TOTI

[dougandiehard]

Does anyone know details of the injury to Toti ?

He was pictured sitting in the stands alongside Costa and Bonatelli.

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

No. But he’s not the answer to our problems.

Unfortunately we need a major overhaul in January, a proper one though. Not just overpaying for players Mendes wants to move to the PL.

 

[dougandiehard]

No. But he’s not the answer to our problems.

Unfortunately we need a major overhaul in January, a proper one though. Not just overpaying for players Mendes wants to move to the PL.

It just seems strange that we are given regular updates on other injured players but not Toti.

Agreed on the overhaul but a strong right back must be a priority.

 

[JOSWolf]

Another one who has suffered injury problems since pre season. He isnt the answer anyway, in my opinion.

 

[hollo]

Troyes wanted mosquera and an italian team wanted toti on loan. Maybe dawson and 1 other could come in.

 

[Royal wolf]

Was great today. I really like him. He has good pace and physicality. A tad rash but a few season playing regularly and he will be a good defender

 

[S G Wolves]

Very impressed with him today.

Scored a great goal.

**** VAR.

 

[floydstreet]

I’ve not seen him have a bad game
He’s a talent

Whether he’s ready now is the debate
Suspect that Julen wants more experience

 

[maws]

Our 3 cb’s all have a lot of learning to do but their talent is unquestionably good.

 

[steve vena]

Started off all over the place , settled down...Good job.

 

[GavW]

Don't think he's far away from being ready. Terrible header for the 2nd goal even allowing for the stupidity of the offside rule. But other than that looked solid.

Would be great if he could have the 2nd half of the season on loan in the championship but don't see us signing 2 CB's to allow that to happen.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Said on another thread I think he should have been given man of the match. Made more defensive actions than anyone and got a goal that should never have been ruled out.
Really like the look of him

 

[we love jez moxey]

I loved it when he was so cheesed off with the disallowed goal, he tried to run the length of the pitch to score a couple of minutes later!

 

[Scallywolf]

Started off a bit ropey last night with the early foul on the edge of our box, but after that got better and better. Good to see JL trusted him to start.

The header for their second goal was unfortunate (for the hundreds of reasons already mentioned on all sports websites and forums) but he was doing what you would expect a central defender to do.

Toti didn’t know if Salah was offside or not and it was unfortunate how he headed the ball.

A season long loan at a top end Championship club would bring him on a treat. He’s 24 this month and would come back as a regular first team squad member imo.

He plays the game the right way, has plenty of energy and enthusiasm. He’s got a bit of skill as well, as proved by his backheeled ‘goal’ last night.

We got rid of Coady, Saiss, Boly and Marcal last summer. At least Toti looks good enough to replace one of them. He’s a fair bit younger than any of them as well.

 

[Kcb92]

He reminds me of Saiss in style but obviously still a little inexperienced and naive

 

[Beijing Wolf]

So who starts against West Ham? Toti or Kilman?

 

[MotorWoden]

I think Kilman is a very good player but he is too quiet, and let's his head stop a bit. His confidence got seriously dented this season and he needs an experienced leader next to him.
Toti maybe isn't as good or as physically imposing but he just seems to have a bit fire about him. I think he might be my choice.

 

[Sketchead]

Played fairly well after a ropey start. The offside rule for the Salah goal is a shambles but he defended it terribly. Made a lot of good clearances second half.

Needs a loan, should be our fourth choice at best. We’re lacking in depth in this area.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

He reminds me of Saiss in style but obviously still a little inexperienced and naive

Yes, sometimes brilliant, sometimes rash, likes a tackle. Obviously a lot less nous at this point, but a lot more pace.

In terms of leadership at the back, Collins is developing nicely into that role, the doubters will slowly turn. I'm still going with Kilman for now though, Toti when we go to a 5.

 

[floydstreet]

Kilman was solid the other night

Highest clearances
One of the line etc

He does a lot of very good stuff very quietly
He’s no captain

But he’s a starter for me with Collins
Toti good cover and improving a lot

 

[JOSWolf]

He did settle down as the game went on to be fair to him as he was all over the place at the start. Still think we need another centre back with experience in the squad though.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

So who starts against West Ham? Toti or Kilman?

Both

 

[TheConcourse]

So who starts against West Ham? Toti or Kilman?

Would love to see all three (Collins too, obviously) with higher wing backs (RAN).

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Really wish we were talking about his cheeky little flick. Does it go through the keepers legs? I

 

[Wolf79]

Kilman was solid the other night

Highest clearances
One of the line etc

He does a lot of very good stuff very quietly
He’s no captain

But he’s a starter for me with Collins
Toti good cover and improving a lot

Must have watched a different game to you, he was amateurish for the Villa goal, watched it many times over & no excuses for how he defended (or didn’t) for the Mings punt. He didn’t even break sweat as Ings strolled past him. He’s been poor all season. Embarrassing that he has a 21 year old next to him who is taking the senior role. Not good enough for me.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Must have watched a different game to you, he was amateurish for the Villa goal, watched it many times over & no excuses for how he defended (or didn’t) for the Mings punt. He didn’t even break sweat as Ings strolled past him. He’s been poor all season. Embarrassing that he has a 21 year old next to him who is taking the senior role. Not good enough for me.

He tried to play him offside and bueno didn't step up otherwise he would have been off.
Inceidentally Collins defending for Liverpool's first is very similar.

 

[OoohRobbieRobbie]

He reminds me of Saiss in style but obviously still a little inexperienced and naive

He reminds me a little of Zubar

 

[floydstreet]

This is what happens

Semedo playing more solid
Hwang better

So errrrm yep need to find a new couple of players to go after. Yeah Kilman who should have been playing for England last year is the latest

Sometimes we can just say someone isn’t on top form, or low on confidence rather than taking apart for a goal. Also missed was the fact he was returning from attacking so hence oit of position

That goal for villa - Kilman not great, Bueno not great and Sa not great. It happens but they are all good players and part of our squad

He’s not vocal, plenty aren’t doesn’t mean he can’t and should lead by performance rather than shouting. Ps did you see how many tackles, clearances etc he made ?. Same as Collins vs Liverpool- he was superb, aside from one moment it happens

 

[Wolf79]

This is what happens

Semedo playing more solid
Hwang better

So errrrm yep need to find a new couple of players to go after. Yeah Kilman who should have been playing for England last year is the latest

Sometimes we can just say someone isn’t on top form, or low on confidence rather than taking apart for a goal. Also missed was the fact he was returning from attacking so hence oit of position

That goal for villa - Kilman not great, Bueno not great and Sa not great. It happens but they are all good players and part of our squad

He’s not vocal, plenty aren’t doesn’t mean he can’t and should lead by performance rather than shouting. Ps did you see how many tackles, clearances etc he made ?. Same as Collins vs Liverpool- he was superb, aside from one moment it happens

Kidman is a decent player but at his age & game time he should be much better. I don’t think he’s kicked on since all the England hype & we need to upgrade (need to keep though as a good back backup).

 

[Barnet Wolves]

Toti is jacked in the E&S photo

 

[glorybox]

If you consider the two major decisions went against him I feel really sorry for the guy.

 

[George AlooGobi]

Felt bad for the kid the other night, despite him being an absolute cart horse

Quite possibly the worst header of a ball I've seen in a Wolves shirt

 

[Fenrir_]

Toti is very athletic, has decent defensive attributes regarding heading/tackling etc, and worrying on the ball! Played well last night overall though and has plenty of heart

Don't think he'll ever be a top six defender as a regular, probably not top half, maybe lower end PL/top end Champ. Think he'll be a good squad player if we want to hang on to him

(But he still should have started at West Ham in the back three!)

 

[Ned]

Felt bad for the kid the other night, despite him being an absolute cart horse

Quite possibly the worst header of a ball I've seen in a Wolves shirt

Car horse is used to describe somebody as slow, Toti is one of our quickest players surely?

But yea, his heading is so strange. He wins the headers no problem but where they are going to end up is anybody’s guess.

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

Kidman is a decent player but at his age & game time he should be much better. I don’t think he’s kicked on since all the England hype & we need to upgrade (need to keep though as a good back backup).

Nicole is getting on a bit now, but I'd still play with her! I'm sure I would have a game time?

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Really wish we were talking about his cheeky little flick. Does it go through the keepers legs? I

It didn't, it went through TAAs legs.

 

[WolfLing]

Kidman is a decent player but at his age & game time he should be much better. I don’t think he’s kicked on since all the England hype & we need to upgrade (need to keep though as a good back backup).

I don't see that Kilman has the aggression required to be a top defender.

Both Collins and Toti are not as good on the ball, Toti by some way. But what they have that Kilman doesn't is aggression. They are really good with their duels, both aerially and on the ground.

I'm not sure if you can teach that aggression either. You either have it, or you don't.

Once Toti gains a bit more composure that comes with experience, Kilman could see himself get overtaken by him if he's not careful.

 

[so-called fan]

It's a very good finish. Then Salah (whose earlier goal should not have stood) applauds the VAR decision and basically says "bad luck" to Toti.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

I think a loan to the Championship could be just what he needs.

Has all the attributes in terms of pace, strength and wants to defend but has areas of his game that need to improve, including his use of the ball.

Realistically we aren't going to loan him this season as we'd need two centre-backs to arrive but maybe next season. Could turn out to be a very good defender.

 

[Urko]

He’s a ****in liability, has he got ants in his pants ?