Possibility of crowds up to 50% capacity in 2021

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

According to Wolve

As a tax payer I can't say I disagree with the government on that .... With the money thats around at the top of football its an absolute disgrace that clubs are going to the wall.

Sean Dyche had an interesting point on this though. Should Amazon then bail out failing retailers? Should profitable banks bail out other failing banks?

 

[pacamac]

Sean Dyche had an interesting point on this though. Should Amazon then bail out failing retailers? Should profitable banks bail out other failing banks?

Amazon don't rely on other retailers (they're in competition with them), football clubs at the top need football clubs lower down the pyramid.

 

[RedFlagWolf]

Can anyone explain why I will be able to watch Stourbridge FC on Saturday (really excited by the way) in safety whilst I will not be able to watch professional football??

It does appear inconsistent.

Bit like why I can go grouse shooting with my extended family yet cant all go over Kinver to take the dog for a walk!

 

[Moira Stewart]

Sean Dyche had an interesting point on this though. Should Amazon then bail out failing retailers? Should profitable banks bail out other failing banks?

Football clubs are entirely different to other businesses though so it's a ridiculous comparison, football clubs particualry as you go lower down the leagues are pillars and foundations of their communities and are far more than just about doing business and making money which is essentially who Dyche is comparing them to. Also football for other than half a dozen clubs at the very top is cyclical, we and many of the other clubs below the big 6 have for some time or another been out of the PL in the last 20 years, that we are fortunate to be here when a once in a hundred year freak event happens isn't enough reason to pull up the drawe bridge on all of those clubs in leagues below who are less fortunate. It could so easily be us struggling to survive, or Burnley in Dyche's case.

 

[RobB]

Sean Dyche had an interesting point on this though. Should Amazon then bail out failing retailers? Should profitable banks bail out other failing banks?

Banks have often bailed out other financial institutions in order to protect the stability of the financial system as a whole, actually that is normally what happens from LTCM to a stronger bank being 'encouraged' to take over a weaker one such as Fortis and ABN Amro.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Football clubs are entirely different to other businesses though so it's a ridiculous comparison, football clubs particualry as you go lower down the leagues are pillars and foundations of their communities and are far more than just about doing business and making money which is essentially who Dyche is comparing them to. Also football for other than half a dozen clubs at the very top is cyclical, we and many of the other clubs below the big 6 have for some time or another been out of the PL in the last 20 years, that we are fortunate to be here when a once in a hundred year freak event happens isn't enough reason to pull up the drawe bridge on all of those clubs in leagues below who are less fortunate. It could so easily be us struggling to survive, or Burnley in Dyche's case.

Agreed. BUT clubs are standalone corporate entities not some sort of national cooperative.

 

[Peszkywolf]

Almost everyone agrees that TV money isn't shared anywhere near fairly. 4th tier clubs probably get less than 0.1% of total....
Football has screwed over smaller clubs for 30 years, maybe now the big clubs can do the right thing and help out the smaller clubs??

 

[WickedWolfie]

Almost everyone agrees that TV money isn't shared anywhere near fairly. 4th tier clubs probably get less than 0.1% of total....
Football has screwed over smaller clubs for 30 years, maybe now the big clubs can do the right thing and help out the smaller clubs??

Do l believe that smaller clubs should get a better deal? Yes. The truth is though that smaller clubs rarely if ever appear on TV and, unless they were playing a big club in a cup, would likely attract miniscule audiences if they did

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

Can anyone explain why I will be able to watch Stourbridge FC on Saturday (really excited by the way) in safety whilst I will not be able to watch professional football??

It does appear inconsistent.

Bit like why I can go grouse shooting with my extended family yet cant all go over Kinver to take the dog for a walk!

No. I can't explain that. I can't explain why for the past thirty years you could watch football on a packed terrace in safety as long as it wasn't in the top two divisions.

League position seems to be directly linked to danger it would seem. Who'd have thought?

 

[Peszkywolf]

Do l believe that smaller clubs should get a better deal? Yes. The truth is though that smaller clubs rarely if ever appear on TV and, unless they were playing a big club in a cup, would likely attract miniscule audiences if they did

Man Utd probably get 10x the viewing figures that we get, should they get 10x the money?
They still need other clubs in the leagues, and they NEED the leagues to at least appear competitive, with promoted clubs or 7th best team having at least a glimmer of hope of competing. Even though it's all a bit of a charade.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Do l believe that smaller clubs should get a better deal? Yes. The truth is though that smaller clubs rarely if ever appear on TV and, unless they were playing a big club in a cup, would likely attract miniscule audiences if they did

To be fair, taking that argument to it's logical conclusion. Shouldn't then the most popular Prem clubs get a bigger slice of the TV revenue as their games are most watched?

 

[WickedWolfie]

Man Utd probably get 10x the viewing figures that we get, should they get 10x the money?
They still need other clubs in the leagues, and they NEED the leagues to at least appear competitive, with promoted clubs or 7th best team having at least a glimmer of hope of competing. Even though it's all a bit of a charade.

Something like that (individually negotiated team TV contracts) happened in Spain until 2015.

To be fair, taking that argument to it's logical conclusion. Shouldn't then the most popular Prem clubs get a bigger slice of the TV revenue as their games are most watched?

Logically then very possibly. However, how would you define popular? At one time when we'd just been promoted we were described as everyone's second favourite team. Presumably that was reflected in viewing figures. Not sure if it still is.

 

[wolvesaywe]

Sean Dyche had an interesting point on this though. Should Amazon then bail out failing retailers? Should profitable banks bail out other failing banks?

If Dyche did say that, and I've not seen the quote, then that's surprising and disappointing given he spent the majority of his career in the lower leagues.

All football clubs are the lifeblood of the local community, for some its their very identity. A club going out of existence has a devastating impact on thousands of people.

If a shop goes bust, I shop elsewhere.

If a bank goes bust, I bank elsewhere.

If Wolves goes bust, I have nothing to replace it.

It will take a small fraction of the obscene amount of money flowing into the Premier League to ensure the survival of those at the bottom of the pyramid.

 

[Mutchy]

And again... keep it to football related please. Don't be surprised if general covid posts are simply deleted.

 

[wolvesaywe]

And again... keep it to football related please. Don't be surprised if general covid posts are simply deleted.

Then you should operate the same editorial policy when player threads venture into pages of chat about the Wirral

 

[yateleywolf]

Looking increasingly likely no one in until vaccine in place.Saints and other clubs sold ST's this season which didn't make sense at the time and even less now.

 

[Deleted member 4099]

Looking increasingly likely no one in until vaccine in place.Saints and other clubs sold ST's this season which didn't make sense at the time and even less now.

What if there isn’t a vaccine?

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

What if there isn’t a vaccine?

Thought Fosun have got one almost ready. Who knows they may throw a shipment or two our way. Vaciniation certificate required for entry, job done, Molineux full houses all the way

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Can anyone explain why I will be able to watch Stourbridge FC on Saturday (really excited by the way) in safety whilst I will not be able to watch professional football??

It does appear inconsistent.

Bit like why I can go grouse shooting with my extended family yet cant all go over Kinver to take the dog for a walk!

Yep its bonkers. Im off to watch Halesowen tomorrow instead. I miss the number 9 derby! Gew on the yeltz!

 

[jrpb-3]

with crowds not likely to return anytime soon, looks like fans will mainly be viewing on line. For the top clubs where there are TV rights and money to be made this is fine, for smaller clubs lower down the leagues maybe the time has come for a change in model. Technology is such that now a game could be filmed and streamed online much cheaper than in the past, maybe it is now financially feasible that clubs can set up their own deal for some company to film and stream their matches and they then sell subscriptions/tickets to matches direct to their own fans

 

[Hazza]

It’s bonkers, our local Vue cinema is showing the West Han game live on Sunday so I can sit there but not in an open stadium

 

[RobB]

Prem clubs insisting that crowds start to be allowed back, sooner rather than later, if they are to help bailout smaller clubs, right strategy.

 

[stuj4z]

I watched the Super Cup last night and there were 20,000 there. That's more people in one place than anywhere here. Not an issue.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1309205871910555648

This country is a joke

 

[jrpb-3]

 

[Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)]

Come on guys, it's Petition Parliament time. Surely we can boost the signatories buy a few thousand, lets not let up.

Petition: Allow football fans to attend matches at all levels

 

[Yamalritee]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313589248617046017

Come on wolves get on board!

 

[Yamalroite]

I think its generally the government think football fans are morons.
The way we are spoken to on away games and even some home games by authorities is a joke.
Remember the reaction when arriving back from 90 world cup, been like that since.
Us plebs cant be trusted.

 

[IANWILSON]

Signed it the other day. Can't keep giving up my Saturdays for shopping duties. Its my sanity I'm concerned about.

 

[JadeWolf]

I think its generally the government think football fans are morons.
The way we are spoken to on away games and even some home games by authorities is a joke.
Remember the reaction when arriving back from 90 world cup, been like that since.
Us plebs cant be trusted.

I think it’s more that the government don’t make much money from football fans. Happy to open pubs cinemas and restaurants though.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I watched the Super Cup last night and there were 20,000 there. That's more people in one place than anywhere here. Not an issue.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1309205871910555648

This country is a joke

I have to admit that I cannot see the logic why clubs cannot admit 1/3 capacity (as UEFA Super Cup) as long as clubs arrange entry, exit and concourse access with adequate social distancing and people wear masks when not sat at their seats. We’d have 10k in Molineux and a pretty decent atmosphere. If people didn’t follow the rules and clubs didn’t enforce them, then police can suspend fans attending, so there is an incentive to clubs and fans to be sensible.

 

[wolvesaywe]

I'm all for signing for the petition but in reality the concept is just lip service to make the public think they can sway the government, when in reality they just plough on regardless.

It will just get some time in a late sitting of parliament with a couple of backbenchers present.

Our democracy is shot to pieces.

 

[Yamalroite]

I think it’s more that the government don’t make much money from football fans. Happy to open pubs cinemas and restaurants though.

True. If theres a till, we are allowed there.

 

[arctic rime]

Let fans in!!!

 

[Derbywolf85]

We need to start letting people make their own decisions about whether or not they return to the "normal", whilst still limiting the amount of "normal" there is.

Yes, cases are rising, but they are rising in the age group that it has one of the lowest effects on (Kids back at school and 25-40's because we're back at work).

A football ground has to be safer than packing people in to shopping centres, pubs, the royal albert hall etc.

For me, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever 6000 people in a 70k stadium like Old Trafford isn't safe.

Like Safe Standing, this needs to become a movement amongst fans, clubs and league authorities and they need to push and push, else it'll never happen and this **** stain of a government will force our beloved game in to the ground.

 

[wolvesaywe]

We need to start letting people make their own decisions about whether or not they return to the "normal", whilst still limiting the amount of "normal" there is.

Yes, cases are rising, but they are rising in the age group that it has one of the lowest effects on (Kids back at school and 25-40's because we're back at work).

A football ground has to be safer than packing people in to shopping centres, pubs, the royal albert hall etc.

For me, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever 6000 people in a 70k stadium like Old Trafford isn't safe.

Like Safe Standing, this needs to become a movement amongst fans, clubs and league authorities and they need to push and push, else it'll never happen and this **** stain of a government will force our beloved game in to the ground.

I saw a list of the top 20 districts with the most new cases in the last week and all bar one were those with a high concentration of students, where there are numerous halls of residence or student HMOs.

So I completely agree that reduced capacity crowds are very low risk.

Particularly given the government have deemed it safe to re-open the (indoor) Royal Albert Hall at 50% capacity!

 

[Whirligig Wolf]

There was an article yesterday indicating that when we are allowed back in they’ll restrict attendance to season ticket holders who live locally.
Suboptimal for those of us who have travelled up and down the M1 and M6 for many decades.
Optimal for a landlord in Whitmore Reans when I rent a flat from him...

 

[marrs-guitar]

There was an article yesterday indicating that when we are allowed back in they’ll restrict attendance to season ticket holders who live locally.

Old Trafford will be empty then.

 

[pacamac]

There was an article yesterday indicating that when we are allowed back in they’ll restrict attendance to season ticket holders who live locally.
Suboptimal for those of us who have travelled up and down the M1 and M6 for many decades.
Optimal for a landlord in Whitmore Reans when I rent a flat from him...

Don't think they did that with any of the test events.

Probably just idle journalism/speculation there's a lot of it around.

 

[Derbywolf85]

I saw a list of the top 20 districts with the most new cases in the last week and all bar one were those with a high concentration of students, where there are numerous halls of residence or student HMOs.

So I completely agree that reduced capacity crowds are very low risk.

Particularly given the government have deemed it safe to re-open the (indoor) Royal Albert Hall at 50% capacity!

It's moves like that that create the "them and us" or "one rule for them, one rule for us" mentality.

I am very far removed from being supportive of the government and how they have handled this, but they do have a difficult balance to find.

I just don't see how shopping centres, pubs etc are safer than outdoor sports events, full stop.

Even the Americans had crowds in at NFL games this past week and their current status is ridiculous in comparison to ours.

 

[pacamac]

Wolves (official twitter) have now shown their support (a lot later than other clubs) to the campaign and petition.