Pedro Neto

[Streathamwolf]

It’s because of the explosiveness of his running that’s why he pulls up. Should probably warm up and stretch more maybe. It will always happen to players that are quick. Unfortunately. It depends on the severity the fact he was walking fine might mean 2/4 weeks.

We will find out more next week but I honestly don’t think it’s as bad as people think.

Physiologically it's about fast twitch v slow twitch muscke fibres. You need one, fast twitch, for sprinting and the other, slow, for endurance. They are built differently and an athlete who needs both extremes, like Neto, risks not getting the balance exactly right. So, it's always a risk with Neto's acceleration and warming up only partially deals with it.

 

[SuperGran]

Well maybe, but when are you playing him on the basis that the other leg might go. I've not heard anything that says he didn't train all week, one person suggested he wasn't in the training video, someone else said he was! Also I couldn't see any strapping on his leg, but he was a long way from me. Like you say, it's a judgement call and as ever there are loads of self proclaimed experts who moan when a call goes wrong.

@Northampton_wolf points out him in training on the other thread

 

[Streathamwolf]

It was a reckless decision to play neto,, everyone knew he had a hamstring o problem. Now we have a key player out for possibly several weeks, where a weeks rest might have allowed him to contribute to one of our more important games in years.

players should have been brought in to allow sensible rotation and proper protection of vital assets.

How is it reckless when the medical team , the physios, the player and the scans have all said no problem?

 

[wolvesjoe]

How is it reckless when the medical team , the physios, the player and the scans have all said no problem?

Its reckless because it was entirely predictable that the hamstring would become strained again.

Read this and learn something:

HAMSTRING INJURY REHABILITATION AND PREVENTION OF REINJURY USING LENGTHENED STATE ECCENTRIC TRAINING: A NEW CONCEPT.

The tests for hamstring recovery are recognised to be inadequate, testing only some but not all of the elements of movement involved in high intensity use of the muscle. That's why rethinking of how to treat and protect hamstring muscles is required, and, indeed, is ongoing in many centres of excellence. Asking the player if he feels alright, when he/she is operating at a restrained level of intensity, and then basing decisions on that just wont do anymore.

Nor will a hit and hope approach to recruitment of players and overall squad size. These players need rotation and rest, particularly after the occurrence of a strain or pull.

This is all ABC, but it appears our board have behaved in an amateurish fashion, by forcing Oneil into make highly risky decision, that predictabally not worked out.

 

[JadeWolf]

Its reckless because it was entirely predictable that the hamstring would become strained again.

Read this and learn something:

HAMSTRING INJURY REHABILITATION AND PREVENTION OF REINJURY USING LENGTHENED STATE ECCENTRIC TRAINING: A NEW CONCEPT.

The tests for hamstring recovery are recognised to be inadequate, testing only some but not all of the elements of movement involved in high intensity use of the muscle. That's why rethinking of how to treat and protect hamstring muscles is required, and, indeed, is ongoing in many centres of excellence. Asking the player if he feels alright, when he/she is operating at a restrained level of intensity, and then basing decisions on that just wont do anymore.

Nor will a hit and hope approach to recruitment of players and overall squad size. These players need rotation and rest, particularly after the occurrence of a strain or pull.

This is all ABC, but it appears our board have behaved in an amateurish fashion, by forcing Oneil into make highly risky decision, that predictabally not worked out.

It’s a different hamstring.

 

[wolvesjoe]

It’s a different hamstring.

And? Not sure what your point is. Its even worse that both hamstrings are now involved.

There is an over-compensation of the muscle to make up for the weakness of the already strained muscle.
The other muscle then gives way under the extra work.

Are You At Risk Of A Hamstring Injury? | Pure Physio

Hamstring injuries are common in the active population with the recurrence rate as high as 1 in 4. There has therefore been a lot of research into hamstring injuries and the risk factors contributing to them. Here’s some of the factors that recent research has found to increase risk of hamstring...

www.purephysio.com.au

Its a complication that becomes highly likely when an athlete attempts to perform at peak level with an
already injured muscle.

Which is what happened, when Pedro tried to go that bit faster.

 

[Timberrrr]

There's a lot of medical experts on here

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

There's a lot of medical experts on here

We've got doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, football coaches, it's a veritable phrontistery (look it up). I learn stuff every day.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I’m no expert but let’s see what the scans say. Second guessing is like picking the lottery numbers. So we can be hopeful as he walked off.

Hwang I’d be more worried about

 

[Chriswwfc]

Will we hear today? Praying it’s a twinge rather than a pull

 

[North West Wanderer]

Eventually, people are going to have to come to terms with the fact that Neto is just a bit injury prone, rather than blaming whoever the coach or medical team is at the time.

and i think this is what will hold him back sadly, from being top class.

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Will we hear today? Praying it’s a twinge rather than a pull

I guess it will be midweek similar to hwang

 

[Shergar]

A slight positive is who is going to met his price tag with his recent injury record? Meaning we might have him for another season whilst he proves his fitness and durability.

 

[waveney wolf]

His long list of injuries maybe our saving grace that others don't buy him in the summer

 

[Northampton_wolf]

A slight positive is who is going to met his price tag with his recent injury record? Meaning we might have him for another season whilst he proves his fitness and durability.

I think he still goes but he will want to be fit for euros he's needs to get there and look after himself we need to support him with stop start movements quick turns etc

 

[Rangiora Wolf]

and i think this is what will hold him back sadly, from being top class.

And also reduce the chance of a big pay day for us.

 

[DJLWolf]

I don't see this being O'Neil's or our medical teams fault.

Love the lad, cracking player but he's injury prone.It is no more complicated than that for me.We aren't overloading him - we are asking him to play once a week which is a fair ask of any professional footballer.

On a positive note, he's drastically improved his availability this season - it's been a step in the right direction and hopefully he'll be available again shortly after the international break.

 

[lets all have a disco]

I don't see this being O'Neil's or our medical teams fault.

Love the lad, cracking player but he's injury prone.It is no more complicated than that for me.We aren't overloading him - we are asking him to play once a week which is a fair ask of any professional footballer.

On a positive note, he's drastically improved his availability this season - it's been a step in the right direction and hopefully he'll be available again shortly after the international break.

I think it will be catch 22.....you will still get the big clubs looking but not for the fee we hoped...he may still want to go ..but the fee maybe nearer the 40m mark ... hamstrings may not put teams off but may affect the fee ...

 

[Fenrir_]

I think it will be catch 22.....you will still get the big clubs looking but not fit the fee we hoped...he may still want to go ..but the fee maybe nearer the 40m mark ... hamstrings may not put teams off but may affect the fee ...

You might see the initial fee go down but add ons (especially appearance based) make it up to a number closer to what we'd want

 

[wolvesjoe]

Pretty lowdown to blame a player's physiology for what may well be problems of finding the right protocols for protecting of critical muscles.

 

[Irish_Wolf]

His long list of injuries maybe our saving grace that others don't buy him in the summer

By that logic do we include Big Sasa?

 

[Fifty Niner]

At this moment in time, I'd be more upset if we lost RAN or Gomes in the Summer.
They are both rapidly becoming a more saleable asset.

RAN looks a better player when he’s allowed to play further forward.

 

[fleck1]

I think it will be catch 22.....you will still get the big clubs looking but not fit the fee we hoped...he may still want to go ..but the fee maybe nearer the 40m mark ... hamstrings may not put teams off but may affect the fee ...

I guess being a City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc its easier to take the risk on a player who picks up a lot of niggles. Wouldn't be required to play as often and as many minutes. Harder for clubs like us who don't have a 25 man squad of internationals backed up by massive academy's to carry a player who's availability is sketchy no matter how good.

 

[SilverstoneWolf]

We've got doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, football coaches, it's a veritable phrontistery (look it up). I learn stuff every day.

‘Phrontistery’ - fabulous word & one I will incorporate into my vocabulary! Thanks YGRW!

 

[SA Wolf]

‘Phrontistery’ - fabulous word & one I will incorporate into my vocabulary! Thanks YGRW!

Me too. Truly a phrontastic word.

 

[wolvesaywe]

We've got doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, football coaches, it's a veritable phrontistery (look it up). I learn stuff every day.

If we could just harness what the Mix collectively thinks it knows we could find a cure for cancer, end world poverty and still have time to finally bring peace to the Middle East

 

[lets all have a disco]

I guess being a City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc its easier to take the risk on a player who picks up a lot of niggles. Wouldn't be required to play as often and as many minutes. Harder for clubs like us who don't have a 25 man squad of internationals backed up by massive academy's to carry a player who's availability is sketchy no matter how good.

Yes exactly...you can manage them better....none of us would bat an eyelid if a big club went for say Eze at Palace but he has missed as much time as Neto the last couple of seasons..

It might be catch 22 , a big club wants him, he wants to go , we need to sell but it maybe not be for the fee we hoped.... leaving us with a dilemma....it might put some me teams off but the notion it will put everybody off is daft....

 

[DJLWolf]

I think it will be catch 22.....you will still get the big clubs looking but not for the fee we hoped...he may still want to go ..but the fee maybe nearer the 40m mark ... hamstrings may not put teams off but may affect the fee ...

I guess it completely depends on the market this summer and who is available doesn't it - what alternatives do the big clubs have to Neto, what are their qualities and injury records like?

I'm not sure about the idea that he will be required to play less minutes at the bigger clubs though.They play far, far more football than we do at wolves going the distance in most, or all of the European and domestic cups.

The likes of Arsenal, city and Liverpool play very fast, aggressive football with a huge emphasis on pressing.There will surely be question marks on whether Neto can cope with that physically.

 

[Thank you Sir Jack]

‘Phrontistery’ - fabulous word & one I will incorporate into my vocabulary! Thanks YGRW!

I will drop it into casual conversation with passersby.

 

[wolvesjoe]

I don't see this being O'Neil's or our medical teams fault.

Love the lad, cracking player but he's injury prone.It is no more complicated than that for me.We aren't overloading him - we are asking him to play once a week which is a fair ask of any professional footballer.

On a positive note, he's drastically improved his availability this season - it's been a step in the right direction and hopefully he'll be available again shortly after the international break.

The problem as I understand it, is that current techniques, includingi mri scans and various orthopedic tests are failing to pick up damage and vulnerability in a complex muscle system. Acting on the basis of flawed testing system is the problem that needs addressing, and this applies to all clubs

. Given the known role of fatigue in injury recurrence, caution is required obviously. But the medical departments also need much better information to guide their advice to coaches.

On general I would also say that many are underestimating just what a **** up it was on Saturday with Neto.

 

[lets all have a disco]

I guess it completely depends on the market this summer and who is available doesn't it - what alternatives do the big clubs have to Neto, what are their qualities and injury records like?

I'm not sure about the idea that he will be required to play less minutes at the bigger clubs though.They play far, far more football than we do at wolves going the distance in most, or all of the European and domestic cups.

The likes of Arsenal, city and Liverpool play very fast, aggressive football with a huge emphasis on pressing.There will surely be question marks on whether Neto can cope with that physically.

Yes agree.....but forward at those teams get game time managed a bit more....very rare they play 90 mins... overall game time yes.....but it's more managed....30 mins often , 70 mins max....

He won't have to bust his gut as the only forward option, every game..

 

[Golden_Wolf]

Gaz essentially admitting it was his fault, think that should be it. It is what it is.

For me, it's an issue to do with our lack of depth & our inability to rest players when we've got opportunities.

 

[Timberrrr]

Double edge sword this.as great a player as he is he's got spaghetti hamstrings.id love him to stay but if he's injured for half a season is it really that beneficial?
On the other hand the big clubs wanting him aren't daft and will feel the same especially when it comes to prices. availability to play is priceless

 

[steve vena]

We've got doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, football coaches, it's a veritable phrontistery (look it up). I learn stuff every day.

We've also got fighter pilots I believe.

 

[Mancwolf56]

We've got doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, football coaches, it's a veritable phrontistery (look it up). I learn stuff every day.

What’s more impressive is some Mixers appear to be experts in multiple disciplines

 

[Adrian_Monk]

I've sojourned to the phrontistery and come to the conclusion that aside those areas of expertise, it seems we also have specialists in the ability to infiltrate the training ground and medical areas at Compton with a cloak of invisibility, and eavesdrop conversations between staff members and player, because really none of us know how those conversations went down. I suspect the truth is, as always, somewhere in the middle.

One thing that is true is that our squad isn't numerically equipped for the rigours of a cup run and sustained assault on the European places without the risk of players breaking down with injuries. I can't say for certain, but I would imagine Neto would have played less football over a short period of time following his earlier injury had O'Neil had alternative options available to him that he was prepared to use, which is a club failing however you want to look it at it.

It's this reason why I always feel uneasy with fans giving our players abuse when they don't want to play shortly before a move elsewhere is completed (Boly, for example). Clubs are happy to milk players as they see fit, and by the same token players have every right to consider what is best for them.

 

[A3wolf]

Is Neto really at a stage to be labelled injury prone? Always think of that label for players who get repeated similar injuries with limited contact e.g. Sasa

Prior to this season I don’t think he’s had hamstring issues and been more unlucky with the type of injuries that have occurred and he seems to have recovered from them.

Pedro Neto - Injury history

This is the injury history of Pedro Neto from Wolverhampton Wanderers. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[oldgoldheart]

Is Neto really at a stage to be labelled injury prone? Always think of that label for players who get repeated similar injuries with limited contact, the type of which most other players such as Sasa

Prior to this season I don’t think he’s had hamstring issues and been more unlucky with the type of injuries that have occurred and he seems to have recovered from them.

Pedro Neto - Injury history

This is the injury history of Pedro Neto from Wolverhampton Wanderers. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

the way we play is producing more hamstring injuries. lots of explosive runs. i love our new style but it is pretty demanding

 

[wolfslair]

What’s more impressive is some Mixers appear to be experts in multiple disciplines

You mean people become well read and learn about multiple topics…..

Wow, I have never heard of people doing that before.

If only mastermind had a general knowledge round to test for people’s knowledge on a wide range of topics not just their specialism…..

Oh wait they do…..

Clever/enquisitive people read about lots of different things to broaden their knowledge base and learn lots of subjects.

The average sports science graduate before choosing their specialism, will cover; anatomy and physiology, psychology, sociology, sports business, biomechanics, maths/statistics and some do pedagogy also. So in many cases they can be very read in a wide range of topics by the end of their second year.

It isn’t unheard of and is in fact quite common. Suprised you didn’t know people do that…..

There are some very clever and inspirational people on here with what they have achieved. It is something to admire not mock that they decided to better themselves and learn about a range of things

 

[wolfslair]

There's a lot of medical experts on here

Or lots of people have had hamstring problems or in some case family members who do/did. So learned about it.

Don’t need to be a medical expert to understand hamstring injuries at all

The rehab and prehab for hamstring injuries isn’t that complex…… the issue is the fact the muscle is an absolute bugger and career long issue when it goes and sometimes it will go even if you do everything to the agreed and accepted medical/scientific level