January 22 transfer window

[hollo]

Tidy profit I imagine

Which reminds me, Rafa Mir and the big American lad whos name escapes me... £15m between them? What happened to that money, anyone?

Add to the fact we took a loan out.. What is going on fosun?? Is this club in debt or something? And to who, the owners? Something does not seem right to me.

The owners plan to plough 50 million into grasshoppers in the next few years according to this article.Maybe they have put us on hold.

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[Kebab Warrior]

No names i'm sorry .. as i have previously said not ITK just hear bits and pieces and post what I hear .. i am hoping Caleta Car and there is not a lot of noise about other clubs chasing him .. but will say they are trying to bring 1 or 2 in ..

Thanks Cornwall

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

We shouldn't want any of those Spurs players. They're all not good enough.

Typical hype that comes with British players who do well in a short period with Tanganga, Rodon and Sessegnon.

Pay up or **** off, Levy.

No, just **** off Levy

 

[Aurum Lupus]

Is it a rehash of the rumour that went around last summer because of a Football Manager save?

Dunno, you decide for yourself

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/article257325337.html

 

[Aurum Lupus]

The owners plan to plough 50 million into grasshoppers in the next few years according to this article.Maybe they have put us on hold.

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Or maybe it's an easy way of giving us money indirectly, by buying all our loans we don't want

 

[wwbug]

Your have gotta laugh at this forum haven't ya ... everyone was moaning about Saiss last summer, some where putting him on their selling list...people were saying sell him for 4m......And nw some are moaning we haven't sorted his new contract out already.......

Last summer it was 'we better not sell adama for 30m'....the reality is Saiss might end up at a big club for nowt and we will be stuck with adama......

Its the staff at Wolves who have to make the right decision.

 

[JonahWolf]

I dont think you have thought that through. Its not a case of bravado , its that he is not valueless ?
His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists, it can hardly be worse on that account.
Fosun will know his value to us today . And what his market value is , Mendes can help here.
Spurs want him they pay it by that set date, or there is little point in selling him. But your idea that Spurs hold all the cards is wrong ,because I assume Conte wants him.

What power or position of strength exactly do we have in this negotiation? We have a player that’s not particularly producing, is receptive to a move, has 18 months left on contract and doesn’t want to sign a new one.
Those are pretty much all of the ingredients for a low asking price, short of a public bust-up and ostracised from the squad.

If he was playing out of his skin, then it’s a different story. Because we’d be willing to keep him til the end of the season, or even run the contract down til the end and lose him for free, getting £20m worth out of him in goals, assists, potentially prize money/european qualification.
Like Burnley are willing to do with Tarkowski.

The players that go for massively inflated fees are those on 3+ year contracts, that are regular starters, and performing well. That’s when the selling club have all the power, can name a price and stick to it.
Because they don’t want to sell, they have something to gain by not selling, that only a massive fee would definitely outweigh.
We do not have anything to gain by keeping Adama, hence the constant lowballing.
As for his value increasing, that’s virtually impossible with 18 months left and refusing a new one. He’d have to suddenly learn the parts of his game that he lacks, make good runs, decisions, and finishing….which would then negate the issue with contract extension because he’d be worthy of being a top earner!

 

[DPE]

Your have gotta laugh at this forum haven't ya ... everyone was moaning about Saiss last summer, some where putting him on their selling list...people were saying sell him for 4m......And nw some are moaning we haven't sorted his new contract out already.......

Last summer it was 'we better not sell adama for 30m'....the reality is Saiss might end up at a big club for nowt and we will be stuck with adama......

Yep it’s a fabulous forum with lots of different opinions regarding the players, the club and transfers.

 

[Erick1011]

David Neres going to Shakhtar Donetsk in Ukraine for €15m.
I would’ve gladly sold Traoré and got Neres for that fee.

 

[Deleted member yltz11841]

David Neres going to Shakhtar Donetsk in Ukraine for €15m.
I would’ve gladly sold Traoré and got Neres for that fee.

Remember there is no value in the January window.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

David Neres going to Shakhtar Donetsk in Ukraine for €15m.
I would’ve gladly sold Traoré and got Neres for that fee.

Here's has been poop for a couple of seasons (so I read when I wondered why he was going for so cheap). Bit like Digne. Big name in bad form

 

[wwbug]

What power or position of strength exactly do we have in this negotiation? We have a player that’s not particularly producing, is receptive to a move, has 18 months left on contract and doesn’t want to sign a new one.
Those are pretty much all of the ingredients for a low asking price, short of a public bust-up and ostracised from the squad.

If he was playing out of his skin, then it’s a different story. Because we’d be willing to keep him til the end of the season, or even run the contract down til the end and lose him for free, getting £20m worth out of him in goals, assists, potentially prize money/european qualification.
Like Burnley are willing to do with Tarkowski.

The players that go for massively inflated fees are those on 3+ year contracts, that are regular starters, and performing well. That’s when the selling club have all the power, can name a price and stick to it.
Because they don’t want to sell, they have something to gain by not selling, that only a massive fee would definitely outweigh.
We do not have anything to gain by keeping Adama, hence the constant lowballing.
As for his value increasing, that’s virtually impossible with 18 months left and refusing a new one. He’d have to suddenly learn the parts of his game that he lacks, make good runs, decisions, and finishing….which would then negate the issue with contract extension because he’d be worthy of being a top earner!

As I said - set a fair price.
I didnt state a particular price. But one that reflects our position.
Even if it be £10 million or less. .

 

[sc91]

David Neres going to Shakhtar Donetsk in Ukraine for €15m.
I would’ve gladly sold Traoré and got Neres for that fee.

He has not kicked on at all. If he was, Ajax wouldn't be so keen to get rid.

 

[Erick1011]

He has not kicked on at all. If he was, Ajax wouldn't be so keen to get rid.

Has Traoré kicked on? Neres has better goals and assists to game ratio. But alas, not as fast.

 

[Rhyl Wolf]

No, just **** off Levy

This. 50 times. Can't stand the man.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

No, just **** off Levy

Totally agree. If you can’t afford him, then **** off and find someone you can. Entitled *****.

Jeff, if you’re reading this, no Wolves fan will respect you if you bend over for his lowball offers, and no Wolves fan will criticise you, if you walk away. Nothing against Spurs as a club, or selling Traore for a reasonable price.

 

[sc91]

Has Traoré kicked on? Neres has better goals and assists to game ratio. But alas, not as fast.

One plays in the Dutch league, the other is Prem. Alfonso Alves was a beast in the latter.

 

[CologneWolf]

I dont think you have thought that through. Its not a case of bravado , its that he is not valueless ?
His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists, it can hardly be worse on that account.
Fosun will know his value to us today . And what his market value is , Mendes can help here.
Spurs want him they pay it by that set date, or there is little point in selling him. But your idea that Spurs hold all the cards is wrong ,because I assume Conte wants him.

“His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists.”

“His value will decrease unless he scores and assists.”

Judging him on the body of evidence he has presented in his wolves career thus far, i assert that the latter statement is a more accurate hypothesis. His best spell lasted 3 months but that was nearly 24 months ago. So therefore, effectively, Spurs do hold the cards I’m afraid. If asking price is too high and we are unwilling to negotiate they will just walk away knowing they can get him on the cheap further down the track. They should be more inclined to say take our offer or leave it, not wolves.

 

[Lisas Husband]

“His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists.”

“His value will decrease unless he scores and assists.”

Judging him on the body of evidence he has presented in his wolves career thus far, i assert that the latter statement is a more accurate hypothesis. His best spell lasted 3 months but that was nearly 24 months ago. So therefore, effectively, Spurs do hold the cards I’m afraid. If asking price is too high and we are unwilling to negotiate they will just walk away knowing they can get him on the cheap further down the track. They should be more inclined to say take our offer or leave it, not wolves.

Spot on.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Totally agree. If you can’t afford him, then **** off and find someone you can. Entitled *****.

Jeff, if you’re reading this, no Wolves fan will respect you if you bend over for his lowball offers, and no Wolves fan will criticise you, if you walk away. Nothing against Spurs as a club, or selling Traore for a reasonable price.

Actually, Jeff was castigated by many Wolves fans for walking away from the Botman deal. Lille thought they could up the price near the deadline, but Jeff didn’t bite.
Now other clubs know that he’s not a pushover.

BTW…..why do you think, even for a moment, that Jeff would bend over for a lowball offer? Would you bend over?

 

[Mighty Thor]

The owners plan to plough 50 million into grasshoppers in the next few years according to this article.Maybe they have put us on hold.

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Maybe they realised the premier league is too competitive and expensive. The reality is to get wolves in the champions league would cost hundreds of millions and even then would be a punt. On the other hand 50-100m probably wins you the Swiss league and champions league qualification for several years?

 

[wwbug]

“His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists.”

“His value will decrease unless he scores and assists.”

Judging him on the body of evidence he has presented in his wolves career thus far, i assert that the latter statement is a more accurate hypothesis. His best spell lasted 3 months but that was nearly 24 months ago. So therefore, effectively, Spurs do hold the cards I’m afraid. If asking price is too high and we are unwilling to negotiate they will just walk away knowing they can get him on the cheap further down the track. They should be more inclined to say take our offer or leave it, not wolves.

I am not saying he is worth a certain price . Even if it’s £10 million or less , then tell Spurs it got to be done by the end of next week . I am assuming Spurs want him . That is their weakness and why they don’t hold all the cards . Otherwise he could go elsewhere in the summer or next week at that low price . Spurs are not the only club . But if we leave it too late we have weakened our squad .for no extra value . It’s the timing that’s important.

 

[VancouverWolf]

“His value may decrease but it might increase if he gets game time and scores, and assists.”

“His value will decrease unless he scores and assists.”

Judging him on the body of evidence he has presented in his wolves career thus far, i assert that the latter statement is a more accurate hypothesis. His best spell lasted 3 months but that was nearly 24 months ago. So therefore, effectively, Spurs do hold the cards I’m afraid. If asking price is too high and we are unwilling to negotiate they will just walk away knowing they can get him on the cheap further down the track. They should be more inclined to say take our offer or leave it, not wolves.

Who holds the cards……..
A lot could depend on who wants a deal for Adama more? Does Jeff want to be rid of Adama more than Levy wants to buy him?
Levy might think that Jeff might want Adama off his hands and therefore push hard with a lower offer.

 

[1972 i began]

If I was Jeff I'd tell levy this...If you want adama you'd better get a move on,because if you think you will get him cheaper in the closing minutes of deadline day.Then you're bloody mistaken.Actually if wet spam come in for him now.I'm gonna sell him to them.**** you.

 

[Deleted member 9202LYK]

Maybe they realised the premier league is too competitive and expensive. Yeh reality is to get wolves in the champions league would cost hundreds of millions and even then would be a punt. On the other hand 50-100m probably wins you the Swiss league and champions league qualification for several years?

If you’re buying young players cheap, developing them and selling on it helps if your overheads are low and you are in the champions league.

This is definitely the reason fosun have backed off - we’re too high maintenance and they are going to change their focus.

 

[CologneWolf]

Who holds the cards……..
A lot could depend on who wants a deal for Adama more? Does Jeff want to be rid of Adama more than Levy wants to buy him?
Levy might think that Jeff might want Adama off his hands and therefore push hard with a lower offer.

I’m sorry, but I fail to see if there is a counterpoint to your post, if you are in agreeance or just pondering your thoughts aloud.

I answered exactly that question earlier this evening i.e. Spurs don’t want traore as much as we want him to be gone... So the “take it or leave it” approach would be best employed from the Spurs side of the table.

 

[Fenrir_]

I don’t think Tanganga is that good. when I have watched him seems to be a bit wild in the tackle. Far better than him around for the money involved!

Yeah tend to agree. Tanganga seems like a walking red card (should arguably have been sent off in both games we've had against Spurs this season) and with Semedo and Hoever here, I'd steer clear of him

 

[giantwolf]

Maybe they realised the premier league is too competitive and expensive. Yeh reality is to get wolves in the champions league would cost hundreds of millions and even then would be a punt. On the other hand 50-100m probably wins you the Swiss league and champions league qualification for several years?

Or maybe they’re putting in money there like they did with us, so they’re stable before fending for themselves. They then might move onto club number 3 on their steps to the fabled ‘Red Bull model’

 

[Wisdomwolf]

Actually, Jeff was castigated by many Wolves fans for walking away from the Botman deal. Lille thought they could up the price near the deadline, but Jeff didn’t bite.
Now other clubs know that he’s not a pushover.

BTW…..why do you think, even for a moment, that Jeff would bend over for a lowball offer? Would you bend over?

Levy has flushed down the toilet £250m of signings which haven’t worked for a variety of reasons in the last 3-4 years. His reputation is only there because of his press mates. Jeff and co are no mugs. You don’t survive at Fosun if you are an idiot, and this is a prestigious project for them.

 

[hollo]

Weren't they interested in bordeaux?

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Christ this is the transfer window equivalent of Godfather 3.

 

[CologneWolf]

Christ this is the transfer window equivalent of Godfather 3.

Every wolves fan, every transfer window.

 

[SquaddieWolf]

Christ this is the transfer window equivalent of Godfather 3.

Still a good film just nowhere near the standards of first 2 lol

 

[WickedWolfie]

I wish we would just sell Adama asap and replace him with Renato Sanches. Adama looks done here and no-one else looks genuinely interested in Sanches or he would likely have already moved.

Bring back Morgan and we would have 5 first team midfield options and 6 first team forwards. The balance of the squad would be evened out again.

Then bring in Caleta-Car for £15m, who also appears to have no other suitors and we would be ready to launch a decent assault on the League in the second half of the season.

The issue with signing players who look good but no one else wants is as simple as asking exactly why the latter is the case....

 

[wwbug]

If you’re buying young players cheap, developing them and selling on it helps if your overheads are low and you are in the champions league.

This is definitely the reason fosun have backed off - we’re too high maintenance and they are going to change their focus.

Surely Fosun knew this before hand. It hasnt changed much in the last 5 years.
Fosun bought brands - and Wolves have it all , 1877 and a pedigree history to revival any in Europe up until around 60 years ago.
For that they paid £30 million , that has increased by almost tenfold, and they have a top ten Premier League club watched by billions around the globe, with a strong history. If anything has changed in the last 5 years its China desire to invest in the Midlands. My hope is China see this as a commercial entity not a political one.

 

[TF2Wolf]

If you’re buying young players cheap, developing them and selling on it helps if your overheads are low and you are in the champions league.

This is definitely the reason fosun have backed off - we’re too high maintenance and they are going to change their focus.

Maybe I’m being too optimistic but could it be with the more stringent requirements to get work permits for the typical Fosun profile signing. This might be a way to more easily sign the ‘Neto’ type u21 players if they have got Champions League experience with Grasshoppers even if it’s the qualifying rounds?

 

[Lisas Husband]

Who holds the cards……..
A lot could depend on who wants a deal for Adama more? Does Jeff want to be rid of Adama more than Levy wants to buy him?
Levy might think that Jeff might want Adama off his hands and therefore push hard with a lower offer.

But Jeff doesn't have to accept an offer does he? If an offer is below our valuation we can always keep him and utilise him.

 

[wolvesaywe]

Maybe they realised the premier league is too competitive and expensive. Yeh reality is to get wolves in the champions league would cost hundreds of millions and even then would be a punt. On the other hand 50-100m probably wins you the Swiss league and champions league qualification for several years?

So why then have Man City's owners and Red Bull bought up clubs around the world?

Almost like it's a project to feed the club at the top of the pyramid

 

[VancouverWolf]

I’m sorry, but I fail to see if there is a counterpoint to your post, if you are in agreeance or just pondering your thoughts aloud.

I answered exactly that question earlier this evening i.e. Spurs don’t want traore as much as we want him to be gone... So the “take it or leave it” approach would be best employed from the Spurs side of the table.

Sorry…..I missed that part about your earlier post.

 

[VancouverWolf]

But Jeff doesn't have to accept an offer does he? If an offer is below our valuation we can always keep him and utilise him.

You’re absolutely right. However, in business and life, you just want to move on and will cut your losses. Done it a few times myself…..was tempted to start litigation, ( would most likely have won), but , what a relief when I let go. No more hassle and time to focus on the future.
Jeff might very well be in the same frame of mind with Adama……..let’s just move on.