Whirligig Wolf
Groupie
- Joined
- Aug 23, 2008
- Messages
- 269
- Reaction score
- 376
Not even Stourport Hammer?Fair to say that isn’t going down well with hammers fans
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Not even Stourport Hammer?Fair to say that isn’t going down well with hammers fans
Fair to say that isn’t going down well with hammers fans
BoringWhat is their complaint? I thought they were sick of Moyes football...total capitulation today at Palace.
They know that they will get one good season before he throws a hissy fit for not signing Mbappe.What is their complaint? I thought they were sick of Moyes football...total capitulation today at Palace.
Fair comment but I felt he did a great job under circumstances. His use of subs to effect a game was brillant at times. But yes he didn't seem to mould a side that GON has this season.I wasn't that impressed with Lopetegui, I couldn't tell you what style he plays.
Maybe it was the situation he was in at Wolves, but i thought he treated every match as a separate project and totally chopped and changed to suit.
We had some great wins, but some terrible defeats where we were nowhere close to being competitive.
They must know Stourport......
Is this the equivalent of 'Bournemouth fans think O'Neil is a fraud' etc.
Was thinking thatThey must nw Stourport......
Is this the equivalent of 'Bournemouth fans think O'Neil is a fraud' etc.
It's brilliant that some genius reckons Cunha (who he persuaded Shi to buy) was ignored. I mean there were clearly issues around RAN, but none of us really know the ins and outs of that.
Let's just have some honesty, after Rennes everyone was just bursting to see what we could do this season. Nobody was on here calling Lopetegui a fraud.
Yes lopetugui was bang on , the squad wasn't good enough.....O'Neil has done really well but it's blantalanty obvious had we had our current injury crisis in September or October we would have been in a whole heap of trouble....we've managed to guide ourselves through the gamble well but it could have been different.....our first 11/13 is good, but overall the squad is weak,...Is this the equivalent of 'Bournemouth fans think O'Neil is a fraud' etc.
It's brilliant that some genius reckons Cunha (who he persuaded Shi to buy) was ignored. I mean there were clearly issues around RAN, but none of us really know the ins and outs of that.
Let's just have some honesty, after Rennes everyone was just bursting to see what we could do this season. Nobody was on here calling Lopetegui a fraud.
"Gee whiz, that Cunha looks miles better now with a pre-season and full season behind him, than he did in the half-season when he first moved to a different country, straight into a relegation battle - that must mean that JL is a crap manager!" Bubble Fortuna was evidently at the back of the queue when they were handing out brains.
Overall keeping us in the EPL was a massive plus which outweighed the negatives and always will do so. However I was relieved when he went as I was frustrated to continually read rumours that he wasn't happy and talking to journalists meant he was advertising his availability to the football world. He also denigrated players to the press, the team often appeared to lack team spirit. When you consider the attempts made too lure him to WV1, the money the club spent to support him and then his decision to depart at very short. Plus look at the absence of any visible player development under him, players who are now in the sights of top 6 clubs. So quite a lot of unwelcome baggage accompanied Loppy.Lopetegui deserves not being liked for his carry on here ( despite him genuine concerns about what he was promised and how he had the goalposts moved on him more than once ), but its idiotic if people think he didnt do a brilliant job keeping us up. We would have played different football this season under him, but looking at pre season we would still have been entertaining and we would be more than likely in the same position as we are now.
I do get though why he isnt liked.
Yes he does get a mixed reception, but sure as eggs are eggs he'd not be well received by some if he returned to Molineux as an opposition coach.Lopetegui deserves not being liked for his carry on here ( despite him genuine concerns about what he was promised and how he had the goalposts moved on him more than once ), but its idiotic if people think he didnt do a brilliant job keeping us up. We would have played different football this season under him, but looking at pre season we would still have been entertaining and we would be more than likely in the same position as we are now.
I do get though why he isnt liked.
Certainly, although as you'll know he was clapped and had his name sung at the end of the Forest game. I sympathise with Lopetegui given how he was treated, I also understand why others see it differently. What is beyond discussion is that he did a good job when he was here though, I'm not having people rewriting history on that (sometimes the same ones moaning we've relied too much on a small pool of talented players and didn't strengthen the squad).Yes he does get a mixed reception, but sure as eggs are eggs he'd not be well received by some if he returned to Molineux as an opposition coach.
It's what we do, Jota being a prime example. Even Nuno got it in the neck from someone on here post Forest game.
It's the way of the world. There's just some angry folk out there.
West Ham fans are stroppy and entitled.
So is Lopetegui.
Having said that, people can say what they like but he is an outstanding manager and would improve them hugely.
Spot on.We had Nuno, who was largely a fan of one highly drilled plan, and Lage who generally had a plan but never reacted to anything that happened in a game, and now O'Neil, who has also been criticised for being too slow to see opposition changed. The one manager that we've had who was constantly tweaking formations to find a weakness in the opposition, the one who used his bench effectively to affect games and protect players from injury, is now constantly vilified on here because so many posters had their egos damaged by the way he left.
Oh I know blah, blah, Brighton, blah, blah, blah Arsenal.....
Cunha looked very good under Lopetegui, he never looked like the number nine we needed and still doesn't.
Agreed.Is this the equivalent of 'Bournemouth fans think O'Neil is a fraud' etc.
It's brilliant that some genius reckons Cunha (who he persuaded Shi to buy) was ignored. I mean there were clearly issues around RAN, but none of us really know the ins and outs of that.
Let's just have some honesty, after Rennes everyone was just bursting to see what we could do this season. Nobody was on here calling Lopetegui a fraud.
GON benefitted hugely from the foundations JL left behind, despite his protestations he inherited a mess, which he didn't.It's astounding the lack of respect he gets.
He was a victim of his own success. If we survived on the final day in dramatic fashion, it would've been heroic given the situation he inherited. Bottom at Christmas, a big squad and he managed to get a response from January recruits straight away.
As it transpires, he was that good, we were safe before the season ended.
As you say, the Rennes friendly was hugely encouraging, as we played football we hadn't seen for a long, long time.
Thankfully, O'Neil has proven himself to be a great manager for us as well, but Lopetegui's work was superb.
He would be a fantastic appointment for West Ham, like he was for us. I'd put it on a similar level to Villa getting Emery if West Ham do get him in.
Agree with what you say Sketchead apart from the 'He acted like a clown and left in a hissy fit'Lopetegui connected the team and the fans in a moment of dire need and desperation. We were rock bottom and getting beat easily. He switched the narrative, made the fans and players believe, and achieved a superb run of results, with a couple of shockers here and there in between.
He then acted like a clown and left in a hissy fit, souring his reputation with us massively.
But let's not let how it ended change the thinking of what he actually achieved.
The football wasn't great, but we believed. Southampton away is one of the best away days I've ever had. 1-0 down and down to 10 men against a relegation rival, pure desire and connection between the fans and players on the pitch got us over the line.
He made us believe and, as trivial as it sounds, it meant we sung for the team and manager in a way we hadn't done since Nuno, and will likely never do with Gary and the current lot. For me, that part is really important. Our away ends are largely dead, and the home atmosphere is only good in an ironic way when we're likely to get battered (e.g. City and Arsenal home). It's pretty dull in 50-50 games or ones we should be winning on paper.
We've played really well at times this season with a full-strength side, but Julen would've got us better results in the past five or six weeks when we've been up against it. Depends what you want.
For West Ham, they need a big name and a connection, so it'd probably work. But if they want champagne football, it's unlikely.
Personally think he'd be a good fit.
Fair points mate. Some of which I’d forgotten. For me, he was unprofessional and I think he always felt as a club, we weren’t big enough for him.Agree with what you say Sketchead apart from the 'He acted like a clown and left in a hissy fit'
He informed the board he would not be staying on after the Celtic friendly but agreed to stay on until a new manager was appointed. For that he never receives the recognition.
That interview with the Spanish journalist mate of his did him no favours, but it was clear from that, that players were being sold without his knowledge.
Good luck to him.
How did that relate to his payoff? Surely if he just walks then he gets nothing.Agree with what you say Sketchead apart from the 'He acted like a clown and left in a hissy fit'
He informed the board he would not be staying on after the Celtic friendly but agreed to stay on until a new manager was appointed. For that he never receives the recognition.
That interview with the Spanish journalist mate of his did him no favours, but it was clear from that, that players were being sold without his knowledge.
Good luck to him.
Baffled at your comments on our away ends under Loppy, it’s certainly not how I remember it. (Southampton aside, brilliant day).Lopetegui connected the team and the fans in a moment of dire need and desperation. We were rock bottom and getting beat easily. He switched the narrative, made the fans and players believe, and achieved a superb run of results, with a couple of shockers here and there in between.
He then acted like a clown and left in a hissy fit, souring his reputation with us massively.
But let's not let how it ended change the thinking of what he actually achieved.
The football wasn't great, but we believed. Southampton away is one of the best away days I've ever had. 1-0 down and down to 10 men against a relegation rival, pure desire and connection between the fans and players on the pitch got us over the line.
He made us believe and, as trivial as it sounds, it meant we sung for the team and manager in a way we hadn't done since Nuno, and will likely never do with Gary and the current lot. For me, that part is really important. Our away ends are largely dead, and the home atmosphere is only good in an ironic way when we're likely to get battered (e.g. City and Arsenal home). It's pretty dull in 50-50 games or ones we should be winning on paper.
We've played really well at times this season with a full-strength side, but Julen would've got us better results in the past five or six weeks when we've been up against it. Depends what you want.
For West Ham, they need a big name and a connection, so it'd probably work. But if they want champagne football, it's unlikely.
Personally think he'd be a good fit.
He did have a massive (for Wolves) January window to help him out. And he went public with his ‘this team will get relegated without more investment’ , doing a sneaky interview criticising the duplicity of Shi in particular although no names were mentioned. He had a point, of course, particularly being misled, or lied to, but he didn’t want to work with the squad that he had had a hand in starting to develop. GON has proven the players aren’t as bad as Lopetegui made out although European contenders was never really a possibility, which ultimately is what Lopetegui’s beef was.It's astounding the lack of respect he gets.
He was a victim of his own success. If we survived on the final day in dramatic fashion, it would've been heroic given the situation he inherited. Bottom at Christmas, a big squad and he managed to get a response from January recruits straight away.
As it transpires, he was that good, we were safe before the season ended.
As you say, the Rennes friendly was hugely encouraging, as we played football we hadn't seen for a long, long time.
Thankfully, O'Neil has proven himself to be a great manager for us as well, but Lopetegui's work was superb.
He would be a fantastic appointment for West Ham, like he was for us. I'd put it on a similar level to Villa getting Emery if West Ham do get him in.
He did do a good job, he was just an absolute *****. He took a massively under achieving squad, added £70m to it and got a tune out of them to turn the season around, fair play to him for that. But the way he handled himself was disgraceful.It's astounding the lack of respect he gets.
He was a victim of his own success. If we survived on the final day in dramatic fashion, it would've been heroic given the situation he inherited. Bottom at Christmas, a big squad and he managed to get a response from January recruits straight away.
As it transpires, he was that good, we were safe before the season ended.
As you say, the Rennes friendly was hugely encouraging, as we played football we hadn't seen for a long, long time.
Thankfully, O'Neil has proven himself to be a great manager for us as well, but Lopetegui's work was superb.
He would be a fantastic appointment for West Ham, like he was for us. I'd put it on a similar level to Villa getting Emery if West Ham do get him in.
He did have a massive (for Wolves) January window to help him out. And he went public with his ‘this team will get relegated without more investment’ , doing a sneaky interview criticising the duplicity of Shi in particular although no names were mentioned. He had a point, of course, particularly being misled, or lied to, but he didn’t want to work with the squad that he had had a hand in starting to develop. GON has proven the players aren’t as bad as Lopetegui made out although European contenders was never really a possibility, which ultimately is what Lopetegui’s beef was.
Mourinho is out of work.Lop at West Ham should be bloody hilarious. God, this is perfect. Cue hilarity in how that ends lol.