So Neves.....

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

but many people on here think kante is the best player in the prem.will chelsea play saul?
no one is saying neves is the best player in the world.you don`t think neves would play better with better players?

They want Kante as more of an 8 (which he does anyway, Kovacic often sits deeper than him) and Saul as a true 6. He might play better, but a midfielder who specialises in long passes isn't what a possession based team wants. Why he has some of his worst games when we dominate the ball.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

They want Kante as more of an 8 (which he does anyway, Kovacic often sits deeper than him) and Saul as a true 6. He might play better, but a midfielder who specialises in long passes isn't what a possession based team wants. Why he has some of his worst games when we dominate the ball.

neves played 1978 passes last season 1478 were accurate short passes and 198 inaccurate short passes
wouldn`t say that was specialising in long passes

 

[sedgwolf1980]

I’m not in the slightest bit itk on this, but still don’t think Neves will leave just yet. Maybe I’m naive, I just think if anything this is his season to really shine with us.

 

[MasWolf]

I’m not in the slightest bit itk on this, but still don’t think Neves will leave just yet. Maybe I’m naive, I just think if anything this is his season to really shine with us.

You'd think with a new manager who favours attacking, he'd be well accommodated here. I reckon he could really excel under Lage and be a throwback to the Neves of the Championship. However, i think the rumours are too strong unfortunately, and he will be off to Arsenal.

 

[Deleted member 11332]

Disagree. He is a very tidy player all round. Great first touch and control even when under pressure. We will miss him massively IF he leaves.

Tidy indeed. He's not progressive or incisive unless it's a long pass.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

I’m not in the slightest bit itk on this, but still don’t think Neves will leave just yet. Maybe I’m naive, I just think if anything this is his season to really shine with us.

think he deserves to play for a better team than us

 

[WS10Wolf]

think he deserves to play for a better team than us

He does, but that ain’t Arsenal.

 

[Flea]

Disagree. He is a very tidy player all round. Great first touch and control even when under pressure. We will miss him massively IF he leaves.

Disagree.
We haven´t gotten much out of him as a footballer last two years.Continues to struggle to find a firm place with a Portugal side on their way down.
I fail too see the greatness in Ruben Neves last two years.They say he is good,and still we get´s overrunned in central midfield on a permanent basis and still I see Ruben being close to a Karl Henry as positive impact is concerned.
A great past will only carry you thus far...I say it is good biz to get rid for around 40 Mill.
Ruben Neves ain´t evolution.Not the way he´s played for the last couple of years.

They say it´s the brand of the football..I say it´s bull.It is downright stupid,was it is.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Tidy indeed. He's not progressive or incisive unless it's a long pass.

think it`s been argued on here that neves is the only prem. player to have 60+ interceptions and tackles
because we were under so much pressure last season(like the alamo one mixer said)
that he had to do that.so in that case not much chance to be progressive but to repeat another stat.
in the top 7% in the top euro leagues for interceptions leading to a shot on goal

 

[reanswolf]

I love Ruben, he has given us 4 years of his career. 3 of them simply fantastic........then we allowed a decline to set in, as well as suffering appalling injury problems.

If he wants a change, he would go with my broken heart but also my full blessing.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Disagree.
We haven´t gotten much out of him as a footballer last two years.Continues to struggle to find a firm place with a Portugal side on their way down.
I fail too see the greatness in Ruben Neves last two years.They say he is good,and still we get´s overrunned in central midfield on a permanent basis and still I see Ruben being close to a Karl Henry as positive impact is concerned.
A great past will only carry you thus far...I say it is good biz to get rid for around 40 Mill.
Ruben Neves ain´t evolution.Not the way he´s played for the last couple of years.

They say it´s the brand of the football..I say it´s bull.It is downright stupid,was it is.

changed your opinion since you said he was an excellent footballer

 

[Flea]

changed your opinion since you said he was an excellent footballer

No...I did not.

A page has two sides.

 

[Woburn Wolf]

Tidy indeed. He's not progressive or incisive unless it's a long pass.

Completely disagree but I guess it is all about opinions.

 

[Don Corleone]

Ok. Experience tells me that when someone wants to leave, let them go. As much as you promise them or persuade them it’s the right thing for them, they ultimately leave in the end... But, if he genuinely wants to stay and is committed then build a team around him, give him runners off him and build a dynasty with him at the centre of it. It could be great.
But...we also seem to need money for investment, in which case it’s out of his hands.
Either way, easily the best midfielder I have seen and probably will see in my lifetime supporting our great club. Unreal strikes on goal, sublime passing and in my view future leader.
Whatever the outcome it’s been, (hopefully will be), a hell of a ride and I’m grateful for being able to watch him grace our turf and win our adoration. Ruben Neves...Wolf, Legend, Leader...we’re at your feet.
Only if you’re staying, for goodness sake practice your shooting!
#COYW!

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

No...I did not.

A page has two sides.

a piece of paper is 3 dimensional

 

[Warrington_Wolf]

Although I acknowledge every player has a price, I think it will be difficult to improve consistently if there’s a constant conveyor belt of players.

Surely there needs to be some stability, particularly through the spine of the team and I would hope that would start with Neves. Middle of the park, now a senior player and a leader.

Particularly in a summer where we will probably lose two senior players in Patricio and Moutinho, and how the team struggled to adapt last season, I think it is important we try to keep him.

 

[Deleted member 11332]

think it`s been argued on here that neves is the only prem. player to have 60+ interceptions and tackles
because we were under so much pressure last season(like the alamo one mixer said)
that he had to do that.so in that case not much chance to be progressive but to repeat another stat.
in the top 7% in the top euro leagues for interceptions leading to a shot on goal

Because that's what he's good at.

 

[Woburn Wolf]

Disagree.
We haven´t gotten much out of him as a footballer last two years.Continues to struggle to find a firm place with a Portugal side on their way down.
I fail too see the greatness in Ruben Neves last two years.They say he is good,and still we get´s overrunned in central midfield on a permanent basis and still I see Ruben being close to a Karl Henry as positive impact is concerned.
A great past will only carry you thus far...I say it is good biz to get rid for around 40 Mill.
Ruben Neves ain´t evolution.Not the way he´s played for the last couple of years.

They say it´s the brand of the football..I say it´s bull.It is downright stupid,was it is.

Totally disagree. If we have been overrun in midfield it is mainly due to being one short in midfield as a result of having an extra defender. He has also had the ageing Moutinho or the under performing Donk alongside him. If we keep him, adopt a more attacking style and put someone quality alongside him he will be a revelation in my opinion. As I have said on other threads he should be the last player we let go unless he is adamant that this is what he wants. Oh and by the way to compare him with Karl Henry absolutely beggars belief.

 

[Deleted member 9202LYK]

Fosun = Investment Company

Diogo Jota bought for £13mil, sold for 42mil plus add-ons.

Ruben Neves bought for 16mil, potentially to be sold for minimum £35mil?

That strikes me as incredibly good business, not many other investments, even bricks and mortar can’t match such a quick return over 4 years!

I’m sure another Jota and Neves will come along in the meantime on the Mendes Carousel Express!

Neto is already here

 

[Woburn Wolf]

Although I acknowledge every player has a price, I think it will be difficult to improve consistently if there’s a constant conveyor belt of players.

Surely there needs to be some stability, particularly through the spine of the team and I would hope that would start with Neves. Middle of the park, now a senior player and a leader.

Particularly in a summer where we will probably lose two senior players in Patricio and Moutinho, and how the team struggled to adapt last season, I think it is important we try to keep him.

Somewhat understated re Neves but true.

 

[Lycaon]

Neto is already here

Absolutely! If Neto is sold within the next 1/2 years then kind of proves my point?!
There will be others to follow in their footsteps, so nothing to be too concerned about.

 

[Manic88]

In preparation for any announcement on Neves leaving in the next few weeks......

1) As with Jota 's sale entirely negative imv unless we can get at least £50m for him (which is unlikely though not impossible). £35m or so would be an absolute travesty for an international who at 24 will reach his peak in the next couple of years. Arguably our most important player and future captain.
2) Three years to run on his contract - so no pressure to sell.
3) He embodies the whole Fosun 'project'. Selling him sends a huge negative signal to the first team squad, the supporters and players we might want to bring in, whatever blather there is about him needing to move on, re-building funds etc etc
4) You need a core of quality players in any squad around whom you build. You can't keep getting away with selling your best players in the expectation that equally good players will be queuing up to replace them. They won't.
5) Selling to immediate rivals like Arsenal is entirely counter-productive. You just widen the gap between the clubs. It means starting the season on the back foot with inferior replacements - don't kid yourself the club will be able to replace like with like on its apparently limited budget.
6)Yes he did not have a good season in 20/21 but apart from Neto nor did anyone. He has played a hell of a lot of matches and needs a break. There is a quality player there who will be coveted by top European teams despite that lapse.
7) Instead of selling him for xx make him captain increase his salary and perhaps the length of his contract - turn the current negative vibe surrounding the club around.
8) While there is an argument for letting older players like Rui and Moutinho go post Nuno that does not mean you should shift out younger ones who have a huge amount to contribute in the future.
9) Instead of 'courting bids' as has been indicated shut the bloody door in our rivals faces and make it absolutely clear in the press he is staying under Lage.
10) None of that pathetic crap about how can we keep a player when a top six club come calling..... we have to bow down and be grateful for their interest and take any offer coming. .Do Fosun want to make Wolves a club on a par with at least Arsenal or not? Selling your crown jewels only works if you get huge fees for them which allows you to properly strengthen and revive a squad - as when Liverpool sold Coutinho or Leicester sold Maguire. Even £50m is not that much these days at the top end of the game.

More could be said but I don't think Shi and co fully realise that the negative mindset building up around the club post Nuno is going to build and build if our best players are sold and inferior ones replace them. Lage already has a very tough job and it is so important that the club and supporters get fully behind him from the off.

Of course some will disagree with the above and say Neves is not that good, you can't do anything when a player gets a taste for a big move etc.. But at the end of the day my concern after last summer's awful transfer dealing is that the club could easily be on a slippery slope if it is not careful. We need a much stronger sound from the club about the future. The last conversations with Shi and co were welcome but the overall impression was one of stagnation and mid table mentality as being more than acceptable for now with a vague hope that young players will mature in the future etc. FFP or not the club needs to make sure this squad is good enough to compete. At the moment, only because of Jiminez and Neto returning at some point do I believe we should survive another season. But at the moment 'survive' seems good enough and that is a far cry from peak Nuno time when things looked so positive for the future.

I think if you could have made it to 10 points rather than 9 they would have decided not to sell him

 

[bod101]

Firstly I don't want our best player to leave.

However I accept he may want to, but this season is the wrong time. There are going to be too many new players to integrate, a new manager and back room team and a new playing style. All this talk from people saying we could get all these players is a bit daft. There is no guarantee that all these players coming in are going a. Settle or b. Adapt to the Premier league. We need as little disruption to the squad as possible, we have spent a out 70mil each season so maybe keep the stars this season and add to them.

 

[OLDGOLD]

think he deserves to play for a better team than us

We could be that better team with a more attacking mindset...

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

We could be that better team with a more attacking mindset...

bruno won`t need defensive mid fielders it`s going to be all out attack
attack attack attack!

 

[NewarkWolf]

Firstly I don't want our best player to leave.

However I accept he may want to, but this season is the wrong time. There are going to be too many new players to integrate, a new manager and back room team and a new playing style. All this talk from people saying we could get all these players is a bit daft. There is no guarantee that all these players coming in are going a. Settle or b. Adapt to the Premier league. We need as little disruption to the squad as possible, we have spent a out 70mil each season so maybe keep the stars this season and add to them.

In an ideal world yes totally but some may feel its the right time to look elsewhere if the attraction off clubs of greater stature is there. Neves, traore to bigger and clubs with Rui and João to reduce the wage bill.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

neves played 1978 passes last season 1478 were accurate short passes and 198 inaccurate short passes
wouldn`t say that was specialising in long passes

Most of those passes are irrelevant, he rarely passes forward through the lines it is either sideways or a big raking switch

 

[Wigan Wolf]

I thought this was a player we would be building a team around.
In the many years I have supported Wolves the sale of Rúben would trouble my love of the club. It certainly eclipses the sale of Lescott, Keane and probably Nuno leaving.

 

[DarloWolf]

Most of those passes are irrelevant, he rarely passes forward through the lines it is either sideways or a big raking switch

2bf i think that's how he gets told to play/pass

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Most of those passes are irrelevant, he rarely passes forward through the lines it is either sideways or a big raking switch

yes 2000 passes don`t count what about the passes leading to a shot on target. what through the lines and to which player are you talking about?
I thought a defensive player won the ball and gave it to more creative players

 

[Cousins78]

Arsenal in talks with brighton for ben white 40 to 50 mill, can they afford neves?

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

Arsenal in talks with brighton for ben white 40 to 50 mill, can they afford neves?

we will be lucky to get rid of him on a free according to some on here

 

[Planty]

His future will be decided after the euros I reckon, if he performs well one of the CL clubs will get him for 45m+, probably utd

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

yes 2000 passes don`t count what about the passes leading to a shot on target. what through the lines and to which player are you talking about?
I thought a defensive player won the ball and gave it to more creative players

quick edit,65% of his passes are progressive passes inother words forward

 

[George AlooGobi]

They want Kante as more of an 8 (which he does anyway, Kovacic often sits deeper than him) and Saul as a true 6. He might play better, but a midfielder who specialises in long passes isn't what a possession based team wants. Why he has some of his worst games when we dominate the ball.

When did a 6 become a central midfielder? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I notice this more and more lately

When I started watching football 5 and 6 were always central defenders, unless my memory is shot (which is quite possible)

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

When did a 6 become a central midfielder? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I notice this more and more lately

When I started watching football 5 and 6 were always central defenders, unless my memory is shot (which is quite possible)

You're absolutely correct typical UK numbering was that, but as the positions have defined jobs in modern game people use ze German numbering system which has always assigned roles to shirts.

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Arsenal in talks with brighton for ben white 40 to 50 mill, can they afford neves?

If that is the amount that White is rated at then what is Neves's true value?

 

[Ian]

I’m not in the slightest bit itk on this, but still don’t think Neves will leave just yet. Maybe I’m naive, I just think if anything this is his season to really shine with us.

Unfortunately I think its a foregone conclusion he's on his way ( personal opinion of course as i'm the least ITK person on here!)
Which will be sadly ironic if Moutinho goes aswell, as I believe having Mouts in the team has stifled Neves development and influence on the team and games he's involved in.
As I also agree with you that 21/22 could have been Rubens season with a more progressive coach building the team around him.

 

[Flea]

Unfortunately I think its a foregone conclusion he's on his way ( personal opinion of course as i'm the least ITK person on here!)
Which will be sadly ironic if Moutinho goes aswell, as I believe having Mouts in the team has stifled Neves development and influence on the team and games he's involved in.
As I also agree with you that 21/22 could have been Rubens season with a more progressive coach building the team around him.

...but we do agree that Traore isn´t to be sold at any price right?
Fudging hell,,if he is on against us Monday he´ll rip us to absolute pieces..we have no defence(Will Griggs or otherwise)

You love Adama..the uniqie player that he is.

I´m sure of it..or are you more of a Donk,Karl Henry type a fellow..:_)

 

[VancouverWolf]

Firstly I don't want our best player to leave.

However I accept he may want to, but this season is the wrong time. There are going to be too many new players to integrate, a new manager and back room team and a new playing style. All this talk from people saying we could get all these players is a bit daft. There is no guarantee that all these players coming in are going a. Settle or b. Adapt to the Premier league. We need as little disruption to the squad as possible, we have spent a out 70mil each season so maybe keep the stars this season and add to them.

I agree, except not sure if Neves is our best player, however, we do have a decent squad, although it could do with some improvements. We still ended up in 13 th……even with all the injuries.
The only possible fly in the ointment is that surely at least one or two of our players probably want to leave after last seasons performance. It’d be a miracle if they didn’t. And if there was any hesitation about leaving, then Nuno’s exit might have been the final straw.