Everton, surely a points deduction?

[wolfslair]

Not really - everyone’s aware you get checked every year for a rolling three year period, they can’t now say “that’s not fair” when it’s been the case for years.

Doesn’t fit into their victim narrative……

As even when they were dumb enough to keep going breaking the rules, they are still victims….

When are scousers to blame for anything in their own eyes?

 

[Alienwolf]

It looks like the final announcement, after any appeals, could be 24th May, which is after the end of the season. That leaves a bit of room for some late points adjustments to favour those in the relegation scrap.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

If we have not been charged along with them does this mean we are ok?

We were always ok

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

What about the ridiculous amount they wrote off due to COVID.

They actually got away with that particular bit of fiction I think. Not part of the challenge.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

how have Forest been done, i thought it was over 3 years, they've only been here one season?

Also what is going on with the City case? were all teams getting judged today?

As others have said, yes it’s over a three year period ending June 30 2023, with different (lower) allowance made for the time Forest were in the EFL. Don’t forget the EFL also have FFP rules and clubs have been penalised with points deductions there too.

Regards City, that is a complex historical case which is ongoing. The breaches announced today only cover PSR assessments for the three year period ending June 30, 2023. Last year the PL clubs all agreed a new fast track review for PSR reviews, and this is the first year that’s happened. Everton were already punished for a similar breach for the 3 years ending June 30, 2022.

 

[wolfslair]

You have to have all the facts before you make an opinion, something that none of us had, but now you have the facts, we were within the rules, because of our actions during the summer. You should be happy, today, not upset.

We should be happy, but let’s not forget that this was a lot closer to disaster than it ever needed to be!

We turned it around, that is great and I genuinely mean that.

but let’s stop praising Jeff as a genius and master strategist when he put us in such a precarious position that needed such an aggressive sale of players with very minimal spend due some quite large errors in the club staffing in key positions, overall recruitment strategy and structures.

 

[Wignall 3-0]

I think if you look back there were a number of people saying exactly that. Despite having no access to the figures themselves they were arguing there was no pressure to sell and that we could still afford to strengthen.

EYY, You persist. But you take it all out of context regarding the events leading up to to some of us (me included) concluding that it was Fosun and not FFP that had caused the taps to be turned off. July, reports of us seriously after Scott, we bring Doc back on a free, poor maintenance on stadium and surrounds, not even any modest ground or facility improvements. An apparent top tier manager brought in with assurances there was money to spend to develop the squad and challenge for the Europe. Reality in July, negotiating with no money for Scott, unable to shift enough bloated past sell by date squad, bringing in older free transfer players, manager spits his dummy out.
August/September, we got lucky, thanks to Hobbs. So yes FFP was an issue, but Fosun have stopped putting the money in. Books will be balanced in the summer.
Now give it a rest, please.

 

[Oldskooldayz]

Everton are well and truly f****d, not getting away with 2 breaches at the same time, with their current expenditure regarding a new stadium it almost has wolves "80's" vibes. Shame as I've always quite liked them as a group of supporters but continually overspending will eventually catch up with you.

Forest being done within 2 years of promotion will send out a message to most championship clubs doing a Burnley is for the best. Yo-yoing every year so you can get some of the premier pie without ever really going for it.

Can honestly see the premier league becoming an almost closed shop for 17 clubs, could even potentially open up the possibility of reducing it to 18 teams with 2 down 2 up for "competitive" reasons and not at all what the sides in Europe every year want obviously

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Who do you think it was that got us so close to being in the guarno in the first place? I will give you a clue, Jeff Shi. Overpaid massively for Fabio, Guedes, Cutrone and also paid the loan fees and wages for Trincao, Jesus, Vitinha, whilst also agreeing to loan Traore out to Barcelona without a loan fee or obligation to buy.
The buck stops with Jeff Shi.
We have got away with being close, but too close imho and saved by the Neves sale to Saudi, amongst others.
I would not call Jeff Shi anything close to being Clever!
Oh, and I wonder whether, if we did make it in to a European competition whether we would fall foul of UEFA’s more stringent rules, which we did before?

We haven’t ’got away’ with anything….except for Bruno Lage’s appointment being on the route to taking us down.
We have played by the rules and made the team stronger in the process.

And yes there’s the Silva’s Cutrones and Guedes’ but there’s also MGW, Jota, Neves, Nunes in the story. And no doubt the Neto, RAN and Gomes stories too will follow.

We are doing ok and will be a lot more free to invest in the coming seasons.

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

Some semi-valid arguments here.....

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Its actually 66% but whatever they broke the rules again knowing they were already in trouble so should be hit even harder imo idiots

 

[Sussex Wolf]

If we have not been charged along with them does this mean we are ok?

Yep, all clear.

 

[Chisels_n_ommers]

It looks like the final announcement, after any appeals, could be 24th May, which is after the end of the season. That leaves a bit of room for some late points adjustments to favour those in the relegation scrap.

So if Luton need a draw from their last game and play for that, the PL could then turn round and say after the season ends....sorry but we've just given Everton a couple more points so you needed a win in hindsight.

Farcical

 

[Jefe]

Some semi-valid arguments here.....

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These arguments are laughably bad, to be honest. Everton are saying, "the law is an ass, therefore we shouldn't be punished for violating the law". The players probably think many laws of the game are flawed too, because they are always changing or being tweaked (particularly surrounding things like VAR). It doesn't mean they have the right to violate the laws as they exist in any particular moment in time.

Everton complain they are being punished for building a stadium that will bring beauty to the skyline or some such waffle. In the long run, that stadium would give them a financial edge over their rivals with more match day revenue, an advantage that ultimately came from a breach of the financial rules in the first place.

They then top it off by blaming inflation and the general madness of the transfer market, as though those forces haven't affected every other club.

 

[wolfslair]

So selling Gibbs helped to clear us but put Forest in the **** .....lovely jubbly...

If carlsberg did transfers!!!!!

 

[WV10Wolf]

It looks like the final announcement, after any appeals, could be 24th May, which is after the end of the season. That leaves a bit of room for some late points adjustments to favour those in the relegation scrap.

That’s why they need to have a sliding scale of punishments out there in the public domain prior to the season starting. Should Everton finish 5 points above the relegation zone then get deducted 6 points they would cry foul, but if the punishments are already out there when the season starts they’ve nothing to moan about

 

[WolfLing]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1746933947949326417

PL stating Everton and Forest admit they breached.
There's going to be more ****-flinging than that monkey gang war in Bangkok during lockdown.

Just from watching 24 Hours in Police custody, I know to always answer, "No comment".

Never make it easy for them to prove something!!

 

[lets all have a disco]

Everton fans complaining they are being charged twice for the same offence......so you are ok to keep repeating the offences as long as it's the same one .....Gotta love our Liverpool friends aye ya...so technically a mass murderer should only be charged for the first one....

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Its actually 66% but whatever they broke the rules again knowing they were already in trouble so should be hit even harder imo idiots

Exactly, and it’s clear to me that Everton are already regurgitating their lawyers arguments and sympathetic journalists likewise.

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Some semi-valid arguments here.....

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Bigger capacity and sponsorship to balance that. They’ve broken the rules.

 

[Summer_Wolf]

Announced in April will be points 100%

Ridiculous that it takes that long to be announced, so much for this 'fast tracking' system from the PL.

 

[JadeWolf]

Today: Everton have been charged with breaching FFP rules.
Also Today: Everton lining up a bid for Kalvin Phillips.

They just don’t learn do they.

 

[Minimalist]

Some semi-valid arguments here.....

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I don’t think it’s a valid argument.

Yes 2 of the 3 seasons were involved in their previous punishment; but that also means they’ve had another season in which they could have got their books in order, Everton took the decision not to do that, despite knowing where they stood. They could easily have sold a few players and been fine, actually probably just selling Pickford would likely have seen them sorted.
Very much their own fault.

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

I like Everton's argument that these charges take into account periods that were already covered by the last punishment. Isn't that the very definition of a rolling timescale? How can they not do so?

 

[WolfLing]

These arguments are laughably bad, to be honest. Everton are saying, "the law is an ass, therefore we shouldn't be punished for violating the law". The players probably think many laws of the game are flawed too, because they are always changing or being tweaked (particularly surrounding things like VAR). It doesn't mean they have the right to violate the laws as they exist in any particular moment in time.

Everton complain that building a stadium is the reason they are being punished. In the long run, that stadium would give them a financial edge over their rivals with more match day revenue, an advantage that ultimately came from a breach of the financial rules in the first place.

They then top it off by blaming inflation and the general madness of the transfer market, as though those forces haven't affected every other club.

Those arguments are the ones that aren't valid, I'd agree.

The bit about already being punished for 75% of the period covered, in addition to the rules being changed potentially leading to them being punished again is what I was referring to as semi-valid.

They're the only club to have been punished under the old accounting periods, so they might have a more valid argument against their further punishment than Forest do against being punished for the first time.

So much to come out in the wash for this. Thankfully, we can just sit back, watch, and enjoy our popcorn.

 

[Lawndog]

Not really - everyone’s aware you get checked every year for a rolling three year period, they can’t now say “that’s not fair” when it’s been the case for years.

......and inflation and spiralling transfer fees affect all clubs!......

 

[Sussex Wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1746933947949326417

PL stating Everton and Forest admit they breached.
There's going to be more ****-flinging than that monkey gang war in Bangkok during lockdown.

If you read the Everton statement, it’s clear they knew they had breached this cap when they were charged for the period ending June 2022. So they’ve known for weeks they would be referred for the period ending June 2023. Similarly Forest obviously knew since they hired a barrister who specialises in such cases back in December.

 

[AndyY]

If we have not been charged along with them does this mean we are ok?

Wonder how close we were?

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Those arguments are the ones that aren't valid, I'd agree.

The bit about already being punished for 75% of the period covered, in addition to the rules being changed potentially leading to them being punished again is what I was referring to as semi-valid.

They're the only club to have been punished under the old accounting periods, so they might have a more valid argument against their further punishment than Forest do against being punished for the first time.

So much to come out in the wash for this. Thankfully, we can just sit back, watch, and enjoy our popcorn.

I’ve just poured myself a beer and got my crisps. SSN on the tv. Angry Everton fans on X. What’s not to like?

 

[AndyY]

You have to have all the facts before you make an opinion, something that none of us had, but now you have the facts, we were within the rules, because of our actions during the summer. You should be happy, today, not upset.

I am not upset, I am relieved but I was responding to the post which said that “Shi was clever”.

 

[WV10Wolf]

Everton fans complaining they are being charged twice for the same offence......so you are ok to keep repeating the offences as long as it's the same one .....Gotta love our Liverpool friends aye ya...so technically a mass murderer should only be charged for the first one....

It’s like ram raiding Dixon’s on a Monday, being charged on Tuesday, then ram raiding Dixon’s again on a Wednesday and complaining about being charged again.

 

[wolfslair]

I’ve just poured myself a beer and got my crisps. SSN on the tv. Angry Everton fans on X. What’s not to like?

It is the new arsenal fan tv and chill!!!!!

 

[WV10Wolf]

I’ve just poured myself a beer and got my crisps. SSN on the tv. Angry Everton fans on X. What’s not to like?

Should tell them to calm down

 

[worc_wolf]

So is it point deduction?

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

Wonder how close we were?

No blood on the wing mirror, don't look back.

 

[StaffordWolf]

They actually got away with that particular bit of fiction I think. Not part of the challenge.

Exactly, they deserve all they get. Not bothered about what bull**** they come up with, they knew the rules.

They should have gone down last season so they should be counting themselves lucky for that extra year of pl money.

 

[North West Wanderer]

Everton fans complaining they are being charged twice for the same offence......so you are ok to keep repeating the offences as long as it's the same one .....Gotta love our Liverpool friends aye ya...so technically a mass murderer should only be charged for the first one....

they’re saying it’s in the same accounting year which i think is a fair shout. the whole process is a mess.

 

[AndyY]

I don’t think it’s a valid argument.

Yes 2 of the 3 seasons were involved in their previous punishment; but that also means they’ve had another season in which they could have got their books in order, Everton took the decision not to do that, despite knowing where they stood. They could easily have sold a few players and been fine, actually probably just selling Pickford would likely have seen them sorted.
Very much their own fault.

I don’t think they understand the concept of a “rolling 3 year period”!

 

[Jefe]

Those arguments are the ones that aren't valid, I'd agree.

The bit about already being punished for 75% of the period covered, in addition to the rules being changed potentially leading to them being punished again is what I was referring to as semi-valid.

They're the only club to have been punished under the old accounting periods, so they might have a more valid argument against their further punishment than Forest do against being punished for the first time.

So much to come out in the wash for this. Thankfully, we can just sit back, watch, and enjoy our popcorn.

Yes. If it's true they have already been punished for the majority of the period, one would imagine it's a simple case of sorting out the punishment for the remainder.
It may be in the end they only get a 3 point penalty on top.

 

[Ponty]

Everton spaffed a load of mo ey on players this summer - probably desperate to strengthen knowing a point deduction was incoming. The equivalent of sending your keeper up for a corner, not in the dying seconds but at the end of the first half. I bet they’re ****ing themselves laughing in Leicester who complied and got relegated whilst Everton stayed up.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Should tell them to calm down

One started with a couple of posts full of abusive language before trying to block me, when I commented Everton were guilty - nothing more. Unfortunately for the idiot, before he blocked me, I reported his account for foul and abusive language. **** the idiot.