Westbakejazz
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Yeah must be the former of my postYour truth, not THE truth.
Yeah must be the former of my postYour truth, not THE truth.
Fair comment, albeit that if you believe that your own take on things is anything different......Your truth, not THE truth.
Many poor sides have talented individuals within them that move on to better clubs. Look at James Maddison.Jeez, if there is any truth in that we are recreating last season's crap Bournemouth team. Bloody awful idea.
True, but the individuals mentioned don't qualify under those criteria.Many poor sides have talented individuals within them that move on to better clubs. Look at James Maddison.
I bow to your superior knowledge, never having been a Premier League manager myself.True, but the individuals mentioned don't qualify under those criteria.
No, I believe **** is bad. I just don’t feel that calling Jeff and Fosun all the names under the sun because of it, is warranted. It’s not Jeff’s fault, Fosun aren’t asset stripping, they’d like to keep being owners of WW Ltd and to do that, they’ve had to make tough financial decisions.Fair comment, albeit that if you believe that your own take on things is anything different......
It’s proper strange that Fosun and Jeff are vilified for taking decisions to keep the club solvent
On paper, the new iteration of FFP, now called Financial Sustainability, should allow for clubs to very often make profits. Whereas now,"Solvent" has a different meaning in the Premier League though. Clubs are allowed, even forced to have losses of 35 million quid a year to comply with FFP. I say forced because if every other club is taking that loss then Wolves will have to to keep up.
So what's the point of an EPL club as an investment if it needs subsidising? The only reason could be that the club grows in value as the Prem increases in popularity worldwide and more money is pumped into it.
I wonder if Fosun have the appetite for it
At the end of the day it's the owners decision how much they chose to loose. No one can say fosun haven't pumped money into Wolves and it's clear something has changed. Maybe they are suffering financially, maybe the ccp have had a word about foreign investment, or maybe it is just a change in strategy. Maybe they are being influenced by Hobbs wanting to take a more Brighton approach?
The recruitment team must have been getting pretty feedup of doing loads of work for the club to ignore it and call Mendes. Maybe they are clearing the decks and stopping the Guedes/Semedo £30m type buys and trying a different approach - one I have hoped for personally.
Valuing a player is hard, getting players to settle is hard, keeping them happy is hard but getting those £5m - £10m gems that really want to be here has to be worth a go - is it any more risky than punting over £100m on the likes of Guedes, Cunha, and Silva?
I really don't belive this nonsense about asset stripping, in no way is it in Fosun's interest even if they were selling up.
This is just a change in strategy force by economics, politics, or maybe a loss of faith in the Mendes carousel?
You need to read how bad the scouting and recruitment team at spurs have it with Levy……At the end of the day it's the owners decision how much they chose to loose. No one can say fosun haven't pumped money into Wolves and it's clear something has changed. Maybe they are suffering financially, maybe the ccp have had a word about foreign investment, or maybe it is just a change in strategy. Maybe they are being influenced by Hobbs wanting to take a more Brighton approach?
The recruitment team must have been getting pretty feedup of doing loads of work for the club to ignore it and call Mendes. Maybe they are clearing the decks and stopping the Guedes/Semedo £30m type buys and trying a different approach - one I have hoped for personally.
Valuing a player is hard, getting players to settle is hard, keeping them happy is hard but getting those £5m - £10m gems that really want to be here has to be worth a go - is it any more risky than punting over £100m on the likes of Guedes, Cunha, and Silva?
I really don't belive this nonsense about asset stripping, in no way is it in Fosun's interest even if they were selling up.
This is just a change in strategy force by economics, politics, or maybe a loss of faith in the Mendes carousel?
Completely agree with this.On paper, the new iteration of FFP, now called Financial Sustainability, should allow for clubs to very often make profits. Whereas now,
as you point out, they dont in the vast majority of seasons. Indeed, as you again point out, acceptance of losses have been built into the financial regulations, up until now.
Clubs arent going to make fortunes, and there is still a loss allowance, but the cap on wages and transfer/agent fees is going to ease the pressure markedly.
That's on paper. In reality, we may well see more inventive ways of bypassing the rules, and of rigging the market, however possible. The growth of the Latin America market is one of the early signs of this.
So club owners of mid-range clubs like Wolves are caught in a quandary: they will have less chance of challenging the top group, because of stricter rules against spending, but at the same time, it may be easier to stay afloat, also as a consequence of the new rules.
But if it becomes harder to challenge for Europe over time, then the overall value of mid-range clubs may not be as high as before.
The other possibility is that the rules are legally challenged on the basis that they stifle fair competition, something which UEFA have accepted may well be the consequence of the rule changes.
As for Fosun: they are also in a quandary. They are in the business of selling assets, especially loss-making ones, to try and reduce their ruinous debt level. At the same time, however, Wolves given them the profile and identity that comes with owning a Premier League club, and that may well be indispensable leverage for their future survival.
Fascinating times.....
Fosun are definitely struggling financially as better informed people than me have explained. I would link "the mighty thor's" (?) excellent post on the matter if i knew how.At the end of the day it's the owners decision how much they chose to loose. No one can say fosun haven't pumped money into Wolves and it's clear something has changed. Maybe they are suffering financially, maybe the ccp have had a word about foreign investment, or maybe it is just a change in strategy. Maybe they are being influenced by Hobbs wanting to take a more Brighton approach?
The recruitment team must have been getting pretty feedup of doing loads of work for the club to ignore it and call Mendes. Maybe they are clearing the decks and stopping the Guedes/Semedo £30m type buys and trying a different approach - one I have hoped for personally.
Valuing a player is hard, getting players to settle is hard, keeping them happy is hard but getting those £5m - £10m gems that really want to be here has to be worth a go - is it any more risky than punting over £100m on the likes of Guedes, Cunha, and Silva?
I really don't belive this nonsense about asset stripping, in no way is it in Fosun's interest even if they were selling up.
This is just a change in strategy force by economics, politics, or maybe a loss of faith in the Mendes carousel?
Jeff runs the football club and the football clubs transfer policy over the last few years has been abysmal so that literally is his fault?No, I believe **** is bad. I just don’t feel that calling Jeff and Fosun all the names under the sun because of it, is warranted. It’s not Jeff’s fault, Fosun aren’t asset stripping, they’d like to keep being owners of WW Ltd and to do that, they’ve had to make tough financial decisions.
It’s proper strange that Fosun and Jeff are vilified for taking decisions to keep the club solvent and hopefully in the Premier League, yet that’s what most people want, isn’t it?
IMO Jeff and Fosun are getting flak because of 4 years of turgid football, then being relegation favourites (spread 2/1 to 4/1 ) and then not spending money to put those matters right.No, I believe **** is bad. I just don’t feel that calling Jeff and Fosun all the names under the sun because of it, is warranted. It’s not Jeff’s fault, Fosun aren’t asset stripping, they’d like to keep being owners of WW Ltd and to do that, they’ve had to make tough financial decisions.
It’s proper strange that Fosun and Jeff are vilified for taking decisions to keep the club solvent and hopefully in the Premier League, yet that’s what most people want, isn’t it?
Thought we got about £8 million for Coady. Costa and Mouts were out of contract.IMO Jeff and Fosun are getting flak because of 4 years of turgid football, then being relegation favourites (spread 2/1 to 4/1 ) and then not spending money to put those matters right.
Losing a manager weeks before the season started. And they knew his character for 10 years !!
Selling £80 million of players and in addition to that £80 million, letting go for free, of experienced players like Coady , Costa and Moutinho with no replacement.
You give the impression its irrational fan behavior. It certainly isn't irrational.
Jeff runs the football club and the football clubs transfer policy over the last few years has been abysmal so that literally is his fault?
If so, that's close to £90 million. £55 Neves, £20 Collins, £5 Jimenez , £8 million CoadyThought we got about £8 million for Coady. Costa and Mouts were out of contract.
It is though, isn’t it…?IMO Jeff and Fosun are getting flak because of 4 years of turgid football, then being relegation favourites (spread 2/1 to 4/1 ) and then not spending money to put those matters right.
Losing a manager weeks before the season started. And they knew his character for 10 years !!
Selling £80 million of players and in addition to that £80 million, letting go for free, of experienced players like Coady , Costa and Moutinho with no replacement.
You give the impression its irrational fan behavior. It certainly isn't irrational.
Yes . Thats better.It is though, isn’t it…?
I would say that’s a coaching issue. I’m sure Jeff didn’t hire Nuno, Bruno, Lop or GON to make Wolves be low scorers. The coaches have certainly been backed so you can’t claim they haven’t. Strange as it may seem but I look at our squad and I think it’s quite strong but I will concede depth of quality is an issue.No but its the flirting with relegation , the turgid football , and one of the lowest scoring teams in Europe, that comes about from the total movement in and out of players.
What, irrational…?Yes . Thats better.
I would only say on those grounds ( which I dont agree with) , you seem to be saying Nuno , Bruno, Loppy were not very good.I would say that’s a coaching issue. I’m sure Jeff didn’t hire Nuno, Bruno, Lop or GON to make Wolves be low scorers. The coaches have certainly been backed so you can’t claim they haven’t. Strange as it may seem but I look at our squad and I think it’s quite strong but I will concede depth of quality is an issue.
I adore Nuno, the man. As a coach, he definitely had his flaws but he delivered. Can’t say I was convinced by Lop but you stated ‘turgid football’ and this didn’t improve after Lage got the boot.I would only say on those grounds ( which I dont agree with) , you seem to be saying Nuno , Bruno, Loppy were not very good.
If so, that's close to £90 million. £55 Neves, £20 Collins, £5 Jimenez , £8 million Coady
For me our turgid football was down to not having a goalscorer.I adore Nuno, the man. As a coach, he definitely had his flaws but he delivered. Can’t say I was convinced by Lop but you stated ‘turgid football’ and this didn’t improve after Lage got the boot.
Oh, l don't know bod.... At my local that is the topic of conversation every night.... Isn't that the case where you go drinking??? lol....back to the pub rumours please not the ffp financials stuff there are plenty of threads for that discussion
It was never asset stripping, it was very obviously getting things in good order. The issue was really about communication - internally and externally from the sound of it. If it was asset stripping, we'd have flogged off first teamers and we didn't. Even the Nunes thing has been last minute and we are at least spending some of that. We have a better squad as a result tho perhaps missing that bit of class - depending how players like Sasa do.At the end of the day it's the owners decision how much they chose to loose. No one can say fosun haven't pumped money into Wolves and it's clear something has changed. Maybe they are suffering financially, maybe the ccp have had a word about foreign investment, or maybe it is just a change in strategy. Maybe they are being influenced by Hobbs wanting to take a more Brighton approach?
The recruitment team must have been getting pretty feedup of doing loads of work for the club to ignore it and call Mendes. Maybe they are clearing the decks and stopping the Guedes/Semedo £30m type buys and trying a different approach - one I have hoped for personally.
Valuing a player is hard, getting players to settle is hard, keeping them happy is hard but getting those £5m - £10m gems that really want to be here has to be worth a go - is it any more risky than punting over £100m on the likes of Guedes, Cunha, and Silva?
I really don't belive this nonsense about asset stripping, in no way is it in Fosun's interest even if they were selling up.
This is just a change in strategy force by economics, politics, or maybe a loss of faith in the Mendes carousel?
Agree with thisJeff deserves grief not because of money Fosun do or don't put in, that's not up to him, but because of how it's been used and the lack of strategic long term planning.
The profits have come from players early doors and most of the good buys were Jan since Hobbs took charge. In the middle there was a load of money wasted either by buying poor players, over paying or under selling which was my point when I said the last few years.So, Guedes and Cutrone…huge disappointments and the jury is still out on Cunha and Fabio. However, then we have profits on Neves, Jota, Mir, Doherty, Cav, H. Costa, Vinagre, etc etc…and then we have good buys like Sa, Kilman, Jimenez, Bueno, Dawson, Ait-Nouri, Lemina, A. Traore, Sasa (?) Gomes…
So, not abysmal.
That’s me convincedi doubt he is old enough for a pub and almost sure its 100% rubbish...
Perhaps that means the Qataris will be looking for a different Prem club to buy. I know one with a very sexy balance sheet...Meanwhile, up the M6, it seems the Man Utd takeover is off (for now)… source Daily Mail, so more or less a pub rumour!
Man United takeover 'off' as Glazer family plan to revisit sale of club in 2025
The Glazer family are taking Manchester United off the market having failed to attract an offer meeting their asking price. According to the Daily Mail, the American moguls will try and sell the cl…talksport.com
Perhaps that means the Qataris will be looking for a different Prem club to buy. I know one with a very sexy balance sheet...