Lets discuss Fabio and his future .

[bod101]

He is 21. How many 21 year olds are leading the line at a prem club? Serious question. He didn't set his fee so he can't be blamed for that, so anyone able to actually put a good case for some of the absolute *******s spouted about essentially a youth player?

 

[Tring Wolf]

Totally agree that the death threats come from cowardly cretins, as ever. Am I the only one though who thought his challenge was quite dirty?
Went straight into the back of Baldock's head with a dropped shoulder, no clear intention to win the ball.

I thought it was more poor technique than malicious. I’m one of the increasingly few who still thinks there is a very decent player in there but he is pretty awful in the air.

I’d love to think that today could be the start of his redemption arc but it looks increasingly unlikely that he is going to make the breakthrough with us. Thought he looked great under Lopetegui in pre-season, and did ok in those first three games where he had two narrowly disallowed for offside.

But he is obviously someone who thrives on confidence and he looks absolutely bereft of it at the moment. O’Neil will obviously bring in another striker in January so he’ll be pushed further down the pecking order and will probably leave on loan again.

 

[Gedwolf]

The thing is as a 21 year old he would be alright as a 4th choice striker if he was on say 15k a week not 70k and played in early cup rounds.

Did pretty well in the game at Blackpool.

Blackpool and League 1 is probably his level, unfortunately.

 

[sc91]

He will be gone in a few weeks, shame, I wa wrong on the ability.

 

[Fenrir_]

Totally agree that the death threats come from cowardly cretins, as ever. Am I the only one though who thought his challenge was quite dirty?
Went straight into the back of Baldock's head with a dropped shoulder, no clear intention to win the ball.

Made no contact with Baldock's head, just jumped into the back of him. It was a foul and it was definitely a "you're going to know I'm here" foul, but wasn't remotely dirty in my book

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

You can't think it wasn't a penalty and blame Fabio at the same time.

I presume nobody thinks it was a penalty (because it wasn't).

You can say he should've done more in the game, which would be valid, but he came on in the 81st minute. It would be strange to over analyse a sub from the 81st minute when you look at the game.

But he comes on and is offside unnecessarily, fouls players for no reason whatsoever - and generally doesn’t look like he cares until some tears at full time


He just needs to work harder , stop fouling , and stay onside

 

[Milijas]

Blackpool and League 1 is probably his level, unfortunately.

Can't argue with that clearly that is the level of the Belgian league..

 

[Fenrir_]

The thing is as a 21 year old he would be alright as a 4th choice striker if he was on say 15k a week not 70k and played in early cup rounds.
Did pretty well in the game at blackpool.
Offer him a new contract on reduced wages and a 6 month loan to the championship.
You may ask why would he take a pay cut? Who else is going to pay him big wages?
Yes he could sit here and rot on big bucks but he isnt a roger johnson / Jamie o'hara mercenary.

Well firstly he isn't taking a pay cut, and secondly he isn't on that much anyway

Should be known (after doing much digging), his reputed astronomical wages are nothing more than a guess by a computer algorithm

 

[Scallywolf]

Thing is, it was never a penalty and for all the criticism going against Fabio, let’s give dogs abuse to the officials who awarded it!

Match officials walk away after matches with a healthy pay packet and couldn’t care less about ruining careers of players and managers, never mind the enjoyment of thousands of hard working fans. I agree with Nathan Judah (yes, Nathan) in his E and S post match comments today, where he said they should be sacked. What other trade or profession would put up with the incompetence we are witnessing week after week!

VAR is proving to be ‘Jobs For The Boys’ and it is time for radical action. GET ******* RID OF IT.

 

[Milijas]

Well firstly he isn't taking a pay cut, and secondly he isn't on that much anyway

Should be known (after doing much digging), his reputed astronomical wages are nothing more than a guess by a computer algorithm

What did your 'digging' find? How much he on? (Roughly)

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Kid leaves the pitch in tears. Pile on. Well done, lads.

Never a penalty. Don’t be a bunch of ****s.

The voice of reason. “Fans” desperately wanting him to fail. Same ones call GON a chancer and a PE teacher. We have some utterly awful fans

 

[Dorbelflunk]

If a person is affected that deeply by comments, threats, crap written on forums and social media from anonymous keyboard warriors then perhaps they should stay off it for their own mental health.
We all know social media brings out the worst in society , I'm surprised anyone is shocked that Fabio is getting death threats.

I can't quite believe what I'm reading. Innocent people shouldn't have to change their behaviour.

It's totally reasonable to be affected if you're threatened with death. That's not weird or a sign of fragile mental health. It's just legitimately frightening.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Football needs to go back to a basic wage ,,a win bonus ,,and a goals bonus .
80 grande a week isn't going to make you train hard or play hard .
What a waste of money

You do understand he earns nowhere near that, right?

 

[Fenrir_]

What did your 'digging' find? How much he on? (Roughly)

Doesn't find out how much he's on, but that the site(s) that have claimed he's on such wages and stoked the fires of this use an algorithm to make an 'educated' guess if the wage isn't officially disclosed. So they'd look at us signing Silva for a large, club record fee, we're a PL club, our highest earner was on about £100k, he had a massive release clause etc etc. and come up with a guess thinking around £80k was about right for a player that met that criteria. But the same sites reckon Neto has signed one or two new deals on significantly less than Silva's supposed wage, club captain Conor Coady extended his deal on significantly less, and others have also signed new deals on less. Common sense tells you that that isn't going to happen, they're all going to demand at least what Silva is on if he's on that much, which in turn tells anyone with a modicum of sense, that he isn't on the astronomical wages that are reported/estimated

(Also Anderlecht paid his entire wage when they loaned him, they are not a club that commits to spending £4m borrowing an unproven kid)

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Doesn't find out how much he's on, but that the site(s) that have claimed he's on such wages and stoked the fires of this use an algorithm to make an 'educated' guess if the wage isn't officially disclosed. So they'd look at us signing Silva for a large, club record fee, we're a PL club, our highest earner was on about £100k, he had a massive release clause etc etc. and come up with a guess thinking around £80k was about right for a player that met that criteria. But the same sites reckon Neto has signed one or two new deals on significantly less than Silva's supposed wage, club captain Conor Coady extended his deal on significantly less, and others have also signed new deals on less. Common sense tells you that that isn't going to happen, they're all going to demand at least what Silva is on if he's on that much, which in turn tells anyone with a modicum of sense, that he isn't on the astronomical wages that are reported/estimated

(Also Anderlecht paid his entire wage when they loaned him, they are not a club that commits to spending £4m borrowing an unproven kid)

Stop being rational, it makes no sense on here. He’s on £80k a week and Coady was on £15k because it’s on Reddit so just be right

 

[Golden Arrow]

Totally agree that the death threats come from cowardly cretins, as ever. Am I the only one though who thought his challenge was quite dirty?
Went straight into the back of Baldock's head with a dropped shoulder, no clear intention to win the ball.

You may be right but somehow i wrestle with the fact that Fabio has gone into a challenge with the intent to foul the opposition player, its just not him, or at least that's been my perception.

 

[wwbug]

What he earns is irrelevant.
It’s how he plays .
Shi took a gamble and it hasn’t workout well . That is not Silva’s fault .
And you need to know when to cut your losses on a gamble.

 

[Ewok vs Wolf]

Felt really sorry for him
Hopefully the club staff players can pick him up and we can do our part to encourage him next weekends game

 

[Perton Wolf]

He is 21. How many 21 year olds are leading the line at a prem club? Serious question. He didn't set his fee so he can't be blamed for that, so anyone able to actually put a good case for some of the absolute *******s spouted about essentially a youth player?

The issue is that we spent £35m on him and he will never be worth that. Jeff Shi is an idiot.

 

[molineux man]

What he earns is irrelevant.
It’s how he plays .
Shi took a gamble and it hasn’t workout well . That is not Silva’s fault .
And you need to know a when to cut your losses on a gamble.

I don’t think Shi took a gamble. Doesn’t strike me as the type to put £35m down on a casino table.

More likely he was duped. He was obviously told by people he trusted (chiefly Mendes) that Fabio was the next teenage superstar.

 

[bod101]

The issue is that we spent £35m on him and he will never be worth that. Jeff Shi is an idiot.

So as I said without talking about the fee can any of some of what has been said be justified?

On the fee, what people seem to forget it was our turn to overpay, we had gotten mouts for 5mil, Patricio, before that neves and jota in the championship, that was where we paid back. But again that's not Silva's fault.

 

[Wolf 82]

I don’t think Shi took a gamble. Doesn’t strike me as the type to put £35m down on a casino table.

More likely he was duped. He was obviously told by people he trusted (chiefly Mendes) that Fabio was the next teenage superstar.

I remember looking into Fabio when we signed him and thinking there was a distinct lack of evidence to suggest he was a likely star in the making.

I really wanted him to succeed though.. and I do feel for him. He seems a bit desperate to impress and it’s making him a bit manic. I’ve seen him do good things on the pitch.. so I know there is some talent there.

I do feel though, that some things are destined not to work.. and for his sake, and ours, it will probably be the right time for a permanent move in January.

 

[Wolf 82]

So as I said without talking about the fee can any of some of what has been said be justified?

On the fee, what people seem to forget it was our turn to overpay, we had gotten mouts for 5mil, Patricio, before that neves and jota in the championship, that was where we paid back. But again that's not Silva's fault.

I think we got all 4 of them combined for about the same as Silva?

 

[Perton Wolf]

So as I said without talking about the fee can any of some of what has been said be justified?

On the fee, what people seem to forget it was our turn to overpay, we had gotten mouts for 5mil, Patricio, before that neves and jota in the championship, that was where we paid back. But again that's not Silva's fault.

Fair point, not knocking Silva for his fee per say but we should've moved him on by now, albeit for sizable loss. Just a reality of doing business with Mendes.

 

[Contrarian]

The voice of reason. “Fans” desperately wanting him to fail. Same ones call GON a chancer and a PE teacher. We have some utterly awful fans

Sorry, that is not the voice of reason, however much you award it to yourself. Do you have any actual evidence for anything you accuse the fans of?

 

[bod101]

Fair point, not knocking Silva for his fee per say but we should've moved him on by now, albeit for sizable loss. Just a reality of doing business with Mendes.

He's only 21! As I asked earlier how many 21 year olds are leading the line for a prem club? Was his fee high? Yes, but I don't blame him for that. I don't think he's all that bad either at the start of the season he was looking very good, but at 21 the consistency isn't going to be there yet. Far far too early to write off

 

[Contrarian]

I've been critical of Fabio. I don't think he's close to Premier League level. But that is not a penalty and I don't blame for it at all. We've been shafted by VAR going on strike again.

 

[Perton Wolf]

He's only 21! As I asked earlier how many 21 year olds are leading the line for a prem club? Was his fee high? Yes, but I don't blame him for that. I don't think he's all that bad either at the start of the season he was looking very good, but at 21 the consistency isn't going to be there yet. Far far too early to write off

He'll never make it as a PL CF, doesn't have the mental capacity. He obviously had something coming through the ranks at Porto in a technical capacity that made himself so highly rated but he just doesn't read or react to the game quick enough to be an instinctive and dangerous CF at this level.

 

[bod101]

He'll never make it as a PL CF, doesn't have the mental capacity. He obviously had something coming through the ranks at Porto in a technical capacity that made himself so highly rated but he just doesn't read or react to the game quick enough to be an instinctive and dangerous CF at this level.

I do, but not as a lead the line striker

 

[L78]

But he comes on and is offside unnecessarily, fouls players for no reason whatsoever - and generally doesn’t look like he cares until some tears at full time


He just needs to work harder , stop fouling , and stay onside

And it would be a big help if he could score goals

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Sorry, that is not the voice of reason, however much you award it to yourself. Do you have any actual evidence for anything you accuse the fans of?

Are you high? I awarded it to someone else, clearly,

Do you have a phone? Twitter is full of it, Facebook is full of it and there’s plenty on here.

A truly awful element of “fans” who are desperate for us to lose. Some have been missing for weeks but straight back after a loss. Absolutely pathetic. We make West Ham fans look normal

 

[Scallywolf]

I've been critical of Fabio. I don't think he's close to Premier League level. But that is not a penalty and I don't blame for it at all. We've been shafted by VAR going on strike again.

I have been exactly the same with my criticism and totally agree with your post.

Shafted, betrayed, unhinged, you name it by VAR and the people who operate it.

Sour grapes doesn’t come into it, but never in the days of pigs pudding was that a penalty!

 

[Contrarian]

Are you high? I awarded it to someone else, clearly,

Do you have a phone? Twitter is full of it, Facebook is full of it and there’s plenty on here.

A truly awful element of “fans” who are desperate for us to lose. Some have been missing for weeks but straight back after a loss. Absolutely pathetic. We make West Ham fans look normal

I don't do Twitter or Facebook. I do think some are too quick to assume that criticism implies that "so-called" fans actually want a player to fail. Any ideas why these fans would want us to lose? Makes no sense to me. In the heat of them moment, I'm sure most/all of us have said something over the top negative about out players. But that's because we want the team to win. Maybe some get too emotionally invested in the results of a football club that are completely beyond our control?

If you think a player is hyped and overrated, then you may want him gone because you want a better player in his place - to succeed. So the club can *not* lose.

<EDIT> Been out all day since 60 mins into the match, only just got in to catch up, so am behind with events.

 

[SA Wolf]

Are you high? I awarded it to someone else, clearly,

Do you have a phone? Twitter is full of it, Facebook is full of it and there’s plenty on here.

A truly awful element of “fans” who are desperate for us to lose. Some have been missing for weeks but straight back after a loss. Absolutely pathetic. We make West Ham fans look normal

Sorry, but this is plain wrong. NO Wolves' fan wants Wolves to lose. Because fans (including myself) have criticised Fabio in the past doesn't mean we want him to fail. Nothing would impress me more than for Fabio to come out and ram criticism from fans back down our throats, but I fear it won't happen.
I've only seen the penalty incident once and at normal speed from one angle, so for clarity am not talking about that, but I've seen little or nothing from the player since he arrived with great fanfare that makes me think he's at Premier League level. He's been at Wolves since 2020. Subsequent managers have not seen fit to play him (other than Nuno when Raul was injured). We've sent him out on loan to get experience and he's now back at a team that has a history of struggling to score and still he can't force his way into the starting 11. That must tell that he's not good enough!
Being right (or wrong) about Fabio is completely different to wanting him to fail, being "desperate for Wolves to lose" and being "absolutely pathetic fans", because we dare have opinions that differ from yours.
Fans say things in the heat of the moment and certainly after drinking too much, however, I have no doubt that there is some strong feeling and even stronger words directed at Fabio at this moments, but Wolves' fans wanting our team to lose. Come on!

 

[Ian]

So as I said without talking about the fee can any of some of what has been said be justified?

On the fee, what people seem to forget it was our turn to overpay, we had gotten mouts for 5mil, Patricio, before that neves and jota in the championship, that was where we paid back. But again that's not Silva's fault.

In my case I think it's more the hype and expectation surrounding the signing of Fabio... the whole " generational talent" thing falsely gave many the impression we were signing the next Messi/ Ronaldo.
Even though we've barely seen Silva for a full 90 mins since his signing I think anyone that has been watching football for years can see Fabio is nothing more than average and in some skills ( heading) is probably below average.

As for the fee... it's not my money so never care how much Wolves spend on players.

 

[Urko]

Time to cut our losses like we did with Ray Hankin & Jake Cassidy.

 

[groundhogwolf]

Unfortunately Fabio taking the stick when the manager brings him on in a game, where we are creating nothing and in circumstances that do not suit his style of play, he is not a battler. I may not be a fan of the player but I think we was sold down the river today. Why is Gomes not playing, perfect game for his combative style.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Unfortunately Fabio taking the stick when the manager brings him on in a game, where we are creating nothing and in circumstances that do not suit his style of play, he is not a battler. I may not be a fan of the player but I think we was sold down the river today. Why is Gomes not playing, perfect game for his combative style.

Nothing to do with that

There’s no excuse for constantly being offside

 

[groundhogwolf]

Nothing to do with that

There’s no excuse for constantly being offside

Agree but completely wrong substitute for the game today and the lack of scoring chances being created

 

[sedgwolf1980]

Needs to cut his hair and everything will be ok.