Summer 2023 Transfer Window Thread

[SteveBullsKnee]

Yep.

I really think people have to get their heads around the worst case scenario. Everything they tell us is a lie.

In my opinion, we need to expect the worst. They are selling whoever they get offers for. They are putting nothing in. FFP is the excuse but we know it's not the case, and it can only wash for one window anyway.

We need a sale desperately.

Well that’s not the case is it. Realistically we’ve lost one guaranteed starter in neves plus a load of squad players. If we were selling any player we got an offer for then several others would be gone. It would make no financial sense to do that either because as the Albion have showed, dropping out the premier league significantly affects a sale value, currently they’re looking at a £170 million loss at the poorthornes and still can’t sell it

 

[Minimalist]

These are saying we're back in for Cresswell and looks like a deal is on (mentioned 1min 40 seconds in)

I just don’t get the desire to buy Cresswell.
Even if RAN and Jonny leave i still think it would be better to go for Elvedi and allow Toti to cover lb.

Only thing I can think is they want Mosquera to be our 4th cb when he returns in January.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Well that’s not the case is it. Realistically we’ve lost one guaranteed starter in neves plus a load of squad players. If we were selling any player we got an offer for then several others would be gone. It would make no financial sense to do that either because as the Albion have showed, dropping out the premier league significantly affects a sale value, currently they’re looking at a £170 million loss at the poorthornes and still can’t sell it

I don't think they care one bit about the long-term.

To me, they look in a desperate situation. We have three centre-backs ffs!

Let's see who else goes before the deadline.

 

[lets all have a disco]

I just don’t get the desire to buy Cresswell.
Even if RAN and Jonny leave i still think it would be better to go for Elvedi and allow Toti to cover lb.

Only thing I can think is they want Mosquera to be our 4th cb when he returns in January.

October mosequera could be back ...but I still think we will get elvidi

 

[Matt]

We can't sell either. Guedes is injured, and will go back to Benfica on loan. No-one wants podence, or he prefers to see his contract out like Adama.

No, if anyone goes it will be players we would prefer to keep. And it's not odd. Fosun need the money.

It is odd, because that’s not what Tim Spiers is saying.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I don't think they care one bit about the long-term.

To me, they look in a desperate situation. We have three centre-backs ffs!

Let's see who else goes before the deadline.

if they’re desperate they sell the club, not the players as ones worth more than the others. Fosun as a group are in a financial hole but we’re such a tiny tiny part we don’t affect their amount of debt or indeed the servicing of it

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

if they’re desperate they sell the club, not the players as ones worth more than the others. Fosun as a group are in a financial hole but we’re such a tiny tiny part we don’t affect their amount of debt or indeed the servicing of it

We clearly impact that some way, because after selling £90m worth of players, they want to sell even more, not bring anyone in, and increase our chances of relegation!

 

[Joshwolf218]

October mosequera could be back ...but I still think we will get elvidi

Wouldn to wait until Jan to register him

 

[Joshwolf218]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689700326121562113

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689710407307370496

Who knows anymore what's going on

 

[JamesWolves]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689700326121562113

Wolverhampton opens talks with Corinthians for MurilloClub is willing to pay BRL 64.1 million for hiring the defender, but value is considered low by Timão |
@GoalBR

 

[JamesWolves]

https://www.3addedminutes.com/competitions/premier-league/the-wonderkid-files-murillo-ps17m-brazilian-star-nottingham-forest-transfer-wish-list-4250409

Sounds like a potential Kilman replacement if he's sold

 

[lobodelsur]

I think they are scrambling around trying to save Fosun as a whole, I don't think they'll be too worried what happens to us

I don't disagree, but we are a tiny dot on their radar into which they have sunk a significant sum of money which will surely be lost if they asset-strip.

 

[rincewind]

https://www.3addedminutes.com/competitions/premier-league/the-wonderkid-files-murillo-ps17m-brazilian-star-nottingham-forest-transfer-wish-list-4250409

Sounds like a potential Kilman replacement if he's sold

My thoughts as well. Suppose depending on the financial requirements Fosun want we 'could ' sell Killman and buy this guy and Elvedi and still make a decent profit.

 

[5150]

https://www.3addedminutes.com/competitions/premier-league/the-wonderkid-files-murillo-ps17m-brazilian-star-nottingham-forest-transfer-wish-list-4250409

Sounds like a potential Kilman replacement if he's sold

Sounds like an additional CB for the squad to me

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

It is odd, because that’s not what Tim Spiers is saying.

Spiers said no money for new players, but to expect more outgoing. I don't know anymore than anyone else, but given the way its going, I suspect the likes of Ait Nouri, Silva and Kilman to be next.

I really, really hope to be wrong.

 

[JOSWolf]

We clearly need to be sold ASAP in my opinion. I dread to think what the clowns in charge are going to do before the transfer deadline. Many more sales and we are in serious trouble this coming season.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Spiers said no money for new players, but to expect more outgoing. I don't know anymore than anyone else, but given the way its going, I suspect the likes of Ait Nouri, Silva and Kilman to be next.

I really, really hope to be wrong.

How does Spiers nw exactly.... shouldn't he be writing about Kane and Bayern Munich....

 

[Irish_Wolf]

Who is left available on a Bosman ffs

 

[lobodelsur]

It’s guess work on my part but it’s the only thing I can think of that matches and joins up the narrative. Lots of people are saying we shouldn’t have FFP trouble considering sales to date but the club are telling reporters we do.

It makes (very depressing) sense tho'. But, (and I'm no financial guru), isn't underwriting simply guaranteeing or insuring our debts ? So there would be little immediate financial benefit for Fosun to withdraw that underwriting ?

 

[hollo]

Who is left available on a Bosman ffs

Not much left.

 

[Minimalist]

October mosequera could be back ...but I still think we will get elvidi

Is that correct?
I thought the point at which we could recall him before the end of their season had already passed??

 

[Joshwolf218]

Is that correct?
I thought the point at which we could recall him before the end of their season had already passed??

Their season finishes October November, we extended his loan there

The earliest he could be registered is Jan 1st

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Who is left available on a Bosman ffs

No money for loans or free transfers either it seems. Again, hope to be proved wrong.

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689700326121562113

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689710407307370496

Who knows anymore what's going on

No one does, and probably those really in the know, don't spread it on a message board.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Is that correct?
I thought the point at which we could recall him before the end of their season had already passed??

Not sure how it works... but the season finishes in October.....can we keep a foreign place for him....I don't nw if we can.....if we name him

Think we will sign a centre back anyway........and maybe a loan.....but I might be hoping ...

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

It makes (very depressing) sense tho'. But, (and I'm no financial guru), isn't underwriting simply guaranteeing or insuring our debts ? So there would be little immediate financial benefit for Fosun to withdraw that underwriting ?

I think that’s the case but whether they want to given their credit issues elsewhere I don’t know. I wouldn’t put it past them just to be pig headed.

In Shi’s letter he says it’s a ‘benign’ problem. It doesn’t look very benign from where I’m looking.

 

[luiandlui]

We clearly need to be sold ASAP in my opinion. I dread to think what the clowns in charge are going to do before the transfer deadline. Many more sales and we are in serious trouble this coming season.

Fosun have no intention of selling. Just to see out their current financial problems. It could be that the next few years are just about staying up before investment can begin again

 

[Novawolf1]

I wouldn’t trust him doing that either. Hopefully he’s restricted to playing with his eGamer friends.

Maybe he’s the link for a senior Fosun team doing the hard business…?

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Spiers said no money for new players, but to expect more outgoing. I don't know anymore than anyone else, but given the way its going, I suspect the likes of Ait Nouri, Silva and Kilman to be next.

I really, really hope to be wrong.

The glass half full type might say we still have players like Jonny and Podence in the outbound waiting room, and we could bring in more freebies and loans.

The glass half empty type might say Kilman, RAN and Silva might be sold and replaced cheaply with the likes of Cresswell and Elvedi, and we will make do with Cunha and Sasa up front.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

We clearly impact that some way, because after selling £90m worth of players, they want to sell even more, not bring anyone in, and increase our chances of relegation!

The debt is 40 billion dollars. What affect is £90 million on that?

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Fosun have no intention of selling. Just to see out their current financial problems. It could be that the next few years are just about staying up before investment can begin again

Fosun aren’t investing again. This summer is all about repaying what we spent last summer and in January. Sure we will likely spend a little more next season if we stay up, but it will be self funded, as it has been since the end of the first season in the PL.

 

[Bryce]

First we end up with Bournemouth's 2nd rate sacked manager, now we end up losing out to with Scott to them, we're goner regret both of them

Horse****

O Neil is worth a punt. The Bournemouth squad was nowhere near as good as ours and he kept them up by a distance. Give him a chance

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

The debt is 40 billion dollars. What affect is £90 million on that?

So why are they actively making us worse?

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

So why are they actively making us worse?

Cash flow, making us self sufficient

 

[Redrockwanderer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689700326121562113

Wolverhampton opens talks with Corinthians for MurilloClub is willing to pay BRL 64.1 million for hiring the defender, but value is considered low by Timão |
@GoalBR

Wasn’t this the same individual who broke the Joao Gomes deal!?

 

[tonto]

The glass half full type might say we still have players like Jonny and Podence in the outbound waiting room, and we could bring in more freebies and loans.

The glass half empty type might say Kilman, RAN and Silva might be sold and replaced cheaply with the likes of Cresswell and Elvedi, and we will make do with Cunha and Sasa up front.

My ****ing glass is bone dry with a crack in the bottom

 

[SuperGran]

My ****ing glass is bone dry with a crack in the bottom

Can you give it to @northnorfolkwolf he doesn’t seem to have a glass at all

 

[tonto]

Can you give it to @northnorfolkwolf he doesn’t seem to have a glass at all

I am close to smashing it up the wall, and I am a happy clapper, booze being the only answer looks like drinking from the bottle
Vodka at that

 

[The Clock]

The debt is 40 billion dollars. What affect is £90 million on that?

Source?
I thought it was about 10 billion dollars .
Point still valid though

 

[ade123]

Source?
I thought it was about 10 billion dollars .
Point still valid though

Thing is Fosun will have the debt tied up in corporate bonds which become repayable over different time periods either as 100% of that particular bond issue or as a dividend on that bond. What they need to service for the particular period will be different each time depending on the bond rate and if its reached maturity. So £90 million could be a significant contributor to what is owed at that particular time. For Fosun failure to pay the total debt for the period would probably mean they default and their credit rating would be lowered meaning their borrowing costs rise.