Pathetic old farts support incompetents

[WickedWolfie]

Surprise, surprise, the incompetent, out of touch, useless old gits in the FA are trying to use their discredited disciplinary processes to support the useless clowns of PGMOL. How dare anyone criticise their utter incompetence.

Hopefully at some point soon someone will go to a real Court.....

FA to punish clubs over managers attacking referees after Mikel Arteta charged

The Football Association will seek tough punishment for clubs who criticise referees, after charging Mikel Arteta for his rant in the wake of Arsenal’s defeat at Newcastle United.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

It's okay, all the club(s) need to do is send a fake apology, then go back to criticism the following week.

 

[old wittonian]

How about the FA and PGMOL get their own houses in order.
This wouldn't happen if they did.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Jürgen Klopp and Nuno both got fined for having the temerity to celebrate a winning goal, a dastardly crime indeed. Yet referees make major mistakes, and nothing happens. That says all that needs saying about the FA.

 

[JadeWolf]

Maybe the FA and PGMOL should be looking at why the managers are so unhappy and angry about decisions? Whether you agreed with the way Arteta went about it, you can understand why he was so angry about that goal been given.

 

[wolvesaywe]

If I was a manager they'd have to set up a direct debit for payment of my weekly fines

 

[Frank Lincoln]

I fully expect Roberto de Zerbi to be the next manager charged following his comments after the Brighton v Sheffield United game. I am just surprised he only dislikes 80% of the referees…

 

[Norman Bell]

When I saw the thread title I thought somehow a pensioners bus trip to see a game at The Hawthorns had ended up on The Mix !!!!!!!

 

[WickedWolfie]

I fully expect Roberto de Zerbi to be the next manager charged following his comments after the Brighton v Sheffield United game. I am just surprised he only dislikes 80% of the referees…

Charging someone for "disliking" a person or group would be an interesting push. Indeed it might be exactly the sort of issue that prompted a referral to a real Court.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

FA rule E3.1 states: “A participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.”

So what they are saying is that the best interests of the game are not served by people who point out mistakes made by officials. If there's no implication of more than incompetence, and no threatening or abusive language etc, then I think they'd struggle to make that stand up. Will the game really improve if everyone just ignores the mistakes?

 

[Flump]

So what they are saying is that the best interests of the game are not served by people who point out mistakes made by officials. If there's no implication of more than incompetence, and no threatening or abusive language etc, then I think they'd struggle to make that stand up. Will the game really improve if everyone just ignores the mistakes?

I think the distinction they often draw is complaining about an individual decision is (broadly) OK - complaining about the refs more generally is undermining them.

If managers keep saying "these refs are all rubbish", then it's likely to see more questioning of their decisions on-pitch in the future, more endless arguing back etc.

 

[Jonzy54]

I fully expect Roberto de Zerbi to be the next manager charged following his comments after the Brighton v Sheffield United game. I am just surprised he only dislikes 80% of the referees…

He despises the other 20%

 

[WolfLing]

Surprise, surprise, the incompetent, out of touch, useless old gits in the FA are trying to use their discredited disciplinary processes to support the useless clowns of PGMOL. How dare anyone criticise their utter incompetence.

Hopefully at some point soon someone will go to a real Court.....

FA to punish clubs over managers attacking referees after Mikel Arteta charged

The Football Association will seek tough punishment for clubs who criticise referees, after charging Mikel Arteta for his rant in the wake of Arsenal’s defeat at Newcastle United.

uk.yahoo.com

As much as the FA and PGMOL have ****ed me off recently, what Arteta did was absolutely not OK.

There was no conclusive evidence that Gordon's goal for Newcastle shouldn't have been awarded. Unlike all the incidents against us that it was admitted were mistakes.

For Arteta to both say what he did, AND to also persuade his club to issue a statement following the game, is unacceptable. Especially for an incident that wasn't even that contentious.

Despite the Newcastle penalty being incorrect, Hobbs was still wrong to go about his criticism of the referee in the way he did. That's why he also faces a disciplinary charge.

The way O'Neill has dealt with the terrible decisions against us has been so much better than Arteta.

The way Postecoglou handled the question when asked about refereeing decisions was spot on.

We know things are bad, we know standards need to be raised. Arteta's rant and Arsenal's ill-judged club statement do very little to help the toxic atmosphere. Stuff like that is going to lead to a referee getting attacked.

 

[WolfLing]

Maybe the FA and PGMOL should be looking at why the managers are so unhappy and angry about decisions? Whether you agreed with the way Arteta went about it, you can understand why he was so angry about that goal been given.

I think in all situations like that, you have to view it objectively.

If it is a goal that if your team had scored, you would be defending the decisions, or saying there's no conclusive evidence not to award the goal, then it's probably not one to lose your **** about.

If it's one that could absolutely not be defended in any circumstances, then go for it.

If Arsenal had scored that goal I think we all know which camp Arteta would have been sitting in!

 

[WickedWolfie]

I think the distinction they often draw is complaining about an individual decision is (broadly) OK - complaining about the refs more generally is undermining them.

If managers keep saying "these refs are all rubbish", then it's likely to see more questioning of their decisions on-pitch in the future, more endless arguing back etc.

I understand your logic. The problem is that FA rules only apply to people active in the game. The FA "Ministry of Truth" trying to insist that no one points out the blatantly obvious is Emperor's new clothes territory.

Everyone can see that many of these refs are rubbish and pundits can and will point that out. When Dean or Gallagher call a decision out you know that it must have been REALLY bad.

 

[WickedWolfie]

As much as the FA and PGMOL have ****ed me off recently, what Arteta did was absolutely not OK.

There was no conclusive evidence that Gordon's goal for Newcastle shouldn't have been awarded. Unlike all the incidents against us that it was admitted were mistakes.

For Arteta to both say what he did, AND to also persuade his club to issue a statement following the game, is unacceptable. Especially for an incident that wasn't even that contentious.

Despite the Newcastle penalty being incorrect, Hobbs was still wrong to go about his criticism of the referee in the way he did. That's why he also faces a disciplinary charge.

The way O'Neill has dealt with the terrible decisions against us has been so much better than Arteta.

The way Postecoglou handled the question when asked about refereeing decisions was spot on.

We know things are bad, we know standards need to be raised. Arteta's rant and Arsenal's ill-judged club statement do very little to help the toxic atmosphere. Stuff like that is going to lead to a referee getting attacked.

I posted elsewhere that managers only moaning when they get a bad decision (and as you say that one wasn't obviously so) undermines the legitimacy of protest. If and when Arteta states that VAR was wrong and Arsenal should have had a player sent off/a goal disallowed he might have more credibility (Klippetty also was happy enough to take dodgy decisions in their favour). Hell will freeze over first though....

 

[Bossworld]

Totally read this thread title as 'incontinence' and yet still clicked on it. Anyone else?

 

[Norman Bell]

Totally read this thread title as 'incontinence' and yet still clicked on it. Anyone else?

If I had a ' Tena ' for every time I had done that ........................

 

[WolfLing]

Totally read this thread title as 'incontinence' and yet still clicked on it. Anyone else?

"I fully support incontinence and will defend my right to being a wetter!"

 

[Jefe]

So, the FA is clamping down hard on the criticism of referees, media figures are being threatened with the sack for criticising referees (according to Keys). Seems the black leather glove is slapping firmly across the cheeks of those with the temerity to stand up to the Football authorities. Crushing dissent will surely improve standards across the board, history is littered with evidence of that...

 

[Scallywolf]

So much for our democratic country and freedom of speech, eh!

 

[WickedWolfie]

So, the FA is clamping down hard on the criticism of referees, media figures are being threatened with the sack for criticising referees (according to Keys). Seems the black leather glove is slapping firmly across the cheeks of those with the temerity to stand up to the Football authorities. Crushing dissent will surely improve standards across the board, history is littered with evidence of that...

If a media figure gets sacked and goes legal the FA could end up deep in the brown stuff...

 

[dgm6769]

Every single club should release a statement simultaneously saying they are not happy with the standard of reffing and var.
Probably never happen but would be good see how the fa and pgmol reacted.

 

[Leominster_Wolf]

I think in all situations like that, you have to view it objectively.

If it is a goal that if your team had scored, you would be defending the decisions, or saying there's no conclusive evidence not to award the goal, then it's probably not one to lose your **** about.

If it's one that could absolutely not be defended in any circumstances, then go for it.

If Arsenal had scored that goal I think we all know which camp Arteta would have been sitting in!

Case in point

Paul Heckingbottom rants at 'appalling' referees after Sheffield United's Premier League defeat at Tottenham

Paul Heckingbottom on Premier League referee standards after Peter Bankes performance in Sheff Utds 2-1 loss at Tottenham: The officiating is appalling... Theyre officiating our games at the top level, and they simply do not know the game. We need to sort that, and sort it quick

www.skysports.com

but not so quick to call out a **** decision that went in his favour…..

”Looking back at it, there is contact. VAR is there to overturn decisions and if the referee hasn't given it, it's probably not given by VAR and vice versa”