 33 years us, Burnley, Ipswich, Villa (sorry), Forest, Derby, Leeds (sorry again) winning the league. Since 1992 only Leicester outside what would be considered the current Big 6.

Of course they've always existed to some extent, they just didn't win everything! The funniest bit is Everton who were actually one of the Big 5 who drove the formation of the PL, but have slipped away while Chelsea and Man City (soon to be joined by Newcastle) have bought their way in.

I think if you look back to at least WWII, probably to the dawn of the FA, there has always been a clutch of “big clubs”, with we ourselves one through the 50’s to 70’s to a greater or lesser extent. What I think has changed, is the magnitude of difference between the biggest clubs and the rest, and between the PL and the leagues below. What’s also perhaps more evident now, with more football on the media, is that the big clubs now have far greater exposure than their equivalents when I was a boy.

 

[Andywolf74]

Spurs have been one of the most predictable teams for a number of years. Very good at beating teams in the lower half of the table but rarely take points off teams above them.
Conte's position was untenable after his outburst 9 days ago and it's a close call on whether this was a pre planned bit of covering his own butt for the future or the act of a passionate manager who feels his players and board haven't backed him100%.

 

[glorybox]

Spuds used to be a real "cup" team. Now they're just a team. Probably knocked themselves up a few "Top 6" trophies for their cabinet. Compared to the other 5 clubs they're an embarrassment.

 

[Flump]

Spuds used to be a real "cup" team. Now they're just a team. Probably knocked themselves up a few "Top 6" trophies for their cabinet. Compared to the other 5 clubs they're an embarrassment.

What' embarrassing about not being better than the other 5?

Should we be embarrassed too? Should every club below Spurs?

 

[WickedWolfie]

I think if you look back to at least WWII, probably to the dawn of the FA, there has always been a clutch of “big clubs”, with we ourselves one through the 50’s to 70’s to a greater or lesser extent. What I think has changed, is the magnitude of difference between the biggest clubs and the rest, and between the PL and the leagues below. What’s also perhaps more evident now, with more football on the media, is that the big clubs now have far greater exposure than their equivalents when I was a boy.

I think that you are spot on. What may well have changed though is that historically there was change in the composition of who comprised those big clubs (e.g. we dipped out from the early 60s). The revenue from the PL and Champions League, together with FFP, seem likely to freeze the current status quo in place indefinitely.

 

[glorybox]

What' embarrassing about not being better than the other 5?

Should we be embarrassed too? Should every club below Spurs?

You're missing the point. There's a big 5 then them if you look at trophies won. I wasn't comparing us to them, like i wouldn't compare Wycombe Wanderers to us.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Levy has been owner for 20 years. All they have won in that time is the league cup in 2008. Just an average team.... that changes its manager every couple of years. They have had 11 since Levy took over. Is there a pattern here?

Levy is no more the owner of Spurs than Jeff Shi is of Wolves. He is the Chairman of Spurs and the managing director of ENIC which is Spurs' majority shareholder (around 85% l believe). ENIC is ultimately owned by Joe Lewis.

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

This is why they are "big 6"

All-Time Premier League Table 1992-93 to 2022-23 (31 Seasons)​

#	Club	P	W	D	L	F	A	GD	Points

1	Manchester United	1,178	718	262	198	2,226	1,101	1,125	2,416
2	Arsenal FC	1,180	641	287	252	2,083	1,174	909	2,210
3	Chelsea FC	1,179	628	292	259	2,002	1,153	849	2,176
4	Liverpool FC	1,178	621	288	269	2,068	1,176	892	2,151
5	Tottenham Hotspur	1,180	517	285	378	1,797	1,478	319	1,836
6	Manchester City	989	492	214	283	1,725	1,093	632	1,690
7	Everton FC	1,180	424	328	428	1,513	1,521	-8	1,600
8	Newcastle United	1,060	394	275	391	1,416	1,436	-20	1,457
9	Aston Villa	1,065	365	301	399	1,300	1,392	-92	1,396
10	West Ham United	1,022	341	259	422	1,259	1,463	-204	1,282
11	Southampton FC	914	280	246	388	1,101	1,328	-227	1,086
12	Blackburn Rovers	696	262	184	250	927	907	20	970
13	Leeds United	571	222	149	200	780	750	30	815
14	Leicester City	639	216	164	259	858	915	-57	812
15	Fulham FC	598	173	160	265	670	872	-202	679
16	Middlesbrough FC	574	165	169	240	648	794	-146	664
17	Sunderland AFC	608	153	159	296	612	904	-292	618
18	Crystal Palace	529	151	138	240	568	760	-192	591
19	Bolton Wanderers	494	149	128	217	575	745	-170	575
20	West Bromwich Albion	494	117	139	238	510	772	-262	490
21	Stoke City	380	116	109	155	398	525	-127	457
22	Coventry City	354	99	112	143	387	490	-103	409
23	Norwich City	392	99	105	188	414	669	-255	402
24	Sheffield Wednesday	316	101	89	126	409	453	-44	392
25	Wimbledon FC	316	99	94	123	384	472	-88	391
26	Wolverhampton Wanderers	332	97	84	151	350	503	-153	375
27	Charlton Athletic	304	93	82	129	342	442	-100	361
28	Wigan Athletic	304	85	76	143	316	482	-166	331
29	Burnley FC	304	83	76	145	300	455	-155	325
30	Swansea City	266	82	66	118	306	383	-77	312
31	Queens Park Rangers	278	81	65	132	339	431	-92	308
32	Portsmouth FC	266	79	65	122	292	380	-88	302
33	Birmingham City	266	73	82	111	273	360	-87	301
34	Watford FC	304	73	66	165	310	518	-208	285
35	Derby County	266	68	70	128	271	420	-149	274
36	Nottingham Forest	225	66	67	92	251	336	-85	265
37	Brighton & Hove Albion	216	60	71	84	236	289	-53	251
38	AFC Bournemouth	217	62	49	106	266	384	-118	235
39	Ipswich Town	202	57	53	92	219	312	-93	224
40	Sheffield United	198	53	50	95	187	270	-83	209
41	Hull City	190	41	48	101	181	323	-142	171
42	Reading FC	114	32	23	59	136	186	-50	119
43	Oldham Athletic	84	22	23	39	105	142	-37	89
44	Brentford FC	65	23	19	23	91	90	1	88
45	Cardiff City	76	17	13	46	66	143	-77	64
46	Bradford City	76	14	20	42	68	138	-70	62
47	Huddersfield Town	76	12	17	47	50	134	-84	53
48	Blackpool FC	38	10	9	19	55	78	-23	39
49	Barnsley FC	38	10	5	23	37	82	-45	35
50	Swindon Town	42	5	15	22	47	100	-53	30

You can see why it used to be the big 4

 

[Flump]

He wasn't albeit he may have had some input.
Levy has always controlled transfers at Spurs and most of the time goes for the cheaper option. Hence the Evening Standard is full of similar stories to this....

I think there was a noticeable change in their transfer strategy with Conte's arrival, more to players in their prime than up and coming profitable players.

Richarlison £58m
Romero £50m
Bissouma £29m all in their mid 20s

Perisic in his mid 30s

 

[WolfLing]

I think there was a noticeable change in their transfer strategy with Conte's arrival, more to players in their prime than up and coming profitable players.

Richarlison £58m
Romero £50m
Bissouma £29m all in their mid 20s

Perisic in his mid 30s

Yeah, the problem is that they've all done the square root of ****all.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Levy is no more the owner of Spurs than Jeff Shi is of Wolves. He is the Chairman of Spurs and the managing director of ENIC which is Spurs' majority shareholder (around 85% l believe). ENIC is ultimately owned by Joe Lewis.

OK, clever clogs, 1-0 to you. What I meant was that Levy calls the shots on stuff like transfers, and how much money is available and appointing the head coach. He effectively runs the club. Like Jeff Shi does at Wolves. Or am I wrong there too?

 

[WickedWolfie]

OK, clever clogs, 1-0 to you. What I meant was that Levy calls the shots on stuff like transfers, and how much money is available and appointing the head coach. He effectively runs the club. Like Jeff Shi does at Wolves. Or am I wrong there too?

Nope, you are spot on.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

I think if you look back to at least WWII, probably to the dawn of the FA, there has always been a clutch of “big clubs”, with we ourselves one through the 50’s to 70’s to a greater or lesser extent. What I think has changed, is the magnitude of difference between the biggest clubs and the rest, and between the PL and the leagues below. What’s also perhaps more evident now, with more football on the media, is that the big clubs now have far greater exposure than their equivalents when I was a boy.

If you worked out the figures for the period from the end of WWII up to now, Wolves would surely be higher than 14th. Liverpool, at the top, for example, were out of the top division for 10 years in succession from 1953 to 1962, when we were at our strongest.

 

[Big Saft Kid]

It's Joe Lewis who owns Spurs.

Yes, I should have said CEO/ Chairman of the Board. He runs it but doesn't own it.

 

[SA Wolf]

Doesn't make that much difference.

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But the concept of the Big 6 largely did. Look earlier and you've got in the previous 33 years us, Burnley, Ipswich, Villa (sorry), Forest, Derby, Leeds (sorry again) winning the league. Since 1992 only Leicester outside what would be considered the current Big 6.

Of course they've always existed to some extent, they just didn't win everything! The funniest bit is Everton who were actually one of the Big 5 who drove the formation of the PL, but have slipped away while Chelsea and Man City (soon to be joined by Newcastle) have bought their way in.

Blackburn won it in 94/95 - Shearer and all that.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

for ww2 best i can get is to 10 years.

So we actually wont move that much

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[SingYourHeartsOut]

Blackburn won it in 94/95 - Shearer and all that.

Good point. Early days though, imagine being able to buy the league for not much more than the price of Silva and Guedes!

 

[glorybox]

Good point. Early days though, imagine being able to buy the league for not much more than the price of Silva and Guess!

I give up. Tell me.

 

[Jefe]

No permanent appointment to replace him until the summer.

That's very risky, seeing as 7th place Brighton are 7 points behind Spurs with three games in hand, and 8th place Brentford could reduce the gap to 5. No job for a novice. Classic Levy penny pinching that could see them crash out of European qualification altogether if it goes wrong.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Champions league is a joke really champions of what exactly

Agreed. There was a time when a club had to be the champions of their league to enter the European Cup. It was devalued so annual underachievers like Tottenham could compete. It was changed about 20 years ago, no doubt with a European super league in mind.

 

[Surrey Wolf]

Champions league is a joke really champions of what exactly

Underachievement?

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Spurs are about to collapse. Kane will go this summer and they will have nothing really. This season could be the last time they see European football.
They done their best in trying into break into a closed shop of clubs, but they ain't Liverpool, Arsenal or Man United; and have never had the kind of financial backing of Chelsea or Man City and now Newcastle.
Only a handful of teams now ever win anything. Spurs ain't one of them. Levy will go at some point and they'll go back to being like Everton.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Conte “outs” his players and the club.
No surprise he gets the sack.

But the players and club remain “outed”

The club, players and most pundits think he was “wrong” to do it.
I’m sure he had his own manipulative reasons for his actions, but can anyone deny there is some clear truth in what he said?

“super six” perennial under achievers.

There are many players in the Premier League that appear to fit the same profile.
Some are very close to home.

They aren't under achievers though. If anything they have been over achieving the last 20 years. At the end of the day only one team can win a league in any season.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

I would love wolves to be in the current crisis Spurs are in.
Still don't understand why they sacked Conté.

 

[sc91]

I would love wolves to be in the current crisis Spurs are in.
Still don't understand why they sacked Conté.

Because Conte said it how it was, Spurs are a broken club, rotten dressing room from the top down.

Look at it like this. Three top managers (Poch, Mourinho and Conte) have all in a roundabout way said the same thing about Spurs, they're mentality not ever that side and all they're bothered about is keeping Levy in the money.

 

[NottsWolves]

Because Conte said it how it was, Spurs are a broken club, rotten dressing room from the top down.

Look at it like this. Three top managers (Poch, Mourinho and Conte) have all in a roundabout way said the same thing about Spurs, they're mentality not ever that side and all they're bothered about is keeping Levy in the money.

Exactly.

Everything he said in that interview where he criticised the players has been proven to be true.

But they have a lovely stadium!

 

[SE10 Wolf]

Exactly.

Everything he said in that interview where he criticised the players has been proven to be true.

But they have a lovely stadium!

And a lovely repayment plan!

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Because Conte said it how it was, Spurs are a broken club, rotten dressing room from the top down.

Look at it like this. Three top managers (Poch, Mourinho and Conte) have all in a roundabout way said the same thing about Spurs, they're mentality not ever that side and all they're bothered about is keeping Levy in the money.

There not really a broken club at all though.
They will never win anything cos they aren't Man City. It is not like they are Chelsea right now; who genuinely are in a crisis because they hired the wrong guy and a bunch of random players. They are still just outside the champions league places. I don't see why people think Tottenham should be any better.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Wonder what odds spurs to go down next season once kane has left another failure manager awaits

 

[SA Wolf]

Conte sacked! When did that happen?

 

[SA Wolf]

Wonder what odds spurs to go down next season once kane has left another failure manager awaits

Saw a stat that Kane had 71 attempts to win a trophy at Spuds and has won precisely 0 of them.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Saw a stat that Kane had 71 attempts to win a trophy at Spuds and has won precisely 0 of them.

Joke club

 

[old wittonian]

 

[JadeWolf]

Tottenham have sacked the interim manager now. The search for an interim interim manager begins.

 

[jrpb-3]

Tottenham have sacked the interim manager now. The search for an interim interim manager begins.

Is that more or fewer days than Liz Truss lasted ?

 

[Norman Bell]

I get that Daniel Levy may be an owners dream with the old spreadsheets but surely his position as CEO has to be under huge scrutiny now as he appointed Stellini who had just been fired. Especially, as looks possible that they will fall out of a Champions League spot.