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Will that be the last one in the San Siro?
I am not sure, but I think I recall reading that it may be 2026 before the San Siro hosts it’s final game.
Will that be the last one in the San Siro?
Wish I lived in your world!Generally, offsides have been more accepted (I feel anyway) in the football world when it comes to VAR
Haha, Maybe I'm off with that one, but I do feel the anger towards close offsides had died down after the first few months.Wish I lived in your world!
This may not be the case, as I understand it.Haha, Maybe I'm off with that one, but I do feel the anger towards close offsides had died down after the first few months.
It's going to be a LOT worse next season when this semi-automated stuff comes in. The reaction from fans when they see how marginal it will be is going to be incredible if yesterday is anything to go by.
Absolutely it’s too forensicFootball is no longer a sport.
It may be that there's some extra sympathy for Cov having their moment of pure joy snatched away, there may be some anti Man U sentiment too. Certainly the way it destroyed a great story has increased the profile of the decision.Yes, perhaps, probably right. But that's irrelevant now really as we would have a TV company showing us and once we saw it was offside then there would be outrage.
I firmly believe this is anti-United. Generally, offsides have been more accepted (I feel anyway) in the football world when it comes to VAR but because it's denied a great story, it's now getting criticised.
I do get that stance by the way. I just can't imagine people would be so understanding had Arsenal beat us 1-0 on Saturday night with a goal that we could see within 60 seconds that was offside!
This may not be the case, as I understand it.
The new automated system has been trialled in women's football in Denmark, and has generally been well-received.
A friend here who does a podcast on women's football here showed me some of the examples they use to explain the system, and it seems that avoiding the ultra-marginal calls, that fly in the face of a 100 years of reform of the offside law, is built into the interpretive algorithms of the system.
That would be a victory for reason and common sense, so lets not get our hopes up too high.
If you can accurately measure down to the millimetre then why would you want to measure less accurately that just increases cases where line is the wrong side on or off to actual position
Heard it all before though, the new tech will <insert fixed problem here> real question is can they? We see images above like they were taken with a 2011 smartphone, on a system with a frame rate of 50 frames per second.If you can accurately measure down to the millimetre then why would you want to measure less accurately that just increases cases where line is the wrong side on or off to actual position
What is more difficult is for the players themselves to judge if they are on or off down to the mm, but that could easy be solved e.g. if deemed on average a player can judge to 5cm if on or off then put the line 5cm in front of defender, but still measure that to the mm
Very clear explanation.....the technology does not support these margins of decision.Heard it all before though, the new tech will <insert fixed problem here> real question is can they? We see images above like they were taken with a 2011 smartphone, on a system with a frame rate of 50 frames per second.
For instance - traore runs at 36kmph so at 50 frames per send it’s potentially 20 cm between frames, at 120 fps it’s 8.3cm. Even a slow footballer and I mean slow 100m /15s slow, at 120 fps, it’s 5.5cm. This is probably ok if they simulate the position between frames taken on the before and after frames, but from what I’ve seen this is not the case.
On the semi automatic is the intention to show actual footage or simulated ? Simulated will be a problem as it will exaggerate the decision!
So the problem isn’t just the use of technology, and this is a big problem, it’s the tech itself which doesn’t appear to be fit for purpose!
the few minutes are just a placeholder for ad breaks mid game.Well, have they scrapped it yet? or is the entire country saying its a joke not quite enough?
The introduction of VAR in this country should be used as a case study in how not to do change management.
Absolute disaster from start to finish.
Regardless of any debate around whether the actual technology is fit for purpose, how can you possibly have a process which involves thousands of people wildly celebrating only to be told a few minutes later - "sorry, just kidding"
Which is why I said if. How accurate is a linesman in judging offside though and how consistent. Is the tech more or less accurate/consistentHeard it all before though, the new tech will <insert fixed problem here> real question is can they? We see images above like they were taken with a 2011 smartphone, on a system with a frame rate of 50 frames per second.
For instance - traore runs at 36kmph so at 50 frames per send it’s potentially 20 cm between frames, at 120 fps it’s 8.3cm. Even a slow footballer and I mean slow 100m /15s slow, at 120 fps, it’s 5.5cm. This is probably ok if they simulate the position between frames taken on the before and after frames, but from what I’ve seen this is not the case.
On the semi automatic is the intention to show actual footage or simulated ? Simulated will be a problem as it will exaggerate the decision!
So the problem isn’t just the use of technology, and this is a big problem, it’s the tech itself which doesn’t appear to be fit for purpose!
To be honest, we are probably not far from an acceptable compromise. Wenger said just draw the lines a bit thicker. And that would settle the vast majority of these margin calls. And restore the spirit of the game at the same time.Which is why I said if. How accurate is a linesman in judging offside though and how consistent is tech more or less accurate/consistent
Whatever method you use and whatever margin there will always be cases that are right on the line marginal one way or other within the error margin
The Wolves? Yes. Although it feels more of an obligation at this point.You'll be watching next Saturday and be back next season.
I visited the San Siro the day after the Torino match. Such a unique and special stadium. It seems criminal to knock it down and replace it with a smaller stadium in the car park.I am not sure, but I think I recall reading that it may be 2026 before the San Siro hosts it’s final game.
Looks like those plans to demolish it and for both clubs to head elsewhere have been ditched.I am not sure, but I think I recall reading that it may be 2026 before the San Siro hosts it’s final game.
Did the same the day after Torino....hangover cure.....I visited the San Siro the day after the Torino match. Such a unique and special stadium. It seems criminal to knock it down and replace it with a smaller stadium in the car park.
If this photo is genuine then Anthony joins the obnoxious little weed club with honoursView attachment 42112
If this photo is genuine then Anthony joins the obnoxious little weed club with honoursView attachment 42112
Where's Brian Kilcline when you need him!If this photo is genuine then Anthony joins the obnoxious little weed club with honoursView attachment 42112
When VAR decide that the ball has been kicked and has left the foot is a subjective decision. Also the lines drawn aren't always accurate. There is too much room for error and yet massive decisions are based on it. Until they come up with a better system I would ditch it.Well you are either on or off.
There’s a margin for error with Hawkeye as well, admittedly smaller.
The point is that the same process is applied to everyone for offsides. They draw the lines and there’s also a margin for error there.
YatesObnoxious 11 would contain
Martinez
Gibbs White
Richarlison
Anthony
Fernandez
Mings
Ashley Young
Feel free to add to the squad! Must be 2024 prem players
Ben White and Kurt Zouma.Obnoxious 11 would contain
Martinez
Gibbs White
Richarlison
Anthony
Fernandez
Mings
Ashley Young
Feel free to add to the squad! Must be 2024 prem players
Obnoxious 11 would contain
Martinez
Gibbs White
Richarlison
Anthony
Fernandez
Mings
Ashley Young
Feel free to add to the squad! Must be 2024 prem players
If they can measure with that degree of accuracy, change the law so that if any part of the attackers body is in line with any part of the defenders then he is 'onside'. Then we revert to what we have been trying to do for decades - give the advantage to the attacker.If you can accurately measure down to the millimetre then why would you want to measure less accurately that just increases cases where line is the wrong side on or off to actual position
What is more difficult is for the players themselves to judge if they are on or off down to the mm, but that could easy be solved e.g. if deemed on average a player can judge to 5cm if on or off then put the line 5cm in front of defender, but still measure that to the mm
Can’t be that libellous, you’ve only put their names on a list. Which may happen to more than one of them in the future.MartinezThat would be my team... some for reasons that are potentially libelous!
Coufal Martinez White Zouma Zinchenko
McGinn Partey
Antony Maupay MGW
In general, the old system relying on linesmen tended towards favouring the attacker. Most linesmen would only flag if they were sure it was offside as the game could be decided on a wrong call. In that context, always better to give a goal, than stop a goal.If they can measure with that degree of accuracy, change the law so that if any part of the attackers body is in line with any part of the defenders then he is 'onside'. Then we revert to what we have been trying to do for decades - give the advantage to the attacker.
At least he’s not doing it to a teenage ballboy.If this photo is genuine then Anthony joins the obnoxious little weed club with honoursView attachment 42112
In PL that would be scrutinised for 2 mins bull **** VARBoro 1-0 Leeds