Mr Sizzle
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Ignoring who said it, hard to argue against that !
Ignoring who said it, hard to argue against that !
Agree, even if you think football needs a regulator, anyone involved in the current government should be nowhere near it.Ignoring who said it, hard to argue against that !
We do this in mental health services. So easy to just use it as a tokenistic rubber-stamping exercise. To do it right you need proper 'co-production' and a levelling out of power, which in football terms would only be achieved via the 50+1 rule or simething similar... which probably cannot happen now in the PL! The horse bolted years ago and is strutting around fat as ****.Sorry, forgive the cynic in me, but it's just waffle.
Old rules
'we're moving to i54'
New rules
'are you fans happy if we move to i54?'
'NO'
'Oh well, we're going anyway'
Or ceiling would be higher though because we would have an amount closer to those above (as well as below)A more equitable share of media money means a lot less for wolves. Be careful what you wish for
Locally maybe but not in europeOr ceiling would be higher though because we would have an amount closer to those above (as well as below)
well I'll be content to win the league again before worrying about the champions leagueLocally maybe but not in europe
All it will do is bring teams like albion closer to us. The sponsorship, stadium receipts will stay with bigger clubs. It wont be that level. This is not good for wolveswell I'll be content to win the league again before worrying about the champions league
Maybe it will mean we can invest more rather than be restricted by FFP or in fear of the relegation cliff edge. We have very wealthy owners who want to be the best but have been held back by fixing that is FFP.All it will do is bring teams like albion closer to us. The sponsorship, stadium receipts will stay with bigger clubs. It wont be that level. This is not good for wolves
I work in financial services where the regulators are throttling the life out of the industry. Just like VAR this will be regretted
No chance. It will get stricter. It will just mean less money and less ability to compete with overseas clubs for players. The regulator will have no choice but to de risk football. So more restrictionsMaybe it will mean we can invest more rather than be restricted by FFP or in fear of the relegation cliff edge. We have very wealthy owners who want to be the best but have been held back by fixing that is FFP.
It will result in less risk, less money and the premier league will become less dominant versus overseas leagues. Regulators have nothing to gain from risks. This will make VAR look like a brilliant idea in comparisonDifferent sectors have very different types of regulation. Financial services has some of the strictest as a result of the financial crash and the requirement to comply with similar moves in the US and Europe. There are plenty of other industries / sectors which have much lighter touch regulation, where the “steel fist” remains hidden unless the industry participants fail to operate consistently with the required principles.
I would expect the football regulator to start out as such a soft touch type, and would give the football clubs and authorities time to comply with the stated principles. The question is will football really comply, and if they don’t, will the regulator have the guts to use their powers to force them.
Agreed and that all assumes that FIFA don't act against England.It will result in less risk, less money and the premier league will become less dominant versus overseas leagues. Regulators have nothing to gain from risks. This will make VAR look like a brilliant idea in comparison
It will result in less risk, less money and the premier league will become less dominant versus overseas leagues. Regulators have nothing to gain from risks. This will make VAR look like a brilliant idea in comparison
He’s not wrong to be fair.
I wish i could believe this fantasy but sadly its just that. A fantasy. Regulation is throttling the life out of us. It will be like VAR . Intended to help but creating more problems. Just wait and seeThat’s entirely down to the football clubs, and how they react to this.
Regulation doesn’t have to be onerous or a barrier to managed risk taking. You referenced financial services, and that’s a great example. It was for decades under light touch regulation. What happened? The industry was very successful, but it was also characterised by greed and an attitude that unreasonable risks could be taken because the tax payer would step in to bail out the big firms. Cycles of boom and crash which made some very rich, but damaged the real economy and required taxpayers to step in. So it got a very different kind of regulation after the last crash. I’m not a fan of it either, but it was brought on itself.
Football is likely to get a chance to operate under light touch regulation. If it responds constructively and in line with the principles, then it can continue to prosper. If it tries to ignore the principles or challenge regulation like financial services did, then it will likely get a much more hands on approach, and that will not be good for the game.
I wish i could believe this fantasy but sadly its just that. A fantasy. Regulation is throttling the life out of us. It will be like VAR . Intended to help but creating more problems. Just wait and see
We have to agree to disagree. I also have lots of experience and see it entirely differently. One of the reasons the uk will shrink financial services post brexit is regulation. Vis basel 3.1. It also increases financial exclusionby protecting you and I from taking risk. We will be the only regulated football league so the outcome is likely to be similar. Its a sport for gods sake. We have lost the plot. As i said before. Give it time and, just like VAR, people will hate it. Pandering to a vocal minority seeking no risk will create less risk and less success. The europeans must not be able to believe their luckIt’s not a fantasy. I’ve interacted with multiple regulators, FSA and their European counterparts included, data protection, various energy ones, U.K. and European competition authorities, including meeting them when new rules were being drafted and rolled out.
Post financial crash, I had my team implement a massive data reporting programme to meet new compliance requirements for our trading activities, so I know how onerous they are. All that came in entirely because a minority of greedy people thought they were above the law and their management were happy to turn a blind eye because of the results they obtained for their firms. The issues were not in our industry, but impacted ours, because the rules and reporting requirements affected trading in all its forms.
In another part of our business, we dealt with a different regulator. Same government, same industry, very different experience. Light touch regulation which has persisted for decades because the businesses operating in it were sensible enough to implement voluntary reporting procedures and do deals consistent with a code of practice drawn up by the industry and approved and policed by the regulator. Our trading business used to have a similar experience until the post crash crackdown on trading.
That’s why I say what I do. This government will not choose to jump straight in with heavy handed regulation of football. It’s simply not its style and not in its interests. But if football chooses to try and avoid applying the principles in the way intended, a bit like the scenario SYHO suggested, then I could see the regulator coming under pressure to use a big stick, and that could be very damaging to the game.
Wow, this sounds like Albion getting Chinese owners! Have they been bought by a poor Saudi Prince?! So they hang on till the deadline, go into administration and get sold for a fortune if they go up or bulldozed if they miss out - no pressure!I’m losing track of the number of Championship clubs who are currently under some form of restriction or are otherwise close to the edge. The situation at Sheffield looks perilous.
Sheffield United in desperate bid to avoid going into administration
EXCLUSIVE BY MATT HUGHES AND SAMI MOKBEL: Sheffield United have introduced a series of extraordinary cost-cutting measures to avoid entering administration as soon as next week.www.dailymail.co.uk
Wow, this sounds like Albion getting Chinese owners! Have they been bought by a poor Saudi Prince?! So they hang on till the deadline, go into administration and get sold for a fortune if they go up or bulldozed if they miss out - no pressure!
Summarised as ‘I want a closed shop competition’
Summarised as ‘I want a closed shop competition’
Clicked on this thread out of interest and saw the summary you posted last Feb. If we are getting the rules that were put up here back then, I'll be very happy.The Bill has been formally laid before Parliament and will be published today and knowing of the PL’s current refusal to agree the settlement with the EFL, the new Independent Regulator for Football (once established) will have the power to enforce one on them.
Shall keep an eye on what happens and what changes may occur during the Parliamentary process.
Historic Football Governance Bill introduced in Parliament
Historic legislation to reform the governance of men's elite football in England and put fans back at the heart of the game has been introduced in Parliament today.www.gov.uk
While agree with you,something has to be done as the FA and Football League obviously havent a cluePoliticians criticising football owners for financial mismanagement. The words pot, kettle and black come to mind.
The term "regulation" covers far too many areas and policies. Effective regulation requires expertise, even-handedness, but determination to root out companies and agencies who flout the rules. Far too often the regulators are way too close to the companies and act as gatekeepers for those companies.An "independent regulator", eh? The government's tool of choice. Like OFWAT, the poodle of the water companies, that has overseen the dumping of hundreds of thousands of tons of raw sewage into our rivers for as long as it has existed, as they post profits in the billions? Don't make me laugh! It'll do **** all, but it'll enable the govt to say it's regulating football for the good of the whole game. It won't be.
I've had dealings with the FCA and couldn't agree more.I have experience of working in an industry with an independent regulator - the Financial Conduct Authority.
Unfortunately, they aren't fit for purpose.
What - no more hooped socks!We've changed our kit colours many times in the past -
Old Gold;
yellow;
mustard;
inoffensive orange;
a sort of tan you sometimes see on a sunburnt heifer;
that murky brown found in swimming pools populated by kids...
Hopefully no more, then