Everton, surely a points deduction?

[WW1963]

We are not quite over the line. We are 17 clear of Luton and have 7 games left. One more win formally secures it.

Let's hope it's not against Luton or Forest.

 

[SE10 Wolf]

“Over a three-day hearing last month, the independent commission heard evidence and arguments from the club in respect of a range of potential mitigating factors for its admitted breach of £16.6million, including the impact of its two successive PSR charges. Having done so, the commission determined the appropriate sanction to be a two-point deduction, taking effect immediately.”

So a major mitigating factor is that they were an admitted repeat offender?!

 

[wolfslair]

“Over a three-day hearing last month, the independent commission heard evidence and arguments from the club in respect of a range of potential mitigating factors for its admitted breach of £16.6million, including the impact of its two successive PSR charges. Having done so, the commission determined the appropriate sanction to be a two-point deduction, taking effect immediately.”

So a major mitigating factor is that they were an admitted repeat offender?!

Independent regulator needed ASAP

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

“Over a three-day hearing last month, the independent commission heard evidence and arguments from the club in respect of a range of potential mitigating factors for its admitted breach of £16.6million, including the impact of its two successive PSR charges. Having done so, the commission determined the appropriate sanction to be a two-point deduction, taking effect immediately.”

So a major mitigating factor is that they were an admitted repeat offender?!

I think the mitigation is that they've already been done for two of the years as it's a three-year rolling thing.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

We have had more apologies from Howard Webb than Everton have had points deductions. Truly laughable.

 

[wolfslair]

I think the mitigation is that they've already been done for two of the years as it's a three-year rolling thing.

Yeah but it is a farce that each year the points punishment is going down…….

This wouldn’t feel so amateur if it was 2 the first time and 4 this time

That would show that the punishments for not improving worsen.

This shows so far that the punishment doesn’t match the offence of cheating FFP to gain an unfair advantage year on year if you are as brazen as everton

 

[SE10 Wolf]

I think the mitigation is that they've already been done for two of the years as it's a three-year rolling thing.

I understand that is what their expensive KC argued however the EPL signed up to the three year rolling and each period stands on its own, or so I thought!

An analogy might be getting flashed by two separate speed cameras on the same road on the same journey and pleading that as you’d been fined and points added (!) for the first one the second one should be less even if you are actually going faster than at the first camera.

 

[Watfordfc]

Apparently Everton might have more cases to answer going into next season?!

Never ending .

Everton could face further punishment after being hit with two-point deduction

Everton face another hearing into their second breach of Premier League profitability and sustainability rules, raising the possibility of a third points deduction

www.theguardian.com

 

[Surrey Wolf]

What a load of ****! Making it up as they go along

 

[SE10 Wolf]

We have had more apologies from Howard Webb than Everton have had points deductions. Truly laughable.

On the upside, we’ve ‘lost’ one less point than Everton and Forest combined, prior to appeal decisions! So there’s that!!

 

[Ercall Wolves]

So basically Everton and Forest are probably going to achieve their start of season target of staying in the league. I don’t see what they’ve lost by cheating?!

Yep staying in the league by breaking the rules and cheating

 

[StaffordWolf]

Hope they go into administration and mike Ashley buys them.

 

[JohnB]

Hope they go into administration and mike Ashley buys them.

Or the ex-Villa, Blues and West Brom owners as a consortium?

 

[Rhoswolf]

At least we now know there's nowhere to hide for Chairman Jeff and Fosun when they again fail to sign what's needed, whilst selling off our better players.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I think the mitigation is that they've already been done for two of the years as it's a three-year rolling thing.

Unfortunately yes, I think that’s what it means. Total kop out, as the existing rules don’t allow for taking into account prior punishment for overlapping years in multiple assessment periods.

 

[Darvo]

There is just so much wrong with the game currently.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Unfortunately yes, I think that’s what it means. Total kop out, as the existing rules don’t allow for taking into account prior punishment for overlapping years in multiple assessment periods.

It's just ridiculous isn't it. Each year you know what you've done previously and how much room for manoeuvre you have. So each year you don't do that is a separate offence. The only mitigation for them is that the 21/22 season didn't get finalised until after the 22/23 accounts ended, but if they'd sorted it when they should have done then Everton would have been relegated. As it is with a half decent finish to the season they've got away with cheating for 2 seasons for a sanction that doesn't affect them.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Madness how much money has probably gone into that review.

Meanwhile one **** refereee on Saturday deducts us one point

 

[Watfordfc]

They all say it's unfair because Man City haven't been punished but I believe they have a very different set of charges ( plus a load more ( and are defending themselves against all of them as is their right.

Of course it's taken a long time but maybe City will be strongly penalised.

I say maybe ..

 

[SA Wolf]

They all say it's unfair because Man City haven't been punished but I believe they have a very different set of charges ( plus a load more ( and are defending themselves against all of them as is their right.

Of course it's taken a long time but maybe City will be strongly penalised.

I say maybe ..

Did you see it?

Possibly not, due to the Solar Eclipse, but pretty-sure I saw a flying porker.

 

[inaglasshouse]

Just enough to not mean anything much. They have friends in high places.

 

[Darvo]

Bizarrely, ironically and some would say comically, if Everton go down cos of their points deductions, there’s a real chance they will go into administration … the very thing FFP is trying to avoid.

 

[Chriswwfc]

Pathetic.

 

[Ned]

Watch Luton get some horrible decisions go against them between now and the end of the season.

 

[OLDGOLD]

2 points. It's a ****ing joke. We sold loads of players in Summer to comply, and have been *****ed over by VAR all season. Its more bent than Uri Gellers spoon collection

 

[Finch3d]

Hopefully Luton can save the day and can do the job of the Premier league by relegating one them.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

I’m usually the first to doubt any actual corruption in the PL and just chalk stuff up to coincidence or bad luck. But 2 points for a second offence? WTAF.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Maybe the PL can redeem themselves by blocking 777’s takeover, force Everton into administration, and flush them properly…

 

[theweave]

Maybe the PL can redeem themselves by blocking 777’s takeover, force Everton into administration, and flush them properly…

Probably be just as bad if the takeover goes through, 777 are a house of cards

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Maybe the PL can redeem themselves by blocking 777’s takeover, force Everton into administration, and flush them properly…

It’s on the cards

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Anyone for 20 own goals vs Luton to do our best to relegate forest or Everton

 

[Lawndog]

Watch Luton get some horrible decisions go against them between now and the end of the season.

Yeah.......probably when they play us!

 

[chignalwolf]

Yeah but it is a farce that each year the points punishment is going down…….

This wouldn’t feel so amateur if it was 2 the first time and 4 this time

That would show that the punishments for not improving worsen.

This shows so far that the punishment doesn’t match the offence of cheating FFP to gain an unfair advantage year on year if you are as brazen as everton

makes you wonder if we did the right thing selling all the family jewels to keep inside those rules,
keep all the players and get deducted 8 points,

The whole set up stinks of corruption to me,

 

[Axle]

We have had more apologies from Howard Webb than Everton have had points deductions. Truly laughable.

This is an important point. Football is increasingly decided by off the pitch decisions (aka incompetence).

However we have lost more points through no fault of our own than Everton have through wilfully breaking the rules.

That’s OK though. You coughed to it early so let’s make it a joke punishment to match the joke organisation that are ‘running’ (ruining) our game

 

[Andywolf74]

Unless your a lifelong mega rich fan of a club or mega rich Uk football lover, I’m totally bemused and have been for a long time as to why you would invest in something that consistently runs up large losses, even when the club you own are successful on the pitch.
It’s far from perfect but I agree with the principle of a points deduction for clubs who significantly overspend more than the revenue received. Portsmouth are an example of a club who had a spell of success on phoney finance and are now finally on the brink of making it back to the Championship after years in League 1.

 

[SydneyWolf]

Their breaches are less than $20m for each of the past two years. Essentially they could have sold Pickford or Branthwaite at any point during that time and been compliant, but would have significantly weakened the team. They actively chose not to (ie they deliberately chose sporting advantage over compliance with the rules) which makes the penalties imposed on them a joke. There's absolutely no deterrent. How much better off would we be if we had been able to rotate Neves and Nunes through the team this year? How Everton have the front to appeal the latest 2 points is beyond me. I would love both them and Forest to lose additional points for frivolous appeals given how lenient the initial penalties have been.

 

[oldgolded]

They all say it's unfair because Man City haven't been punished but I believe they have a very different set of charges ( plus a load more ( and are defending themselves against all of them as is their right.

Of course it's taken a long time but maybe City will be strongly penalised.

I say maybe ..

The whole thing is so complicated at the moment, but I read that the new rule changes due to be introduced will effectively let Man City off the hook, and probably Chelsea too. The whole thing seems utterly corrupt to me.

 

[Immigration wolf]

makes you wonder if we did the right thing selling all the family jewels to keep inside those rules,
keep all the players and get deducted 8 points,

The whole set up stinks of corruption to me,

We would have been made an example of and deducted 12 points and no right of appeal!

 

[glorybox]

This is an important point. Football is increasingly decided by off the pitch decisions (aka incompetence).

However we have lost more points through no fault of our own than Everton have through wilfully breaking the rules.

That’s OK though. You coughed to it early so let’s make it a joke punishment to match the joke organisation that are ‘running’ (ruining) our game

Coughed up but then appealed it. You couldn’t make it up.

 

[Stingray II]

The judge thanks the jury for their verdict, then turns to the defendant.
"You have been found guilty of the crime of murder, which you committed soon after leaving prison. This is a very serious crime and usually carries a heavy sentence. However, given that you have recently finished serving 25 years for a previous murder, the court sympathises and sentences you to five years in prison for this second, repeat offence.