Forest- possible points deduction

[tonto]

Irrespective of opinions, thems the rules that all the clubs signed up for. You can't bitch about them being unfair because you've broken them.

It reminds me of the ****s that park on double yellow lines, then moan about a parking ticket

 

[Aurum Lupus]

In fairness, that is people moaning about an opinion. You have every right to do that. Also he is crap to any club that isn’t the sky 6 or that times media darlings. So he is a consistent moron…… but he is a total lemon in truth to many…. So not really the same as many fans moan or mock the bloke if you ask someone who does “hate read” his stuff as there can’t be many who read it because it is decent lol

They are playing the victim of a situation where they were the perpetrators of systematic and deliberate cheating and are getting punished.

Poles apart in my eyes……

Agreed, my dislike of Garth Crooks has nothing to do with his opinions on Wolves. It started when we was doing the TV football punditry and his over eagerness to be the one heard most and then was solidified reading the ignorance in most of his articles. He's also got a face only a mother could love, but I won't hold that against him!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Agreed, my dislike of Garth Crooks has nothing to do with his opinions on Wolves. It started when we was doing the TV football punditry and his over eagerness to be the one heard most and then was solidified reading the ignorance in most of his articles. He's also got a face only a mother could love, but I won't hold that against him!

Hopefully we find out more tomorrow

 

[SquaddieWolf]

It reminds me of the ****s that park on double yellow lines, then moan about a parking ticket

Especially when they then say "but I left my hazards on" like that makes it legal

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

I can’t get my head around the fact that if say Man City , Villa , Chelsea , Everton , Forest and Spurs were all docked 20 points at the start of the season then there’s still only three clubs that can go down
So how is it punishment for the ones that stay up ?? Apart from the possibility of missing out on a European spot , they’ve basically got away with it and would just carry on as before
Or is this *******s I’m spouting ?

Agreed - teams should be relegated for breaching it. And relegated again if they breach the efl rules

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Still no update about forest?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Still no update about forest?

Need the Everton appeal verdict first. The wheels do move very slowly. Do wonder if the time it's taking implies it won't just be a rubber stamping of the original decision.

 

[kidder_wolf_II]

Need the Everton appeal verdict first. The wheels do move very slowly. Do wonder if the time it's taking implies it won't just be a rubber stamping of the original decision.

Apparently any potential points deductions for Forest and Everton (second offence) will come in April with the appeal decision coming end of May.

Saying that I can’t see any appeal being successful as the PL will just apply a points deduction based on what Everton receive after their appeal for their first offence.

 

[Minimalist]

Seems to me a lot of this uncertainty and appeals process could have been avoided if the PL had just clearly stated what exact punishment could be expected for breaking the rules.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Apparently any potential points deductions for Forest and Everton (second offence) will come in April with the appeal decision coming end of May.

Saying that I can’t see any appeal being successful as the PL will just apply a points deduction based on what Everton receive after their appeal for their first offence.

Final decision 24th May is just ridiculous. Surely it's possible to knock a week off that and have the season actually finish with the final whistle.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Seems to me a lot of this uncertainty and appeals process could have been avoided if the PL had just clearly stated what exact punishment could be expected for breaking the rules.

Superficially attractive but no justice system works on a "one size fits all" basis. Circumstances always come into it.

 

[Minimalist]

Superficially attractive but no justice system works on a "one size fits all" basis. Circumstances always come into it.

Well, we’re not talking manslaughter!
I’d say it’s more akin to going overdrawn at the bank; which has a clear penalty.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Well, we’re not talking manslaughter!
I’d say it’s more akin to going overdrawn at the bank; which has a clear penalty.

After handling litigation against HMG for well over 10 years l would say that me learned friends would disagree and actively take legal steps.

 

[OLDGOLD]

Always hilarious when we accuse other fans of playing the victim card when the Mix has a thread devoted to Garth Crooks' team of the week

Different gravy though. Feeling aggrieved about the random player pickings of a buffoon with seemingly worse football knowledge than a psychic octopus, is not really being a victim I don't think.

 

[OLDGOLD]

After handling litigation against HMG for well over 10 years l would say that me learned friends would disagree and actively take legal steps.

Yep, gotta keep the jobs for the boys.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

As I’ve said before, allowing clubs to rack up debt to the tune of 105mil over 3 years is totally reckless!

Yes it is. Some think it's a privilege for Fosun to lose £35m a year, year on year.

That's how you murder a football club. I'm all for Fosun turning a profit every year.

 

[Minimalist]

After handling litigation against HMG for well over 10 years l would say that me learned friends would disagree and actively take legal steps.

There is surely a difference between a criminal court and a sporting sanction?
We don’t have red cards or var decisions taken to court…. yet!

 

[WickedWolfie]

There is surely a difference between a criminal court and a sporting sanction?
We don’t have red cards or var decisions taken to court…. yet!

You might think that.... Then look at the fact that the Court of Arbitration for Sport not only exists but has been around for years. Top level sport is big business so......

Oh, and a VAR decision was taken to a Belgian court which ordered a game replayed....

‘Misapplication of the laws’: VAR error leads to full replay of Belgian match | Video assistant referees (VARs) | The Guardian

Genk were denied a penalty retake in defeat to Anderlecht and the ruling to overturn it is believed to be first of its kind in European football

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Minimalist]

You might think that.... Then look at the fact that the Court of Arbitration for Sport not only exists but has been around for years. Top level sport is big business so......

Oh, and a VAR decision was taken to a Belgian court which ordered a game replayed....

‘Misapplication of the laws’: VAR error leads to full replay of Belgian match | Video assistant referees (VARs) | The Guardian

Genk were denied a penalty retake in defeat to Anderlecht and the ruling to overturn it is believed to be first of its kind in European football

amp.theguardian.com

My point though is that it’s the ambiguity that leads to challenges,
Clubs don’t challenge relegation for finishing in the bottom 3.
Break ffp get a x point deduction.

Remember Everton aren’t challenging the fact they broke the rules, they are arguing the punishment for it.

 

[Premier Quality]

The only bits that are being challenged are technicalities - Everton’s was that they shouldn’t have to count interest on their loans, which could theoretically have been for their stadium (they weren’t), when spending on the stadium is exempt.

The punishment for breaking ffp is fairly clear - it’s something like 6 points for breaking it, plus a point for every £5m over (that’s from my memory, I’ve not looked it up again)

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I can’t get my head around the fact that if say Man City , Villa , Chelsea , Everton , Forest and Spurs were all docked 20 points at the start of the season then there’s still only three clubs that can go down
So how is it punishment for the ones that stay up ?? Apart from the possibility of missing out on a European spot , they’ve basically got away with it and would just carry on as before
Or is this *******s I’m spouting ?

Maybe a transfer embargo for 2 windows and higher points deduction would help?

 

[Nige100]

Looking like 4 points. Puts them in bottom 3.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

So....spend what they want. Breach everything. 4 points deduction? Pittance

 

[Supadavewolf]

So....spend what they want. Breach everything. 4 points deduction? Pittance

There’s a nought missing for me.

 

[Ches78]

Should have ignored FFP and signed a couple of top drawer strikers - could have won the FA Cup!

 

[SuperGran]

That’s a ridiculous penalty no deterrent whatsoever and a smack in the teeth for those that follow the rules

 

[WickedWolfie]

That’s a ridiculous penalty no deterrent whatsoever and a smack in the teeth for those that follow the rules

The result will inevitably be lots of clubs breaching....

 

[greco wolf]

Very soft in my view

 

[wolfgar]

Seems very soft tbqh. I’d strongly back both Everton and Forest to both stay up from here. Not much of a punishment really.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Could have kept Neves ffs

Sign him back?

 

[Munich_Wolf]

Probably will get 3 back on appeal after the season has ended so on the off chance they go down, they probably stay up.

What's the ****ing point?

 

[Jefe]

Definitely could've signed a decent striker on loan in January. Given the precedent set by the Everton and Forest rulings, we'd have got what, a couple of points at most? A small price to pay compared to that of forcing Fraser to play week-in week-out.

 

[thommo1984]

So, so soft.

Cowards.

 

[wolfslair]

Begs the question why didn’t we just take the 4pts and get a striker in Jan?

There is almost a zero punishment really for streaking a rule and gaining a competitive advantage this season……

 

[CelebrityWolf]

4 points too many

 

[Nige100]

Probably means Everton don’t get a further punishment too. Surely they can’t give them another 4 on top of the 6??

 

[JamesWolves]

Begs the question why didn’t we just take the 4pts and get a striker in Jan?

There is almost a zero punishment really for streaking a rule and gaining a competitive advantage this season……

Lets face it knowing us, it would have been -30

 

[CelebrityWolf]

Probably will get 3 back on appeal after the season has ended so on the off chance they go down, they probably stay up.

What's the ****ing point?

There is no point, it is a farce that cannot and should not be implemented fairly.

 

[Skrilla]

Didn’t they only breach it by £10m or close to that? Obviously precedence is key but obviously these penalties have to scale by severity of the breach.

Forest seemingly using the Brennan Johnson sale to save themselves from a far more significant points penalty.

It has to be said though, if you’re a team just getting promoted, spending a fortune to stay up and then taking a small points penalty in the following season has to sound appealing - the cost of relegation is hundreds of millions in lost revenue.

 

[Jefe]

Didn’t they only breach it by £10m or close to that? Obviously precedence is key but obviously these penalties have to scale by severity of the breach.

Forest seemingly using the Brennan Johnson sale to save themselves from a far more significant points penalty.

It has to be said though, if you’re a team just getting promoted, spending a fortune to stay up and then taking a small points penalty in the following season has to sound appealing - the cost of relegation is hundreds of millions in lost revenue.

This article seems to suggest the independent panel did not accept this as a valid defence.

Nottingham Forest docked four points for Premier League financial rules breach

Nottingham Forest have received a four-point deduction for breaching the Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules

www.theguardian.com