They're just talking, we aren't in for Nunes, no one's in for Nunes, not at 50m, now 12m is a maybe.a few people on twitter saying nunes to liverpool (not agents just normal peeps)- is that true ? a rumour anywhere ? or are they just talking ****
They're just talking, we aren't in for Nunes, no one's in for Nunes, not at 50m, now 12m is a maybe.a few people on twitter saying nunes to liverpool (not agents just normal peeps)- is that true ? a rumour anywhere ? or are they just talking ****
I agree,but talk of us wanting Nunes has been going on for weeks now.And all we seem to hear is,he is not interested in joining wolves and is waiting for better offers.Why the **** do we keep trying to get players here that dow want to come..That's my gripe.
What I want to hear from these players is.
I hear wolves are after me,I wouldn't mind that,they seem like a team that is gonna be a good team in a couple of years and the players seem happy there.I'll have some of that..
Yeah I know the last sentence is *******s BUT.
still psg or milanRenato news is quiet … sorry to bring his me up
Malc, you’re mad!I think the opposite We aren't interested in Nunes, he would be a downgrade on Dendonker
Is that essentially a "**** off" price for a player that neither want nor need to sell?They want £50 million apparently. Not a bad turnaround for a left back they signed 12 months ago for £16 miliion
I think the opposite We aren't interested in Nunes, he would be a downgrade on Dendonker
broja staying most likelyWest ham surely can’t sign scammaca and Broja? I’d love broja an Eastern European. steamrolling ****house of a centre forward!
What does this selfless role actually mean though? A player who does things no one actually notices? -. Someone who doesn't do many good things?I was a big anti Dave but I support Donk. Edwards pressed like a headless chicken and basically played as a striker instead of a midiflder.
While Donk is better at filling in spaces and pressing when he needs too, and does selfless roles for the team.
If you don't ask, you don't get.
It's like your facially-challenged mate that starts dating an absolute stunner. He doesn't tell you about the 99 rejections he had before the 100th said yes!
What does this selfless role actually mean though?
Some one who doesn't do many good things. I'd more highly value someone who creates a move leading to a goal than someone who nearly manages to make a tackle.
What does this selfless role actually mean though? A player who does things no one actually notices? -. Someone who doesn't do many good things?
I'd more highly value someone who creates a move leading to a goal than someone who nearly manages to make a tackle.
Still get 11/2 on us going down, a bet that gets more attractive as the days pass.
Meanwhile Donk tries to cover players and at times support the forwards. I see him as a selfless player, sombody you have to carry some of the teams responailities for the better players or for a tactical decision. I don't know many plays that can play centre half, defensive midfield, box to box and also right wing, while being given different responailities each time.
He will be demanding huge wages again on a free transfer
The problem is that we may not have the budget to have specialist players in every position.To me, he's like a modern-day, higher quality version of Neil Emblen. Great pro, very adaptable and will always do a job no matter where he plays.
But ultimately, until you start to upgrade and look at more specialist players for more specialist roles, you won't progress.
Cant believe that we are just over two weeks until the start of the season and for a side and squad who have struggled to score goals the last 2 seasons we havent as yet signed one striker, loaned out our back up to Raul and currently have one no9 striker at the club. Really poor.
If we were to only sign one more first team player this window then surely central midfield would be the priority; therefore we should secure a signing before we even consider letting Donk leave and then only if we are confident of finding a replacement; otherwise we could be in the situation where we are down to two and find that our targets are disappearing as we approach September.
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We should be questioning it now. No links to anyone. No signings appear close and we have one striker at the club and no midfield signing. Really poor with the season just over two weeks away. A couple of injuries and we are stuffed.
The problem is that we may not have the budget to have specialist players in every position.
Donk and players of his ilk do a lot of unnoticed, unglamorous, unthanked graft that is only missed when they aren't there.
you'd think we would do thatIf we were to only sign one more first team player this window then surely central midfield would be the priority; therefore we should secure a signing before we even consider letting Donk leave and then only if we are confident of finding a replacement; otherwise we could be in the situation where we are down to two and find that our targets are disappearing as we approach September.
No I do understand, sorry Dan I was just jesting. Players who do the so-called dirty work often go unrecognised, I get that.His positioning, when we was playing 4231, we needed the cam to be sombody to show for the ball, link up play and also get into the box and support the striker. But he just hide from the ball and stood next to the striker and ran in behind constantly. Which I know is useful at the right time but, you're taking the chance away from the striker to run in behind and making it harder for McDonald to link the play from himself to upfront.
He was too bothered about trying to get a goal, then helping the team progress up the pitch first, which in itself should create more chances.
He also pressed on his own often which is either the rest of the team isn't trigging off the signal to press or he's doing it on his own, which could leave us open of they beat his press, which shouldn't be that hard for a championship side.
Meanwhile Donk tries to cover players and at times support the forwards. I see him as a selfless player, sombody you have to carry some of the teams responailities for the better players or for a tactical decision. I don't know many plays that can play centre half, defensive midfield, box to box and also right wing, while being given different responailities each time.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a super star or should start every game, but he's definitely useful to have in the squad. Especially with 5 subs. If we're playing a top 6 side or a really physical side he could be very useful to us.
If they sign just one more player then as usual we will get caught out when suspension and injuries hit . No way would I have loaned out a few of the players we have if no others are coming in .If we were to only sign one more first team player this window then surely central midfield would be the priority; therefore we should secure a signing before we even consider letting Donk leave and then only if we are confident of finding a replacement; otherwise we could be in the situation where we are down to two and find that our targets are disappearing as we approach September.
you'd think we would do that
You would also think we would sign a striker before Silva goes out on loan too....
I'm on exactly the same wave-length Wolfling.Yep.
It's not as though all this mysterious unseen water-carrying that Dendoncker does actually makes us better.
We were probably one of the worst teams to watch last season.
He was god-awful in a few games towards the end of last season. Spent 90 minutes chasing shadows that weren't even there against Brighton, a particular lowlight.
If we were playing amazing football and he was part of that, they'd be a case to say the work he was doing was actually leading to results, but it just isn't the case.
We have two very technically gifted midfielders, Moutinho being more of an all-rounder to Neves. Dendoncker is another all-rounder, but just not as good as Moutinho.
Replace Donk with something different and it gives us a different option, rather than just a watered-down version of our first choice midfield. Bring in a proper DM, who is better in the air and can sit in front of the defence, or a ball-carrying progressive midfielder that can add some dynamism, and they will add something new and something we don't have with our current options. If we play a 3, any combination would then probably be more effective than Neves, Mout and Donk too.
Spot on. Shame we've been saying it for at least a couple of years now.Yep.
It's not as though all this mysterious unseen water-carrying that Dendoncker does actually makes us better.
We were probably one of the worst teams to watch last season.
He was god-awful in a few games towards the end of last season. Spent 90 minutes chasing shadows that weren't even there against Brighton, a particular lowlight.
If we were playing amazing football and he was part of that, they'd be a case to say the work he was doing was actually leading to results, but it just isn't the case.
We have two very technically gifted midfielders, Moutinho being more of an all-rounder to Neves. Dendoncker is another all-rounder, but just not as good as Moutinho.
Replace Donk with something different and it gives us a different option, rather than just a watered-down version of our first choice midfield. Bring in a proper DM, who is better in the air and can sit in front of the defence, or a ball-carrying progressive midfielder that can add some dynamism, and they will add something new and something we don't have with our current options. If we play a 3, any combination would then probably be more effective than Neves, Mout and Donk too.
No I do understand, sorry Dan I was just jesting. Players who do the so-called dirty work often go unrecognised, I get that.
This is the beauty of football isn't it, who is right, who is wrong? - to be truthful despite each of us trying to present certain arguments, its just not black and white.
I watch Donk closely, and feel I am right . (That doesn't mean I am, I accept that). I even converted my son, I said "watch him very closely, every interaction", and he started to see the very weaknesses I had identified. He very rarely even gets close enough to the opposition midfielder to even put in a tackle, he is just not nimble enough, so I just do not see those defensive qualities that others feel he possesses. For me, its just poor-quality dirty work, poor quality unappreciated work, at best.
Ruben on the other hand gets in lots of tackles because he times it, and does not just endlessly chase the shadow of the opposition player. I genuinely think Donk is targeted by any smart opposition manager. So he doesn't recycle because he doesn't get the ball in the first place. On the rare occasion he gets the ball, he just hurriedly passes it back five yards like a startled rabbit in the headlights. We know his creativity is very poor, always these short, safe, backward passes, no looking up, no creative range of passing, no quick interchange of passes with other players to get things going forward. Ruben would benefit immensely and be even better with another better option, but of course they don't come cheap or easy. I do feel a better CM option would potentially improve the team no end full stop. Periodically, he does get forward well, to his credit - but last 2 years his shooting has been woeful when in very good positions, something stats can't always accurately appraise. His heading is reasonable, but even then he is hardly dominating in the air for such a tall man.
But I agree, at this stage, we cannot easily replace anyone. Normally I would personally say take £15m all day long for him, but I don't really have much faith in Scott Sellars to manage to convince a replacement at this late stage.
Overall though, harsh though it may be, the centre of attention over the past 2 years has been on the quality of Mouts ( at times) and predominantly Neves. Paradoxically, Donk has always been the 3rd in line. However, for me, he simply is the wrong type of midfielder to compliment the attributes of Neves and even a 36-year old Moutinho. Its not Donk's fault, we just need someone who can stretch opposition midfields a bit more and connect forward play, at the same time giving Ruben even more time and room to execute his obvious qualities. Midfield, whether a 2 or a 3, is a complex unit that requires coo-ordinated component parts, as you would expect from the engine of any good team. We should constantly strive for improvement, and we should address the fact that our immobile midfield generally (but not always) gets overrun after 20 minutes of most matches.
Shooting: Improved tremendously and no longer poor.
Intelligence: Above average.
Strength: One of the best.
Break up of play and intervention: Very good.
Fabinho, Rodri, Kante, Romeu, McTominay, Doucoure, Soucek, Xhaka, Milivojevic, Ndidi, Hojberg, Dallas, Longstaff.
What do they all bring to their respective Premier League teams?
Most of them, unsung, unnoticed and under appreciated like Donk, who their manager plays nearly every week!
Donk would have to be replaced by another unsung, unnoticed and under appreciated player imo just like one of those mentioned.