Wolves finally told why Toti Gomes' goal was disallowed against Liverpool
Wolves have been in contact with the PGMOL about Toti Gomes' goal against Liverpool, and they have now responded.www.molineux.news
Totally laughable excuse.
Wolves finally told why Toti Gomes' goal was disallowed against Liverpool
Wolves have been in contact with the PGMOL about Toti Gomes' goal against Liverpool, and they have now responded.www.molineux.news
That’s exactly what the FA want us to believe and to forget it. But, IMO, we definitely shouldn’t let it end there,It's here somewhere. It was the cameraman's fault for zooming in. Nothing to see, move on...
The smoking gun in my opinion.All of the talk of camera's doesn't explain why the ref told the lino to put his flag up.
That’s exactly what the FA want us to believe and to forget it. But, IMO, we definitely shouldn’t let it end there,
The FA still haven’t explained the very irregular behaviour of the referee as the ball hits the net and Wolves players and fans are all celebrating. WE WANT THEM TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS!!!
In almost every match where a goal is scored, the referee actions are that, first, he looks over to the linesman to see if he has his raised his flag or not. Immediately after our goal, the linesman did NOT raise his flag and was retreating to the centre line!!!!!
Kinda as much as was expected eh. And no mention of why the ref told the linesman to put his flag up.It's here somewhere. It was the cameraman's fault for zooming in. Nothing to see, move on...
Also covered by.....Pretty common for there to be some discussion between the two. I.e.
lino - "I think Nunes was offside, did the ball go to him off a Wolves head, or a defender?"
ref - "yep, off Hwang - put your flag up!"
Also covered by.....
Ref "if it's offside VAR will pick it up".
One of the points of var is that it doesn't need the flag up when the ball has gone in the goal. All it has done in this instance is made it the onfield decision, which then can't be overturned. No flag = goal
Even that would would be very irregular and ridiculously amateurish behaviour, IMO.Pretty common for there to be some discussion between the two. I.e.
lino - "I think Nunes was offside, did the ball go to him off a Wolves head, or a defender?"
ref - "yep, off Hwang - put your flag up!"
Ithe post i replied to suggested the lino might think thst nunes might be offside. I'd say if he was certain he would have flagged straight away (as he apparently did according to the likes of gallagher) and not retreated off to halfway. Why, other than the point of this discussion; should it be called in "liverpool's favour just in case var can't overturn it". Surely benefit of doubt goes to attacking team. 'Clear and obvious' and 'onfield decision' has not really been a part of var offside. They put their silly lines out and decide whether it is on or off, and go with that, flag up or not. It should be a case of 'proving it isn't a goal', not proving it is. I stand by the thought that the ref had no business or need to tell him to put the flag up.But if the lino was (wrongly) certain Nunes was in an offside position, and almost certain it came off Hwang, then the correct thing to do is check with the ref the part he's not sure on, and then flag it.
Given VAR is generally reliable (albeit to the point of irritation with marginal calls) for offsides, to me that seems a lot more likely than the ref apparently thinking that there wouldn't be camera coverage, and so wanting to give the onfield call in Liverpool's favour just in case VAR can't overturn it.
Even that would would be very irregular and ridiculously amateurish behaviour, IMO.
If the linesman isn’t sure or the ref isn’t sure, the flag should NOT be raised and a goal should’ve be awarded/ indicated. That’s what VAR is for!! To check clear & obvious errors!! If VAR hadn’t got a camera angle or Dean was asleep, then the goal should’ve been awarded.
Can you imagine what would have happened if Liverpool had “scored” a goal like this down at the Kop end???!! (Goal would have been indicated straight away by the ref and no conversation at all like the linesman suggesting “I think it might be offside…..”.)
As you can tell, I’m still spitting feathers about the whole stinking affair over our disallowed winner.
Yes most people would have agreed with you in the past - not now it's just too obvious. Because they see that their actions have been largely dismissed as simple errors by the usual suspects they are now acting in plain sight. Remember the BBC and Sky are a massive part of the problem as they will never challenge the establishment.I have little sympathy with the officials, but I do think that huge incompetence is more likely than conspiracy. As above, it could have gone:
Don't get me wrong, I'm still seething too. But I think all this cloak and dagger stuff with Madeley and Dean quickly cooking up a tissue of lies is just paranoia.
I don't think you are right that it is a conscious conspiracy, but I think you are on to something about "challenging the establishment".Yes most people would have agreed with you in the past - not now it's just too obvious. Because they see that their actions have been largely dismissed as simple errors by the usual suspects they are now acting in plain sight. Remember the BBC and Sky are a massive part of the problem as they will never challenge the establishment.
Re your last para the problem is that you could make very similar comments about any combo PGMOL offered. The basic issue is that they are ALL absolutely crap. That's why English officials haven't been involved much past the group stages in any major international tournament since Pontius was a pilot.....That’s exactly what the FA want us to believe and to forget it. But, IMO, we definitely shouldn’t let it end there,
The FA still haven’t explained the very irregular behaviour of the referee as the ball hits the net and Wolves players and fans are all celebrating. WE WANT THEM TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS!!!
In almost every match where a goal is scored, the referee actions are that, first, he looks over to the linesman to see if he has his raised his flag or not. Immediately after our goal, the linesman did NOT raise his flag and was retreating to the centre line!!!!!
When the ball hit the net, instead of pointing towards the centre spot and awarding the goal - since he sees the linesman has his flag down AND retreating to the centre line, you can clearly see the referee striding towards the linesman and gesturing to him to put his flag up! THIS IS HIGHLY IRREGULAR BEHAVIOUR FOR A REFEREE when a goal is scored.
The fact that the FA have totally ignored this very pertinent question raised by our letter speaks volumes for me. They are covering up for Madley, the refere, as they could not explain his actions other than to say it was his decision to disallow the goal. IMV, Mike Dean’s claim that there was no definitive camera angle to prove/ disprove whether Nunes was offside or not is a load of b***£#)t. The referee went out of his way to disallow the goal immediately, without any evidence at all.
The whole matter stinks something rotten.
We need to keep raising this question with the FA until we get an answer, fo the sake of football and fair play.
Then to top it all, to really make matters worse, the FA appoint Andre Marriner (a Villa fan) as ref and Stuart Attwell (whom awarded Man Utd that ridiculous offside goal at the weekend) as VAR official for our replay tomorrow evening!!!
The only way for the goal to be ruled out is if the linesmen wrongly flags it.But if the lino was (wrongly) certain Nunes was in an offside position, and almost certain it came off Hwang, then the correct thing to do is check with the ref the part he's not sure on, and then flag it.
Given VAR is generally reliable (albeit to the point of irritation with marginal calls) for offsides, to me that seems a lot more likely than the ref apparently thinking that there wouldn't be camera coverage, and so wanting to give the onfield call in Liverpool's favour just in case VAR can't overturn it.
The only way for the goal to be ruled out is if the linesmen wrongly flags it.
This is what is done in a delayed fashion after the ref has had chance to speak to VAR official and signal to the lineman what he must do.
This is NOT to establish if there is an offside as that would be done automatically in any case, (as we have seen on multiple occasions).
In other words, an irregular procedure is followed to rule out a goal where the key player is not even close to being offside.
I'm not so sure about that (incompetence), the more different excuses come out, but nothing yet about the refs instruction, the more it looks like bias, the most charitable I can think of is unconscious bias.I have little sympathy with the officials, but I do think that huge incompetence is more likely than conspiracy. As above, it could have gone:
Ref - All okay?
Linesman - Unless it came off a Wolves man, in which case offside.
Ref - It did - flag up.
VAR does require the onfield officials to make a decision. They can't just do nothing and leave it to VAR. As Saturday - Raul was flagged off then VAR checked it, that's what's supposed to happen if the linesman believed it was off.
Linesman clearly was watching a different game at Anfield. He may also have completely missed that there was a second touch and that Nunes was clearly onside from that one.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still seething too. But I think all this cloak and dagger stuff with Madeley and Dean quickly cooking up a tissue of lies is just paranoia.
Is there an explanation of why the linesman flagged in the first place? The *cough* no evidence *cough* from the Var is one thing, but the lino running up the field before the ref telling him to put the flag up is another.
Yes I agree I do believe there is at least unconscious bias at work as well. They will always be more prepared to disallow a non-Sky Six goal.I'm not so sure about that (incompetence), the more different excuses come out, but nothing yet about the refs instruction, the more it looks like bias, the most charitable I can think of is unconscious bias.
OK Prince Harry.I'm not so sure about that (incompetence), the more different excuses come out, but nothing yet about the refs instruction, the more it looks like bias, the most charitable I can think of is unconscious bias.
He doesn't hesitate at all he starts jogging.He definitely didn't flag... but from memory, he kinda hesitates and walks a step or two towards the half way line... certainly doesn't act in any way to indicate he thinks it is offside, or that it is definitely a goal.
What an insult.OK Prince Harry.
The replay of Raul’s goal on Saturday shows it was disallowed by VAR as he was assumed to be offside when Ait-Nouri headed it on. Didn’t the defender then get a touch and head it on as well, therefore playing him onside like Salah last week?
Should be 3-1Anyone with nothing better to do want to create a massive banner saying "We've won this 3-2 already?" We're on the beeb after all.
Very true. I get the ‘official’ reason that the VAR officials will hide behind, but in simple terms it looks like one defender accidentally heading the ball on gives Salah a goal and yet another defender accidentally heading the ball on still denies Raul a goal.Was (correctly according to the rules) deemed an unintended deflection off the defender, rather than an intentional action to play the ball, meaning the offside is at the point the ball is played by the attacker, but Salah becomes onside as an intention action was made. Utter joke of a rule, which basically everyone agrees.
Or a massive “Why Are We Here? PGMOL!” banner.Anyone with nothing better to do want to create a massive banner saying "We've won this 3-2 already?" We're on the beeb after all.
Perhaps it would only be a big story if the bias/corruption/incompetence were to negatively impact the status quo instead of further strengthening it?Why wouldn’t the BBC and Sky challenge the system if the reffing is either, corrupt or incompetent? Newspapers and tv would make more money from a big story.