Bust up

[SteveBullsKnee]

You alright pal? Stick to commenting on Kilman being a championship standard player and Brentford going down whilst you are it. I love my club but I'm not blinkered by those in charge. That is the difference between you and me. To be honest I hate clashing with other posters but you seem to be a specialist on here at it with more than just me. I'll leave you to sober up.

Nah difference is my back bone is solid. I’m not crying myself to sleep that wolves didn’t spend £35 million on Buendia

 

[JOSWolf]

Nah difference is my back bone is solid. I’m not crying myself to sleep that wolves didn’t spend £35 million on Buendia

Whole pint of water and 1 or 2 paracetamol mate. That should do the trick. Great for getting rid of headaches.

 

[peter&thewolf]

I can't see them both coming on in the 2nd half if that happened

 

[Bognor_Wolf]

 

[CologneWolf]

Good chance but I think it could be game over for Lage in the next few weeks.

After today I am neither for or against it.

Only fear I have is if is kept on and results don’t go our way at the beginning of next season he’s booted and the manager coming in then has a massive task just to keep us in the division on the back of no pre season.

It’s exactly how I felt about Nuno at this same stage of the season last year. The only difference being that this was his squad and Bruno hasn’t really been able to bring in additions.

If Fosun aren’t prepared to fund Bruno this summer then I don’t see any reason why they would open the cheque book for a potential replacement who hasn’t had anytime to even assess the current squad and how their strengths could suit the way he might like to set-up.

 

[JOSWolf]

Anyway. We should all be friends really as Wolves fans. Apologies from me if this thread has been taken off topic.

 

[JOSWolf]

After today I am neither for or against it.

Only fear I have is if is kept on and results don’t go our way at the beginning of next season he’s booted and the manager coming in then has a massive task just to keep us in the division on the back of no pre season.

It’s exactly how I felt about Nuno at this same stage of the season last year. The only difference being that this was his squad and Bruno hasn’t really been able to bring in additions.

If Fosun aren’t prepared to fund Bruno this summer then I don’t see any reason why they would open the cheque book for a potential replacement who hasn’t had anytime to even assess the current squad and how their strengths could suit the way he might like to set-up.

Fair and measured response mate.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Whole pint of water and 1 or 2 paracetamol mate. That should do the trick. Great for getting rid of headaches.

Chill out mate, Fulham are back next season and you can have palpitations about them doing “bits”. Highlight of this forum is you and transfers, like everyone laughs at you

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

A day after raul says we need to get more bodies in the box

Hmmmmm

 

[Stratman Wolves]

This doesnt surprise me one bit after today. He is toast by the looks of it. Huge few weeks ahead for Shi and Sellars. Do not fail us please Mr Shi.

I have no expectations other than Shi and Sellars will fail us. Sign some youngsters with "potential" and then many will call it a great window.

 

[bod101]

Jos and Steve bull's knee give it a rest now please.

 

[sillytuna]

I don't really like all this talk that players are downing tools. We've had players do that in the past. We have a squad of serious players with a good heart here. It may be unbalanced but I've seen no evidence or any real problems otherwise.

There is a difference between that and losing faith in the manager. Easy to forget these are human beings and this is their job. Something has felt very wrong for a few weeks now and Bruno shaming youngsters and bizarre tactical/team decisions since that Arsenal game has possibly lead to this.

When morale goes, no one can (really) give 100% - it just isn't possible in any sport even at the very top and certainly not in a team game. It'll affect some players more than others.

Bruno has been a weird manager. He's clearly got some skills and has done a great job with some individuals but the football has been atrocious. I was sick of it in November and was pointing out how rubbish it was to repeatedly barely have a shot. For a while we looked to have found a better balance but post Arsenal, unless a team was playing really poorly, we've been abysmal. Many of the team selections, tactics, and subs have been bizarre - and it looks like we're not the only ones to think so.

This is on the manager, not the players and not the club. Whatever faults we do have, the manager losing the players isn't recoverable. That said, although I understood the Traore loan, not having a first teamer to come in was daft. That hasn't helped Lage's cause.

 

[wayne-the-wanderer]

From a very reliable source - many of the players (especially Moutinho and Jonny) were unhappy about Bruno calling out Hoever publicly

 

[sc91]

Chill out mate, Fulham are back next season and you can have palpitations about them doing “bits”. Highlight of this forum is you and transfers, like everyone laughs at you

Eh, not going to lie but your blinkered view on goings on down at Molineux are currently taking that bait, heh. I mean I know we were **** 8 years ago, but that team 8 years ago would have slapped them up today.

 

[sc91]

I don't really like all this talk that players are downing tools. We've had players do that in the past. We have a squad of serious players with a good heart here. It may be unbalanced but I've seen no evidence or any real problems otherwise.

There is a difference between that and losing faith in the manager. Easy to forget these are human beings and this is their job. Something has felt very wrong for a few weeks now and Bruno shaming youngsters and bizarre tactical/team decisions since that Arsenal game has possibly lead to this.

When morale goes, no one can (really) give 100% - it just isn't possible in any sport even at the very top and certainly not in a team game. It'll affect some players more than others.

Bruno has been a weird manager. He's clearly got some skills and has done a great job with some individuals but the football has been atrocious. I was sick of it in November and was pointing out how rubbish it was to repeatedly barely have a shot. For a while we looked to have found a better balance but post Arsenal, unless a team was playing really poorly, we've been abysmal. Many of the team selections, tactics, and subs have been bizarre - and it looks like we're not the only ones to think so.

This is on the manager, not the players and not the club. Whatever faults we do have, the manager losing the players isn't recoverable. That said, although I understood the Traore loan, not having a first teamer to come in was daft. That hasn't helped Lage's cause.

It's a case of going into the work place giving 100% but totally unmotivated, the second something goes tits up then you're like 'ah **** it, I'm done', and thus, vibe out.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Jos and Steve bull's knee give it a rest now please.

No…….please. I want to see who wins

 

[Stoichkov]

Yep local journo and not a guy who would make stuff up.

He’s a failed journo desperate for attention. Presents himself as a source of info. Bit wierd

Having said that Jonny either wasn’t fit or wasn’t trying to run and cover - something not right at all

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Whether it’s right or wrong, if he is arguing with senior players then he’s gone.

 

[VancouverWolf]

I don’t like some fans saying the players downed tools.
They’re human and when you constantly lose or don’t play well, then their morale and belief in themselves takes a serious hit.

And then patience runs low and then either a coach or a player can lash out.

 

[VancouverWolf]

It will be interesting to see how or if Wolves officially handle these rumours in the next day or so.

 

[North West Wanderer]

I follow him on Twitter and have done for some time. I don’t think he would post this unless he was confident in his source; and as you can see he states it is from inside the club.

Yep - he doesn’t need to post for the sake of it, and while I don’t know him I do know people that do who trust him, if that makes sense.

I didn’t like him digging Hoever out at all, and it’s been terrible since then.

 

[Mugwump]

Looking from the outside in, it wouldnt surprise me. Maybe Lage publically shaming some of the younger guys hasnt gone down particularly well.

 

[Mugwump]

He may be a usually reliable source, but I’m always suspicious when this kind of thing comes out immediately after, not before, a poor performance. The poor performance makes it easier to believe, and selecting players for the bust up after knowing the team selection allows the journalist / poster to pick the players for the bust up (eg those not starting, or those who play particularly poorly). He may be on the level, but it would have been more credible if posted ahead of the game.

Thats a very good point. It would have been good to hear it 24 hours earlier.

One thing i will say is despite the poor form, its clear Nuno never lost the respect of the players. You only look at how he left and their reactions to see that. I think they like some of the changes Lage has made, but they dont play for him and respect him like they did with Nuno.

 

[Mugwump]

As much as the rumour supports what we are witnessing on the field, I cannot support players who behave this way. There is a lot of blame to go around and no one is covering themselves in glory here and I think we all know that even if Bruno is fired, he needs to be followed out the door by several of the players.

Housecleaning job this off-season will be massive and unless our management and recruitment is excellent I would say we are looking at a consolidation job next season.

I agree with that. It not at the levels we saw with Foley and Henry under Solbakken, they flat out just didnt try, but its clear the players yesterday were just coasting.

 

[Mugwump]

The players have needed a refresh for awhile now so it’s absolutely no surprise the whole thing is imploding . Fosun penny pinching and getting rid of senior people at the club have ground the whole thing to a halt and I for one can’t wait to see the likes of saiss, marcal, moutinho, donk, Raul, Hwang and more ****ed out of our club.

Bruno has had poor games but the reality is this same squad nearly got relegated under nuno so how he got 8th is a miracle

How did we nearly get relegated under Nuno? Thats just plain wrong and changing what happened to suit your argument. We finished 17 points clear of the relegation zone

 

[NottsWolves]

I agree with that. It not at the levels we saw with Foley and Henry under Solbakken, they flat out just didnt try, but its clear the players yesterday were just coasting.

I think coasting is being kind! They didn’t even try.

I can take losing to a better team, but yesterday was exceptionally poor and they were simply jogging around the pitch. There was no effort.

Regardless of whether there was a bust up, that is no excuse for their performance. None whatsoever.

 

[Mugwump]

I think coasting is being kind! They didn’t even try.

I can take losing to a better team, but yesterday was exceptionally poor and they were simply jogging around the pitch. There was no effort.

Regardless of whether there was a bust up, that is no excuse for their performance. None whatsoever.

I said it when the players did it ( abliet much worse ) to Solbaklken, its not on. I dont think they even put any effort in for him, where as i thought they did try to play football yesterday, but when it went against them they didnt want to go up another gear. Not quite as bad as flat out not trying, but its still just not acceptable. They should have some professional pride.

I must admit and have said it weeks and weeks ago, its odd a team with everything to play has been turning up with displays like we have recently.

 

[Fenrir_]

The players have needed a refresh for awhile now so it’s absolutely no surprise the whole thing is imploding . Fosun penny pinching and getting rid of senior people at the club have ground the whole thing to a halt and I for one can’t wait to see the likes of saiss, marcal, moutinho, donk, Raul, Hwang and more ****ed out of our club.

Bruno has had poor games but the reality is this same squad nearly got relegated under nuno so how he got 8th is a miracle

In what world did we nearly get relegated? We were nowhere near being relegated last season, at any point

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Everybody can see that a refresh is needed. That means the players also know it. Stands to reason that they will stand against anybody threatening to upset their cushy little status quo.

One of the major drawbacks of a small squad. Bruno can threaten all he likes to drop players who arent performing but the reality is is that he cant unless he fields a team of kids.

 

[Perton Wolf]

From a very reliable source - many of the players (especially Moutinho and Jonny) were unhappy about Bruno calling out Hoever publicly

Can believe this to be honest, was unprofessional of Lage to do. You keep criticism like that behind closed doors.

 

[Jamwolf]

Sorry, but I don't get this small squad stuff. We played an attacking enough first 11 yesterday, we had Jimenez, Neto and Johnny come on from the bench, and we had Podence and Kilman out injured. Plus Trincao who was meant to be the next big thing (but isn't). We also have MGW out on loan, as well as Traore if he comes back.

The issues are whether these players are good enough, whether some of them have reached their shelf life with us, and whether our tactics are right, which leads onto whether our manager is right.

The strange thing is that it's probably best if we finish the season poorly, so that Fosun can see where we might be heading next year if they don't spin the dice.

As an aside, I was a big Jimenez fan, even this season, but yesterday he looked lost. A change of club would be good for him.

 

[Mugwump]

Sorry, but I don't get this small squad stuff. We played an attacking enough first 11 yesterday, we had Jimenez, Neto and Johnny come on from the bench, and we had Podence and Kilman out injured. Plus Trincao who was meant to be the next big thing (but isn't). We also have MGW out on loan, as well as Traore if he comes back.

The issues are whether these players are good enough, whether some of them have reached their shelf life with us, and whether our tactics are right, which leads onto whether our manager is right.

The strange thing is that it's probably best if we finish the season poorly, so that Fosun can see where we might be heading next year if they don't spin the dice.

As an aside, I was a big Jimenez fan, even this season, but yesterday he looked lost. A change of club would be good for him.

Or a change of manager. As much as we all are presuming the injury is the issue, maybe its how he is being asked to play. Odd thing for him to say that we need more bodies in the box when he could get himself in there, which me putting 2+2 and getting 5 could well mean they are instructed to play the way we are.

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

Someone mentiomed the ST sales cutoff date had been bought forward. I wonder if the powers that be were hoping to keep the unrest under wraps so it didnt influence sales.

 

[NewarkWolf]

It will be interesting to see how or if Wolves officially handle these rumours in the next day or so.

The rumours have travelled no further than an Internet forum..... Of the very club.

This has no interest to the outside world so that allows our to be ignored.

 

[old wittonian]

Well if you need to beat a player twice you probably haven't got it right the first time!

Or, as the. commentators said, having beaten him the first time yiou then took the wrong option

 

[Bacon Sandwich]

Bit early in the morning to be scrolling though all this. I see "you were the first to tell us Nuno was going" and "from a very reliable source."
Could someone summarise what's happened? Is Bruno off or not?

 

[TheConcourse]

After today I am neither for or against it.

Only fear I have is if is kept on and results don’t go our way at the beginning of next season he’s booted and the manager coming in then has a massive task just to keep us in the division on the back of no pre season.

It’s exactly how I felt about Nuno at this same stage of the season last year. The only difference being that this was his squad and Bruno hasn’t really been able to bring in additions.

If Fosun aren’t prepared to fund Bruno this summer then I don’t see any reason why they would open the cheque book for a potential replacement who hasn’t had anytime to even assess the current squad and how their strengths could suit the way he might like to set-up.

With you here.

If, hypothetically, Neves and others leave then Bruno has a potential war chest for 4 or 5 players. Do they trust him enough to shape that squad?

I’d suggest not.

We’re stuck in a bit of a messy spot here where our “style” needs to evolve and so player succession becomes pretty difficult.

 

[kidder_wolf_II]

Bruno spotted at Manchester Airpirt today.

Looks like there will be no training Sunday or Monday then!!

 

[DJW]

Team spirit and the players connection with the fans was one of our greatest assets. Generally built by Nuno and lost to a certain extent during the 'fanless' covid season. The players are a uniquely close bunching, as hinted at by Jose Sa recently. If that is lost then we could be in big trouble. If Bruno is even partly responsible then he is in big trouble. Such a shame and very depressing.

 

[Wolf316]

He’s a failed journo desperate for attention. Presents himself as a source of info. Bit wierd

Having said that Jonny either wasn’t fit or wasn’t trying to run and cover - something not right at all

I’ve followed Ryan on Twitter for years and I don’t remember him ever posting anything like this which is why believe us to be true especially with @top fox wolf backing it up.