BBC and the Far Right

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I stand by my comment. I met many many Germans too ashamed to fly their countries flag with pride for fear of being seen as nationalist. Even having the words "Deutschland" on a shirt was a step too far for many

As for your second comment: who are you to say what is the correct way for other people to vote? You are allowed your opinion for sure but you are but one voice among billions and everyone is entitled to vote as they see correct, not as you see as being correct

Well clearly plenty of Germans were happy to fly their flag even in London 21 years after the war. I can't account for your personal experiences, I had enough of that from Ulf who apparently had never met anyone who routinely called a Conservative a Tory - how would I know?

I expressed an opinion on the OT thread - whatever next! One of the greatest successes of the left in the UK was to oppose the rise of fascism here in the 30's. Blaming governments for allowing too much immigration is one thing, blaming the immigrants is a whole different game.

 

[Dr Wolfenstein]

How many decades?
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I was at Villa Park in 1966 & remember their (West German) fans clearly hammering on the gates before their match v Spain, chanting they were 'weltmeister'. No reticence with flags whatsoever.
I will say that I don't recall them being particularly threatening (not like bouncing up & down on the rickety wooden terracing of the old North Bank alongside Man U hooligans)-they were in good spirits. I was doing 'O' level German at the time & wanted them to beat Spain anyway. They had some bloody good players that World Cup.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

I think they probably are controlled, most western political parties are the same group of people, they just wear a different mask. I don't know very much about German politics but just look at a similar party in the UK, UKIP may present itself as being different from the other main parties but they are still controlled by the same people who control the Tories, Zionists. Why would they have a 'UKIP friends of Israel' organisation for example if they weren't controlled by them? It'd just be weird.

That's right and funnily enough AfD and their pals Pegida are both staunchly pro Israel and anti-islam.

Yet certain (((people))) cry that AfD and Pegida are anti-semitic and that jews in Europa should be concerned for their safety. "Its 1933 all over again!" they all cry. "we are under attack!".

https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-right-afd-loves-the-jewish-state/

Hmmm how does that work? Pro Israel yet anti-semitic at same time? Sorry but that simply does not add up.

Nae bother its just the Usual sneaky zionist way of playing groups off against each other when it suits their agenda thus keeping everyone divided...while the zionists march on!

Zionist are behind the AfD I am sure and are using the AfD to help push their own agenda and thus strengthen their position. On the one hand AfD being anti Islam suits Zionists and on the other hand manipulating the rise of the AfD and saying it shows that jews are in danger and that anti semitism is on the march is also very convenient for (((some))).

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

I expressed an opinion on the OT thread - whatever next! One of the greatest successes of the left in the UK was to oppose the rise of fascism here in the 30's. Blaming governments for allowing too much immigration is one thing, blaming the immigrants is a whole different game.

I think you left the "illegal" off immigrants because its these illegal ones which cause the most ire.

You know the ones, they live in Africa and want to go live in the west so that can have that hot blond girlfriend, the fast car and all the bling, So they pay a money smuggler to get them onto a boat which will be rescued by the Italian navy once it is 50km off Libya.

Then once they get to Europe they find there is no hot blond girlfriend waiting for them, no fancy car and most definitely no bling. Aye there's no fairy tale ending sadly. So now what will the immigrants do?

You can't blame the government that some young guy sets out from africa to illegally enter Europe thinking he is going to hit the jackpot. sorry but thats the immigrants responsibility, no-one else's.


While I have great sympathy for genuine refugee's fleeing war, opportunist economic migrants don't garner the same response. They took a gamble now they must face the consequences

If a poor homeless guy in the UK decides he wants a better lifestyle so he breaks into a rich persons empty mansion he's probably going to be arrested because thats how the world is.

We all want the high life but its insane to think we can all go around demanding we be given it and then get mad when its not handed to us on a plate.

 

[derbyrameater]

That's right and funnily enough AfD and their pals Pegida are both staunchly pro Israel and anti-islam.

Yet certain (((people))) cry that AfD and Pegida are anti-semitic and that jews in Europa should be concerned for their safety. "Its 1933 all over again!" they all cry. "we are under attack!".

https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-right-afd-loves-the-jewish-state/

Hmmm how does that work? Pro Israel yet anti-semitic at same time? Sorry but that simply does not add up.

Nae bother its just the Usual sneaky zionist way of playing groups off against each other when it suits their agenda thus keeping everyone divided...while the zionists march on!

Zionist are behind the AfD I am sure and are using the AfD to help push their own agenda and thus strengthen their position. On the one hand AfD being anti Islam suits Zionists and on the other hand manipulating the rise of the AfD and saying it shows that jews are in danger and that anti semitism is on the march is also very convenient for (((some))).

The BNP supports Zionist Israel!! Is Griffin a tool of the Zionists or is it Zionism which the right wing support?

 

[Pengwern]

I think you left the "illegal" off immigrants because its these illegal ones which cause the most ire.

You know the ones, they live in Africa and want to go live in the west so that can have that hot blond girlfriend, the fast car and all the bling, So they pay a money smuggler to get them onto a boat which will be rescued by the Italian navy once it is 50km off Libya.

Then once they get to Europe they find there is no hot blond girlfriend waiting for them, no fancy car and most definitely no bling. Aye there's no fairy tale ending sadly. So now what will the immigrants do?

You can't blame the government that some young guy sets out from africa to illegally enter Europe thinking he is going to hit the jackpot. sorry but thats the immigrants responsibility, no-one else's.


While I have great sympathy for genuine refugee's fleeing war, opportunist economic migrants don't garner the same response. They took a gamble now they must face the consequences

If a poor homeless guy in the UK decides he wants a better lifestyle so he breaks into a rich persons empty mansion he's probably going to be arrested because thats how the world is.

We all want the high life but its insane to think we can all go around demanding we be given it and then get mad when its not handed to us on a plate.

This is the most odious and error-rich posting I've seen on MM OT for some years. Your argument that economic refugees are motivated by sex is a flight of bizarre fancy from a dark, prejudiced mind. Sex-drive does not drive people to the high risks of dying in a non-seaworthy boat in the Mediterranean, except in the minds of deluded right wing and xenophobic bigots.

The explanation for economic migration is economic: exploitation of Africa over centuries, the systematic imposition of structural adjustment by the western world and compliance with this by African dictators, the frequency of famines, the wars caused indirectly by the west's quest for cheap minerals, the de-forestation of Monsanto and co in their quest for agri-business profits, the climate change driven by an industrialisation from other continents; this has all combined to create economic migration. There people driven to crime in all societies and cultures, but the poorer they are the more likely they are to pursue material crime, so the same factors underlying poverty are in play in this too, so get off your moralistic backside and show more than your pretence of human empathy towards people in dire need and not for their own fault!

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

This is the most odious and error-rich posting I've seen on MM OT for some years. Your argument that economic refugees are motivated by sex is a flight of bizarre fancy from a dark, prejudiced mind. Sex-drive does not drive people to the high risks of dying in a non-seaworthy boat in the Mediterranean, except in the minds of deluded right wing and xenophobic bigots.

Where did I say economic migrants were motived purely by sex

yer off your rocker matey

but proves my point you are viewing things through your highly idealistic red and black tinted glasses.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

The explanation for economic migration is economic: exploitation of Africa over centuries, the systematic imposition of structural adjustment by the western world and compliance with this by African dictators, the frequency of famines, the wars caused indirectly by the west's quest for cheap minerals, the de-forestation of Monsanto and co in their quest for agri-business profits, the climate change driven by an industrialisation from other continents; this has all combined to create economic migration. There people driven to crime in all societies and cultures, but the poorer they are the more likely they are to pursue material crime, so the same factors underlying poverty are in play in this too, so get off your moralistic backside and show more than your pretence of human empathy towards people in dire need and not for their own fault!

So whats your solution: shift everyone to Europe? How's that going to play out?

Last time I Iooked at Africa they were doing a pretty good job of oppressing each other.

Somalia for example. Total mess, yet they have no-one to blame but their own tribalism

The west also conquered New Zealand yet I don't see NZ people doing what goes on in Africa, so how do you explain that?

 

[derbyrameater]

So whats your solution: shift everyone to Europe? How's that going to play out?

Last time I Iooked at Africa they were doing a pretty good job of oppressing each other.

Somalia for example. Total mess, yet they have no-one to blame but their own tribalism

The west also conquered New Zealand yet I don't see NZ people doing what goes on in Africa, so how do you explain that?

You do realise Africa isn't a country?

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

You do realise Africa isn't a country?

Oh isn't it?

I thought it was a city

 

[derbyrameater]

Oh isn't it?

I thought it was a city

Because you were comparing NZ (a country ) to a continent which is many countries perhaps you can provide a list of those African countries with conflict going on, I bet most of them have resources.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

Because you were comparing NZ (a country ) to a continent which is many countries perhaps you can provide a list of those African countries with conflict going on, I bet most of them have resources.

What resources does somalia have that are worth destroying a country over?

For me this isn't about race its about culture. Different cultures do things differently. shock horror.

Maori had been living in grass huts for a long time, living off the land. basic survival stuff and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact in many ways such a simple life has its merits. But anyhow that is how the Maori lived, uninterrupted, for a very long time but the Maori were OK with that, that was their culture.

Then the British and French arrived in NZ and within months they were constructing towns, building infrastructure, planting botanical gardens, setting up yachting clubs and all manner of things. Hospitals, ports, mines, planting forests and crops. You name it: it was all going on, because thats British and French culture manifesting itself: exploring, expanding, experimenting developing, revolutionising things.

People are not the same, cultures are not the same. There are vast differences and this is neither good nor bad...it just is.

The left want everyone to be the same, its simply impossible. Personally I find it sad so many interesting cultures around the world are so keen to take on western trappings at the expense of their own old ways.

 

[Pengwern]

Where did I say economic migrants were motived purely by sex

yer off your rocker matey

but proves my point you are viewing things through your highly idealistic red and black tinted glasses.

Your stress was on those you said migrate for sex with only a sideways remark about other refugees. That is so disproportionate it shows prejudice not analysis. It's not what you didn't say that matters, no matter how you hide behind it, but what you said that made it odious.

 

[derbyrameater]

What resources does somalia have that are worth destroying a country over?

For me this isn't about race its about culture. Different cultures do things differently. shock horror.

Maori had been living in grass huts for a long time, living off the land. basic survival stuff and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact in many ways such a simple life has its merits. But anyhow that is how the Maori lived, uninterrupted, for a very long time but the Maori were OK with that, that was their culture.

Then the British and French arrived in NZ and within months they were constructing towns, building infrastructure, planting botanical gardens, setting up yachting clubs and all manner of things. Hospitals, ports, mines, planting forests and crops. You name it: it was all going on, because thats British and French culture manifesting itself: exploring, expanding, experimenting developing, revolutionising things.

People are not the same, cultures are not the same. There are vast differences and this is neither good nor bad...it just is.

The left want everyone to be the same, its simply impossible. Personally I find it sad so many interesting cultures around the world are so keen to take on western trappings at the expense of their own old ways.

Ta, so we have Somalia (Uranium and possibly oil and gas) That leaves between 54 other African countries.

 

[derbyrameater]

I await the day when the lefty BBC say May made a Capitalist speech, whereas they love saying when Corbyn and other like minded people make a speech it's a "Socialist speech".

Good old impartial BBC.

 

[kaohsiungwolf]

Is that the loophole which enables them to be a tax haven?

It's quasi independence, any state can be a tax haven if they so wish. The French Caribbean islands are a small hint as to the fact that the French Empire is very much alive and well across the world.

 

[kaohsiungwolf]

Yes but you just see everything through your red and black tinted glasses

maybe the AfD are gaining popularity because people don't like what merkel is doing to Germany and Afd offers an appealing alternative? Personally I think it is as simple as that, nothing to do with any media agenda or anything. More to do with merkel doing her best to obliterate Germany's cultural identity by flooding the nation with people from the middle east and africa (open borders: socialist's wet dream!).

The media have spent the last year or so relentlessly bashing the AfD rather than building them up, so I fail to see your logic.

I like how Douglas Murray put it re. anyone who seriously thinks that the next generation of liberally minded, non-bigoted Germans (as an answer to their ageing population 'problem') should come from Eritrea, Afghanistan or Somalia needs their head checking.

Other countries are solving ageing population without mass immigration perfectly well, it's called pro-natalism, fund your own young population to be able to afford their own children, which most young people want. It's not rocket science. But opening borders requires less thought and planning so of course that's what we'll do.

 

[waggys left foot]

With Labour party membership heading for 600000,possibly the largest party in western europe ,news tonight that Tory membership has fallen to around 100000.


http://www.tribunemagazine.org/2017/09/tory-membership-slump-puts-party-in-crisis/

No shortage of money of course and no shortage of using social media.Can Labour make its membership more active and is the tory party heading for oblivion.?

 

[derbyrameater]

A Chiles did his bit to get nearer a gong this morning on radio 5, he was interviewing the bloke who attended the Public meeting and tried to get into a debate with Rees Mogg, Mogg called out him out thinking he would be another pleb who can't string a sentence together and could be pulled apart, did he get it wrong.

At one point the pleb said he was "despicable" Chiles as quick as lightening turned into 'you called him' "Tory Scum" but the bloke held his ground and pulled Chiles up (no apology). the knighthood is on its way Sir Chiles.

Marvellous is the lefty BBC

Of course Chiles forgot to mention the disabled getting kicked out of a public meeting one being thrown down the stairs allegedly.