Chelsea

[Halesowen wwfc]

According to Sky News Chelsea bank account has been temporarily suspended by Barclays whilst it assesses the government licence.

Not a surprise. The banks are unable to deal with anything sanctioned. They will need govt authorisation to allow them to trade.

 

[Shergar]

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Wahaay! A funny one at last!

 

[VancouverWolf]

Ha ha, I remember chanting "Osgood Nogood, Osgood Nogood" back in the day.
I really appreciate some of the old mix geezers triggering these old memories.

This might put a smile on your face as I know how you and others feel about Leeds.
David Webb heading the 1970 FA Cup Replay winner against Leeds. For our younger readers….there were no penalty shoot outs, games had to be replayed.

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

All the talk about the big 6 and the genuine question from me to those who remember the pre-PL years - was Chelsea ever considered one of the top clubs in the country? 1970s, 1980s?

I can understand Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and to some degree Spurs and City but Chelsea? Ken Bates bought them in early 1980s and by the time of Abramovich's arrival, they already had been a top 6 side, with some good players around the team. It would be fair play to them if they continued that organic growth but they preferred to make the next step using the dirty Russian money. Hence, I have no sympathy to them whatsoever. They can even go bust as far as I'm concerned.

For a lot of the 70s and 80s they bounced between the first and second division. My first game was the 2nd division title decider in 1977. They were not seen as a force at all, probably better known for their fans and the trouble they caused. Ken Bate’s famously suggesting putting electric fencing up for terraces.

 

[Norman Bell]

Yeah but, the fans haven't been moaning about it whilst the trophies have rolled in. Also singing Abramovich name for the last 2 matches.
I'm sure they'll wriggle out of it anyhow so enjoy seeing them squirm whilst you can.

I remember classless Chelsea fans thinking it funny to wave £20 and £50 notes at away fans and behave like a bunch of Burberry wearing, tattooed chavs who struck lucky on the Euromillions shoving their wealth in other teams faces. So for the last day or so I have found myself singing the Bob Dylan classic " Like a Rolling Stone " ( join in @Rhoswolf )


Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime didn't you ?
People said " Beware doll, you're bound to fall
You thought they were kidding you
You used to laugh about, everyone that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel, how does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

 

[Rhoswolf]

I remember classless Chelsea fans thinking it funny to wave £20 and £50 notes at away fans and behave like a bunch of Burberry wearing, tattooed chavs who struck lucky on the Euromillions shoving their wealth in other teams faces. So for the last day or so I have found myself singing the Bob Dylan classic " Like a Rolling Stone " ( join in @Rhoswolf )


Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime didn't you ?
People said " Before doll, you're bound to fall
You thought they were kidding you
You used to laugh about, everyone that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel, how does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

As a Wolves/Chelsea fan in the early70's, have to like a bit of Dylan.

 

[WWFC4EVA]

I remember classless Chelsea fans thinking it funny to wave £20 and £50 notes at away fans and behave like a bunch of Burberry wearing, tattooed chavs who struck lucky on the Euromillions shoving their wealth in other teams faces. So for the last day or so I have found myself singing the Bob Dylan classic " Like a Rolling Stone " ( join in @Rhoswolf )


Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime didn't you ?
People said " Before doll, you're bound to fall
You thought they were kidding you
You used to laugh about, everyone that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel, how does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

Love a bit of Dylan!!!

 

[Big Saft Kid]

They won their one and only league title in pre-PL times in 54-5, pipping us to the title when they beat us 1-0 in a title decider at Stamford Bridge before a crowd of over 70,000. But they were very up and down. I can remember us beating them 8-1, 6-1 and 5-1 in the 50s/ early 60s but also them beating us 6-2 in a game in which an 18 year-old Jimmy Greaves scored 5! He was marked that day by some bloke called Billy Wright.

 

[whitnash wolf ex.dewsbury]

They won their one and only league title in pre-PL times in 54-5, pipping us to the title when they beat us 1-0 in a title decider at Stamford Bridge before a crowd of over 70,000. But they were very up and down. I can remember us beating them 8-1, 6-1 and 5-1 in the 50s/ early 60s but also them beating us 6-2 in a game in which an 18 year-old Jimmy Greaves scored 5! He was marked that day by some bloke called Billy Wright.

they have had some big crowds over the years and are one of only 9 clubs to have topped
the average home attendance tables
you will of course remember the famous youth cup match when Ted showed Jimmy how it was done!

 

[top fox wolf]

they have had some big crowds over the years and are one of only 9 clubs to have topped
the average home attendance tables
you will of course remember the famous youth cup match when Ted showed Jimmy how it was done!

Only one Ted farmer. X

 

[Big Saft Kid]

they have had some big crowds over the years and are one of only 9 clubs to have topped
the average home attendance tables
you will of course remember the famous youth cup match when Ted showed Jimmy how it was done!

Yes indeed. I regret I didn't see that legendary come back. 7-6 aggregate win after we lost the first leg 1-5!! One of the greatest come backs ever.

 

[Golden Oldie]

They won their one and only league title in pre-PL times in 54-5, pipping us to the title when they beat us 1-0 in a title decider at Stamford Bridge before a crowd of over 70,000. But they were very up and down. I can remember us beating them 8-1, 6-1 and 5-1 in the 50s/ early 60s but also them beating us 6-2 in a game in which an 18 year-old Jimmy Greaves scored 5! He was marked that day by some bloke called Billy Wright.

Unfortunately, I recall that Greaves game all too well. I don't think Billy was quite the same player after it.

 

[Golden Oldie]

Nothing at all, I was jesting a bit.
Although when I was an apprentice 50 years one of the old guys in the toolroom ate beetroot sandwiches every day, he was an institution.

The only thing wrong with beetroot is it's ability to stain clothing if you can't deal with it soon after it's landed on them.

 

[lostwolf]

I remember classless Chelsea fans thinking it funny to wave £20 and £50 notes at away fans and behave like a bunch of Burberry wearing, tattooed chavs who struck lucky on the Euromillions shoving their wealth in other teams faces. So for the last day or so I have found myself singing the Bob Dylan classic " Like a Rolling Stone " ( join in @Rhoswolf )


Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime didn't you ?
People said " Beware doll, you're bound to fall
You thought they were kidding you
You used to laugh about, everyone that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel, how does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

At the Port Vale friendly after our benevolent CCP-linked investment firm owners bought us we were singing 'we're ****ing rich'.

I'm not anti-us, and I hate Chelsea, but they were never tin pot, were always very well supported, and were on the up before Roman's money. But **** em anyway.

 

[wwbug]

At the Port Vale friendly after our benevolent CCP-linked investment firm owners bought us we were singing 'we're ****ing rich'.

I'm not anti-us, and I hate Chelsea, but they were never tin pot, were always very well supported, and were on the up before Roman's money. But **** em anyway.

I read somewhere that Ambramovich' purchase stopped them defaulting on a £75 million loan , that would have meant financial chaos. Thats not "on the up"

 

[lostwolf]

I read somewhere that Ambramovich stopped them defaulting on a £75 million and going bankrupt . Thats not "on the up"

Not financially, agreed, but they'd been top 6 for 6 seasons. That's on the up.

 

[wwbug]

Not financially, agreed, but they'd been top 6 for 6 seasons. That's on the up.

Ok but at the price of a bankruptcy, that would have sent them down. Leeds could have claimed they bought Champions League status before their demise for 20 years.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Not financially, agreed, but they'd been top 6 for 6 seasons. That's on the up.

Didn’t Chelsea finish 4th and beat Liverpool which apparently played a huge part in Roman buying the club

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

£28m a month wage bill. Just shows the level of unfair advantage we face to break into the top 6!

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

£28m a month wage bill. Just shows the level of unfair advantage we face to break into the top 6!

It shows how strong the glass ceiling is when teams with owners that have the wealth of Wolves and Villa remain huge underdogs to ever become regular top 6 members. It now requires ludicrously wealthy owners AND no desire to see any ROI

 

[North West Wanderer]

Not a surprise. The banks are unable to deal with anything sanctioned. They will need govt authorisation to allow them to trade.

Yep. Sanctions are a minefield in our world, and there will be nothing allowed to happen without express consent. Huge blow to Chelsea.

 

[Wolf316]

Yep. Sanctions are a minefield in our world, and there will be nothing allowed to happen without express consent. Huge blow to Chelsea.

What are the chances of a sale going through and what happens to the money if it does?

 

[Halesowen wwfc]

What are the chances of a sale going through and what happens to the money if it does?

It will either go through as proceeds of crime and go to the govt, or, a sundry account which has been established to go directly to charity. The govt will clearly allow the license to allow the sale otherwise it would innevitably go into administration which would be more of a headache for the govt. They wont want hundreds of jobs, and an institution going under based on something they have actioned. The interesting part will be who decides what bid is acceptable. Valuing a football club must be far more challenging than valuing a normal business. Most of them dont make a profit for a start, and its all about opportunity, revenues, potential, brand and marketing pull. The 3 billion roman wanted could well be as little as 1 billion now with sponsors walking away.

 

[Wolf316]

It will either go through as proceeds of crime and go to the govt, or, a sundry account which has been established to go directly to charity. The govt will clearly allow the license to allow the sale otherwise it would innevitably go into administration which would be more of a headache for the govt. They wont want hundreds of jobs, and an institution going under based on something they have actioned. The interesting part will be who decides what bid is acceptable. Valuing a football club must be far more challenging than valuing a normal business. Most of them dont make a profit for a start, and its all about opportunity, revenues, potential, brand and marketing pull. The 3 billion roman wanted could well be as little as 1 billion now with sponsors walking away.

Thanks for that mate makes interesting reading.

 

[Ponty]

Sale would surely go to sealed bids I’d presume. With a £28m a month wage bill the Government want them to survive as that’s about £10m in income tax.

 

[Jawwfc]

It shows how strong the glass ceiling is when teams with owners that have the wealth of Wolves and Villa remain huge underdogs to ever become regular top 6 members. It now requires ludicrously wealthy owners AND no desire to see any ROI

Not even ridiculous wealth helps now FFP has put play to that, we have had no newcomers to the established champions league teams since Man City across Europe.

 

[clivewolves]

Inside Saudi Media's Chelsea takeover bid: Renew Rudiger's contract and rebuild Stamford Bridge | Goal.com

Saudi Media's bid to buy Chelsea includes plans to redevelop Stamford Bridge and renew the contracts of key players such as Antonio Rudiger and Cesar Azpilicueta

www.goal.com

 

[North West Wanderer]

What are the chances of a sale going through and what happens to the money if it does?

It will either go through as proceeds of crime and go to the govt, or, a sundry account which has been established to go directly to charity. The govt will clearly allow the license to allow the sale otherwise it would innevitably go into administration which would be more of a headache for the govt. They wont want hundreds of jobs, and an institution going under based on something they have actioned. The interesting part will be who decides what bid is acceptable. Valuing a football club must be far more challenging than valuing a normal business. Most of them dont make a profit for a start, and its all about opportunity, revenues, potential, brand and marketing pull. The 3 billion roman wanted could well be as little as 1 billion now with sponsors walking away.

its a really interesting one! I haven’t looked how the club is structured right now, but I think this is a great answer.

I imagine there’s lots of layers to such a company, so might be difficult to block everything but in essence of his accounts are frozen that is that!

When I was a relationship manager and you had to deal with sanctions, it was very formal and very specific. I can’t see anything but the above in all honesty.

 

[Manic88]

It shows how strong the glass ceiling is when teams with owners that have the wealth of Wolves and Villa remain huge underdogs to ever become regular top 6 members. It now requires ludicrously wealthy owners AND no desire to see any ROI

And breaking FFP

 

[oldgolded]

Reluctant to take the **** out of my Chelsea supporting mates as we could be in a similar position when China invade Taiwan.

 

[Deleted member (smith)]

Reluctant to take the **** out of my Chelsea supporting mates as we could be in a similar position when China invade Taiwan.

Hopefully that’s not going to happen
- Taiwan is no threat to China
-China is far more commercial than Russia and would not want a trade embargo
-China May be a ruthless autocracy but even they may be disgusted at the massacre of civilians, wanton destruction of cities all for vainglorious objectives.
In a nutshell they are more calculating smart and less emotional than Putin …they may even broker a peace for big brownie points.

 

[Wolf316]

Hopefully that’s not going to happen
- Taiwan is no threat to China
-China is far more commercial than Russia and would not want a trade embargo
-China May be a ruthless autocracy but even they may be disgusted at the massacre of civilians, wanton destruction of cities all for vainglorious objectives.
In a nutshell they are more calculating smart and less emotional than Putin …they may even broker a peace for big brownie points.

I seriously doubt that.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Reluctant to take the **** out of my Chelsea supporting mates as we could be in a similar position when China invade Taiwan.

China won’t touch Taiwan. America have said they will be involved with that one

 

[Jawwfc]

China won’t touch Taiwan. America have said they will be involved with that one

Taiwan is a lot more difficult to invade logistically for China than Ukraine is to Russia, China arent as strong as russia and Taiwan is an island nation with a strong military.

China have not become a dominant force by making rash decisions.

 

[lets all have a disco]

The world could hardly impose sanctions on china like Russia....we would struggle for everything.....it's all 'made in china' these days.

 

[Deleted member (smith)]

I seriously doubt that.

Probably but being on live tv makes a huge difference to attitudes and China does not want to become a pariah.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

The world could hardly impose sanctions on china like Russia....we would struggle for everything.....it's all 'made in china' these days.

including our football club

 

[VancouverWolf]

Taiwan is a lot more difficult to invade logistically for China than Ukraine is to Russia, China arent as strong as russia and Taiwan is an island nation with a strong military.

China have not become a dominant force by making rash decisions.

The Chinese military and navy are waaaaaazy more advanced than Russia. Russia is a mediocre power, at best.
Plus, China is too crucial for world trade that sanctions would be very difficult without seriously damaging ourselves. Sanctions wise, it might be close to a draw.

 

[Ernie the Wolf]

It will either go through as proceeds of crime and go to the govt, or, a sundry account which has been established to go directly to charity. The govt will clearly allow the license to allow the sale otherwise it would innevitably go into administration which would be more of a headache for the govt. They wont want hundreds of jobs, and an institution going under based on something they have actioned. The interesting part will be who decides what bid is acceptable. Valuing a football club must be far more challenging than valuing a normal business. Most of them dont make a profit for a start, and its all about opportunity, revenues, potential, brand and marketing pull. The 3 billion roman wanted could well be as little as 1 billion now with sponsors walking away.

Put the proceeds towards rebuilding Ukraine when the Russians lose

 

[Mugwump]

China needs the Western countries to make money so its a bit of a vicious circle with sanctions against them as well. Both need the other.