Wolves Poppy Badges

[Edgmond Wolf]

Wolves have no issues with this.
They have not refused permission for this to happen.
The British Legion have stated that they haven’t received authorisation from Wolves rather than a refusal. Wolves cannot trace any correspondence from them to this effect.

Wolves agreed this can go ahead but to date have heard nothing from them.

Beat me to it...good man

 

[PumpKing]

Beat me to it...good man

Clearing up something as important as this and putting folks right about the things that this club believes are right and proper, needs to be stated loud and clear Edg, and it doesn’t matter how many times it’s said.

 

[Plastic Shrapnel]

Perfectly fine with this, if anything I'm happy Wolves are disassociating themselves with the British Legion.

My late Grandad would have adored this decision.

Modern day, there's a political slant to the image of the poppy that also does not sit well with me.

 

[JadeWolf]

Wolves have no issues with this.
They have not refused permission for this to happen.
The British Legion have stated that they haven’t received authorisation from Wolves rather than a refusal. Wolves cannot trace any correspondence from them to this effect.

Wolves agreed this can go ahead but to date have heard nothing from them.

Good to hear Paul, had a feeling it would be something like this rather than anything more sinister.

 

[Deleted member 4456]

Perfectly fine with this, if anything I'm happy Wolves are disassociating themselves with the British Legion.

My late Grandad would have adored this decision.

Modern day, there's a political slant to the image of the poppy that also does not sit well with me.

Why?

 

[PumpKing]

Why?

Exactly. Why is a good reply to that post andy.

These comments about Wolves disassociating themselves with the poppy need to stop being repeated.
Wolves HAVE NOT done any such thing. Please check the facts, and wait until you see what is planned, this rubbish could not be further from the truth.

 

[iantendo]

Hopefully with the Premier League money we can afford to get a bugler who can actually play the Last Post in tune this year.

 

[PumpKing]

Hopefully with the Premier League money we can afford to get a bugler who can actually play the Last Post in tune this year.

They are not paid to do this and they would never ever want to be.

 

[Deleted member 4257]

For those of you beginning to think ill of the club for whatever might have happened here, please think again. I don’t think for one second the club would have refused to do this. The people there are just not like that and would never refuse to be involved in something like this.

If you could see the efforts going on at the moment with the plans for the Tottenham Remembrance game you would have your faith restored.

Is that for the sky cameras though?

 

[AndyWolves]

I like what the poppy stands for and the two minute silence we have - which I really hope people take the time to consider not only the brutal implications of war/conflict but also the hateful thinking that gets us there

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Is that for the sky cameras though?

No Wolves have always been respectful for the Rememberance Game
They always make me feel proud of my club on these occasions

 

[Lou Pine]

I always wear a poppy and have attended Remembrance Sunday events since I was a nipper. However, I’m genuinely flummoxed about How long there has been a ‘Remembrance Game’ for? I don’t remember the focus on it in 80s, 90s and even early 2000s.

I’m amazed that the Daily Mail haven’t latched on to Wolves lack of a poppy pin badge yet.

 

[PumpKing]

I always wear a poppy and have attended Remembrance Sunday events since I was a nipper. However, I’m genuinely flummoxed about How long there has been a ‘Remembrance Game’ for? I don’t remember the focus on it in 80s, 90s and even early 2000s.

I’m amazed that the Daily Mail haven’t latched on to Wolves lack of a poppy pin badge yet.

They no doubt will if this nonsense keeps being repeated often enough.

 

[PumpKing]

Is that for the sky cameras though?

No No and No again. It’s not fair to even suggest that.

 

[Deleted member LP 3925]

I'd imagine the great innovator, Major Frank Buckley would have wanted Wolves Poppies.

*If you don't know about his First World War exploits, a quick Google search will inform you.

 

[S G Wolves]

I like what the poppy stands for and the two minute silence we have - which I really hope people take the time to consider not only the brutal implications of war/conflict but also the hateful thinking that gets us there

This and this....

 

[Lou Pine]

They no doubt will if this nonsense keeps being repeated often enough.

They’ll no doubt focus on our foreign ownership and plethora of overseas players as well.

 

[iantendo]

I think it would be a really nice touch if we could put the names from the Wolverhampton WW1 Roll of Honour on the screens during the 2 minute silence.

Wolverhampton War Memorials - Surnames A-BO

 

[MobNet Wolf]

Perfectly fine with this, if anything I'm happy Wolves are disassociating themselves with the British Legion.

My late Grandad would have adored this decision.

Modern day, there's a political slant to the image of the poppy that also does not sit well with me.

Agree with this entirely.

I’ve got no problem with the festival of remembrance at all. But within some sections of society, football sadly in particular, it has become a festival of ordeal - who can prove their worthiness through increasingly manic acts of poppy-related silliness. It completely cheapens the very meaning of the symbol.

No one has yet been able to explain to me why every club now needs a home-leg for its remembrance events. Why isn’t it sufficient for the home club on the fixture closest to the 11th to mark the event? It’s the worst example of modern day grief tourism.

When an event of remembrance gets more febrile each year, you know it’s been adopted by people for alterior motives. I don’t accuse anyone here of doing that knowingly, only of being pawns in a game. Poppy fascism goes against everything our war dead stood for.

 

[astraltrader]

I buy the pin badges with the year on them and keep them on my board in the kitchen. £3 a year is hardly breaking the bank

I do exactly the same stu.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

Agree with this entirely.

I’ve got no problem with the festival of remembrance at all. But within some sections of society, football sadly in particular, it has become a festival of ordeal - who can prove their worthiness through increasingly manic acts of poppy-related silliness. It completely cheapens the very meaning of the symbol.

No one has yet been able to explain to me why every club now needs a home-leg for its remembrance events. Why isn’t it sufficient for the home club on the fixture closest to the 11th to mark the event? It’s the worst example of modern day grief tourism.

When an event of remembrance gets more febrile each year, you know it’s been adopted by people for alterior motives. I don’t accuse anyone here of doing that knowingly, only of being pawns in a game. Poppy fascism goes against everything our war dead stood for.

I wear a poppy this time of the year and I most certainly don't consider myself a "pawn in a game", far from it.

For me it is a time of sober reflection and remembrance. For if I had been born back then I too could have ended up perishing in the Somme in the same way one of my distant relatives did. He went to war from NZ, just a young guy, and never came home. He is buried in France to this very day.

It was a different world back then and rightly or wrongly these guys were simply doing their duty, so at least give them the time of day once a year and leave the politics out of it

 

[glorybox]

I blame James McClean...

 

[WOMWOL]

Those who argue that the poppy is politicized are doing just that!

 

[wolvesultra]

Agree with this entirely.

I’ve got no problem with the festival of remembrance at all. But within some sections of society, football sadly in particular, it has become a festival of ordeal - who can prove their worthiness through increasingly manic acts of poppy-related silliness. It completely cheapens the very meaning of the symbol.

No one has yet been able to explain to me why every club now needs a home-leg for its remembrance events. Why isn’t it sufficient for the home club on the fixture closest to the 11th to mark the event? It’s the worst example of modern day grief tourism.

When an event of remembrance gets more febrile each year, you know it’s been adopted by people for alterior motives. I don’t accuse anyone here of doing that knowingly, only of being pawns in a game. Poppy fascism goes against everything our war dead stood for.

This

 

[Northamptonwolf]

Why do people continue jump to conclusions? Its been explained on here about the clubs position on this.

2 minutes silences at football for remembrance Sunday is not a new thing. Its been happening for years. I remember some seasons that because of the way fixtures have fallen we have had 3 games where there has been a silence which is fine with me as it gives an additional opportunity to remember those brave heros.

In regards to clubs doing more, well that great, it keeps the memory alive and raises more money.

Well done @PumpKing for all your hard work. Im unable to volunteer due to work and location but when i walk into the stadium i certainly appreciate the efforts of you and your helpers

 

[wolvesultra]

I wear a poppy this time of the year and I most certainly don't consider myself a "pawn in a game", far from it.

For me it is a time of sober reflection and remembrance. For if I had been born back then I too could have ended up perishing in the Somme in the same way one of my distant relatives did. He went to war from NZ, just a young guy, and never came home. He is buried in France to this very day.

It was a different world back then and rightly or wrongly these guys were simply doing their duty, so at least give them the time of day once a year and leave the politics out of it

But also this....

Those two posts sum up my own internal conflict to be fair.

But I will wear a poppy with pride (not wearing it because of the ******** little Englunder right or even the champagne socialist left who try to politicise it, is only letting them win). I’ll wear it for its rightful reasons to remember nothing more nothing less.

To remember those ordinary young men and women who went through the hell of war and paid the ultimate price.

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

To remember those ordinary young men and women who went through the hell of war and paid the ultimate price.

That is what the poppy is all about imo

For me it is a simple yet poignant message, one that transcends the politics that seek to either glorify war or conversely to vilify the soldiers that fought in them.

Of course I am referring primarily to WW1 and WW2 where soldiers were conscripted

 

[Pitbull]

I'd imagine the great innovator, Major Frank Buckley would have wanted Wolves Poppies.

*If you don't know about his First World War exploits, a quick Google search will inform you.

I did that and found this, a good read and shows just how Wolves were pioneers in football.

Major Frank Buckley - Warrior and football visionary

 

[topcat99]

I am a military veteran.

Personally I prefer to keep rememberance symbols and other symbols ( such as football) seperate.

But each to their own.

 

[JadeWolf]

But also this....

Those two posts sum up my own internal conflict to be fair.

But I will wear a poppy with pride (not wearing it because of the ******** little Englunder right or even the champagne socialist left who try to politicise it, is only letting them win). I’ll wear it for its rightful reasons to remember nothing more nothing less.

To remember those ordinary young men and women who went through the hell of war and paid the ultimate price.

I sorta know where you're coming from tbf.

For me I always wear a poppy, to remember the sacrifice that people have made in the past, and also in the present too (my elder brother is a member of the armed forces).

But I do really find it annoying how it becomes a thing to try and outdo each year. It was like last year I was involved with selling the poppies at my school I work at, and we had the simple paper poppies, but then there were badges, wristbands, snapbands, bracelets, it was crazy really. I know it's all marketing, but I just think, is it going too far? I really hope it doesn't become commercialised or gimmicky for the sake of it.

But equally I'm looking forward to seeing what @PumpKing and his volunteers have got planned for the Tottenham game.

 

[goldeneyed]

Simple remembrance.
That is all. A deep respect for the sacrifice and bravery of millions in the name of freedom. The need to pass this down the generations. I have not the slightest doubt that our club fully supports these sentiments.

 

[wolvesultra]

I sorta know where you're coming from tbf.

For me I always wear a poppy, to remember the sacrifice that people have made in the past, and also in the present too (my elder brother is a member of the armed forces).

But I do really find it annoying how it becomes a thing to try and outdo each year. It was like last year I was involved with selling the poppies at my school I work at, and we had the simple paper poppies, but then there were badges, wristbands, snapbands, bracelets, it was crazy really. I know it's all marketing, but I just think, is it going too far? I really hope it doesn't become commercialised or gimmicky for the sake of it.

But equally I'm looking forward to seeing what @PumpKing and his volunteers have got planned for the Tottenham game.

Yeah that's what it was intended for, its not so much the people competing (although I do find that a little crass) its more the use of it as some sort of political statement. Even two minutes after posting my earlier post I log onto facebook and see some post with the poppy being used backed by a Union flag saying something like 'don't wear one...**** off out of our country'. Its **** like that which makes me feel like not wearing one (but still donating I'll always do that) but I suppose that's letting them win.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Why do people continue jump to conclusions? Its been explained on here about the clubs position on this.

2 minutes silences at football for remembrance Sunday is not a new thing. Its been happening for years. I remember some seasons that because of the way fixtures have fallen we have had 3 games where there has been a silence which is fine with me as it gives an additional opportunity to remember those brave heros.

In regards to clubs doing more, well that great, it keeps the memory alive and raises more money.

Well done @PumpKing for all your hard work. Im unable to volunteer due to work and location but when i walk into the stadium i certainly appreciate the efforts of you and your helpers

This in Spades

 

[ricki herberts moustache]

Simple remembrance.
That is all. A deep respect for the sacrifice and bravery of millions in the name of freedom. The need to pass this down the generations. I have not the slightest doubt that our club fully supports these sentiments.

The reason that the whole remembrance thing wasn't a part of football back in the 80's and 90's is merely a reflection of society at that time: young people weren't too interested in remembering the wars back then (myself included) and many of the people who fought in WW1 and 2 were still alive at the point in time: and not too many of them were too keen to relive their war years.

But as the WW1 generation passed into history and then the generation who lived through WW2 also became fewer in number there was a real rebirth of interest in the lives of these people, especially amongst younger folk when they learnt about their great grand fathers, grandfathers, great uncles etc

I believe the political spin being put on this rekindling of interest, while it may be apply to a minority, most certainly doesn't represent the average person.

ANZAC Day in in NZ nearly faded into total obscurity in the 70's, 80's and even 90's but now it has huge turn out and its not for political reasons it has grown but people simply wanting to pay tribute to what their forebears went through and reflect on their lives...and lives lost

 

[PumpKing]

I think it would be a really nice touch if we could put the names from the Wolverhampton WW1 Roll of Honour on the screens during the 2 minute silence.

Wolverhampton War Memorials - Surnames A-BO

I had a job reading down just the first page of those names. It really brings it home to you, the huge sacrifice that these men, women and their families made. What hit me hard, was to read the local addresses where they lived. These same houses that you drive and walk by today. To think that these brave souls lost in these wars once walked out of these very same houses, never to return.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

I live in a small village, the list of names on the memorial Cross is huge.....a generation wiped out

God bless them

 

[wolvesultra]

On the wider subject, anyone seen the black silhouettes dotted around town (been in Bilston for a while now, ahead of the game at we)?

I think they're great just worry if any get vandalised / not properly maintained.

 

[Highwayman]

When I wear a poppy it is to remember those who lost their lives in conflict. I remember them all not just those who were associated with a football club I support. i am perfectly fine without a Wolves connotation to the poppy.

Agree with some sentiments on her with regard to why every club has to have its own remembrance, it should be the Saturday before remembrance Sunday. I think it was a couple of years ago I attended a game in October and there was remembrance which then went on into mid-November.

 

[Jack Russell]

I think it would be a really nice touch if we could put the names from the Wolverhampton WW1 Roll of Honour on the screens during the 2 minute silence.

Wolverhampton War Memorials - Surnames A-BO

Reading the names and ages of the people mentioned really puts the situation into perspective. As a veteran and a parent, I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to lose a child in these, or any, circumstances but, some people lost more than one child - it doesn't bear thinking about. I really cannot imagine how parents coped with these tragedies!

We shall remember them and the sacrifices they made for us!

 

[themanwhobuiltthemoon]

It’s your choice to wear a poppy or not. That’s freedom itself really. No one should be forcing you to wear one or not, and no one should be criticised if they have a genuine reason.

At the end of the day wearing a poppy is just one way of showing respect for the armed forces. For lots of people it’s the only thing they do, which is fine. I don’t like how it’s a competition to see who can do the most. A simple poppy should be enough.

Good post. Not long until the annual fortnight of James McClean hating begins, or a campaign to get a TV presenter sacked for not wearing a poppy on air.

It's absolutely right for football clubs to acknowledge Remembrance but I agree it has turned into a bit of a competition at times.

Wear a poppy out of pride, not just out of habit.