Everton, surely a points deduction?

[wolfslair]

You may not see any comparison, but cheating and getting away with it on the field is where it begins. Clubs see that cheating is not only tolerated, but actively encouraged. Managers tell players to feign injury and dive for penalties, etc..... They train them to do so. Players and clubs are rewarded for doing so and so it goes up the greasy-pole to the boardroom. It is no wonder that clubs then see cheating the system as the 'norm' and rules don't apply to them.
You may not see any correlation, but cheating shouldn't be accepted at any level and if it was stamped out at lower levels, perhaps it wouldn't reach Everton's and Man City's and Nottingham Forest's and Chelsea's levels. It may be "nonsense" to you, but it's the thin end of the wedge and is a blight on what used to be called 'the beautiful game'.

Cheating is cheating. Where did I say one is acceptable and one isn’t?

I said comparing the two or suggesting the two as being equal is nonsense. Because it is…..

All elite sport involves cheating and finding “gamesmanship” opportunities are coached into youngsters. I had an England rugby captain at the time teach us sooooo many illegal and “gamesmanship” acts in our academy side. He said “elite sport is about winning and winning is done by those who cheat the best without getting caught.”

Cricketers are taught how to “tamper” with the ball subtly to speed up being able to get more movement out of it.

But the two scenarios of on field cheating and essentially committing financial “doping” are significantly different in severity and the values and ethics of the league structure and competition.

One player diving doesn’t compare to a team systematically cheating the whole league financial structure for three years relegating teams who didn’t because they had multiple players who they shouldn’t have been able to afford. So Everton cheated just by having players cross the whitewash…… before they even kicked a ball they cheated…. That is way worse than any dive or feigning injury.

Cheating by having multiple players you shouldn’t is way worse as that is cheating multiple times a game timesed by the number of fixtures so having only 3 players you shouldn’t means you have cheated 114 times before a ball is kicked…… now add on how many point winning/match altering moments those players contribute.

I doubt with almost categorical certainty podence flopping around even comes close to touching that number of incidents of cheating and points won by cheating to that done by Everton………

Players cheat, every team has players that cheat. So that cheating almost cancels each other out. But the FFP cheating is cheating on a level i find deplorable and should see significant and harsh punishments like relegation. But to do it in concurrent seasons for me shows a level of cheating and deliberate actions to do so that the book should have been thrown at them!!!!

 

[JohnB]

Everton call in insolvency advisers amid fresh doubt over 777 takeover

Everton are calling in a firm of restructuring and insolvency advisers, the Guardian understands, raising further questions about the proposed takeover by 777 Partners

www.theguardian.com

 

[lobodelsur]

Everton call in insolvency advisers amid fresh doubt over 777 takeover

Everton are calling in a firm of restructuring and insolvency advisers, the Guardian understands, raising further questions about the proposed takeover by 777 Partners

www.theguardian.com

Yup. Forget about points deductions - just serve them a winding up order.

 

[JohnB]

Is there a tactic that Everton escape relegation by 9+ points and then go into administration this season knowing they are safe?

 

[Watfordfc]

Is there a tactic that Everton escape relegation by 9+ points and then go into administration this season knowing they are safe?

I presume the points if any would have to be next season ?

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785259946273296706

Sounds like 9 points coming off for Everton

 

[Pagey]

Is there a tactic that Everton escape relegation by 9+ points and then go into administration this season knowing they are safe?

Any deduction for admin would be the start of next season.

 

[thommo1984]

Is there a tactic that Everton escape relegation by 9+ points and then go into administration this season knowing they are safe?

Have read rumours that they’re planning on doing exactly that.

 

[JohnB]

Could the deduction be this season and only deducted next season if still in administration? (this might be reality anyway)

The history of points deductions in the Premier League

A look back at the history of points deductions in the Premier League.

www.90min.com

 

[JadeWolf]

So that’s Leicester and Everton starting next season on minus points.

 

[StaffordWolf]

Have read rumours that they’re planning on doing exactly that.

If they go into admin the first thing to be sold off to pay debts will be that stadium I imagine.

 

[WickedWolfie]

If they go into admin the first thing to be sold off to pay debts will be that stadium I imagine.

It's an interesting question, given that one of the groups owed money has a charge on the new stadium, whether they could do that. I suspect not.

 

[JohnB]

It's an interesting question, given that one of the groups owed money has a charge on the new stadium, whether they could do that. I suspect not.

Presumably groups owed money would keep it but charge Everton to play in it….not certain if Everton can stay in Goodison (presumably this is already sold). Maybe playing at Sixfields like Coventry did then.

 

[JohnB]

So that’s Leicester and Everton starting next season on minus points.

Can we start a Teams who cannot catch us 2024/25 thread. Add in Chelsea and Man City for their (alleged) breaches. Not certain if Forest could fall foul again. Villa and Newcastle potentially also need to sell…..maybe next season will be a good one!!

 

[Rabid Wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785337169004949795

Not looking good for 777.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785337169004949795

Not looking good for 777.

Let’s pick off some Everton and Vasco players on the cheap

The Wolves are circling

 

[Starsky]

Well this all comes as a massive surprise.

 

[Rabid Wolf]

I'm fairly sure I read somewhere 777 are being sued for $30m in the US afew months ago.

 

[Scallywolf]

Let’s pick off some Everton and Vasco players on the cheap

The Wolves are circling

I wouldn’t want any Everton players. Not one!

And I don’t know any Vasco players, so forget it.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I'm fairly sure I read somewhere 777 are being sued for $30m in the US afew months ago.

They have, and have had, a string of cases against them. A company literally built on bad debt.

 

[Wolf316]

I wouldn’t want any Everton players. Not one!

And I don’t know any Vasco players, so forget it.

Onana, Branthwaite, Pickford?

 

[WW1963]

So that’s Leicester and Everton starting next season on minus points.

Wolves will start the season on -15 points, which will be spread over 38 games via the video assistant referees.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Wolves will start the season on -15 points, which will be spread over 38 games via the video assistant referees.

How many points have we lost from wrong decisions since the introduction of VAR must be getting close to 30

 

[Scallywolf]

Onana, Branthwaite, Pickford?

No thanks.

Onana struggles to get in their starting 11, Branthwaite was rubbish last season and he’s so so.

Pickford is ok, but makes big mistakes. Sa is just as good imo.

All about opinions, I know, but there are better players we could get.

 

[Alienwolf]

How many points have we lost from wrong decisions since the introduction of VAR must be getting close to 30

30 points os, of course, the gross figure. You need to deduct the points that we’ve gained from decisions going on our favour, so the net figure is something closer to 30 points.

 

[Pagey]

Can we start a Teams who cannot catch us 2024/25 thread. Add in Chelsea and Man City for their (alleged) breaches. Not certain if Forest could fall foul again. Villa and Newcastle potentially also need to sell…..maybe next season will be a good one!!

Only a few more and we're guaranteed champions league.

 

[lets all have a disco]

So that’s Leicester and Everton starting next season on minus points.

Don't tell Jeff ......he will sell a few more in the summer.....

 

[thommo1984]

I wouldn’t want any Everton players. Not one!

And I don’t know any Vasco players, so forget it.

Would take Dwight McNeil, been class this season.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I wouldn’t want any Everton players. Not one!

And I don’t know any Vasco players, so forget it.

Not much to write home about but some young players that could improve Piton for a pittance lol

 

[Ercall Wolves]

I’d like to get Summerville from Leeds

 

[JohnB]

I’d like to get Summerville from Leeds

I think the Leeds fans have said “Don’t leave me this way”.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I’d like to get Summerville from Leeds

Good player may have bigger suitors though.

When will Everton get docked next season? So Luton can put in a claim for financial compo then lol

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Would take Dwight McNeil, been class this season.

He would thrive in our set-up as a left-sided forward with Ait-Nouri overlapping on the wing from deep, and he could tuck in and add to midfield when required. Good set pieces too.

The kind of underrated player who would finally be noticed properly if he came here, a more consistent Sarabia.

 

[Mancwolf56]

He would thrive in our set-up as a left-sided forward with Ait-Nouri overlapping on the wing from deep, and he could tuck in and add to midfield when required. Good set pieces too.

The kind of underrated player who would finally be noticed properly if he came here, a more consistent Sarabia.

To be honest the Everton fans have been less than complimentary about him to say the least

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

What a farce football is now with VAR and these points deductions at times clubs want to take them

 

[Golden_Wolf]

No thanks.

Onana struggles to get in their starting 11, Branthwaite was rubbish last season and he’s so so.

Pickford is ok, but makes big mistakes. Sa is just as good imo.

All about opinions, I know, but there are better players we could get.

Did you watch much of the Dutch league last season then?

 

[Scallywolf]

Did you watch much of the Dutch league last season then?

Ja heb ik gedaan (yes I did)

Actually I didn’t, must have been the season before, but I still don’t rate him.

Bit of hype going around about him and his value, but there you go.

 

[Oldgoldilox]

"BBC Sport understands the club are not taking insolvency advice,, external but are considering ways of restructuring its short-term debt to make it more manageable.

The club owes about £400m to numerous third-party firms, with much of the loans being used towards the building of the new stadium.

It is believed there is currently not a threat of administration as the club remain up to date with payments to stakeholders such as the players, staff, stadium construction company Laing O'Rourke and HMRC."

Who do you believe, Guardian or the Beeb?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

"BBC Sport understands the club are not taking insolvency advice,, external but are considering ways of restructuring its short-term debt to make it more manageable.

The club owes about £400m to numerous third-party firms, with much of the loans being used towards the building of the new stadium.

It is believed there is currently not a threat of administration as the club remain up to date with payments to stakeholders such as the players, staff, stadium construction company Laing O'Rourke and HMRC."

Who do you believe, Guardian or the Beeb?

Do they actually contradict each other? The Guardian is saying Teneo can advise on insolvency and restructuring. The BBC is saying they are just advising on restructuring (basically because 777 have no money!).

 

[WickedWolfie]

Do they actually contradict each other? The Guardian is saying Teneo can advise on insolvency and restructuring. The BBC is saying they are just advising on restructuring (basically because 777 have no money!).

Not only have no money but may actually want repayment....