The backroom staff

[Aurum Lupus]

why would i give him a chance?

i see nothing but gloom and doom.

i have written him off.

I dont think he'll be here long. But am willing to see how results go first. If he turns out better than expected I'll admit it too. I hope you're not going to be another to die on their cross before admitting being wrong!

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

No, if you do you like it you resign and get another job. You don't keep moaning about it whilst still an employee.

BS, I'm straight to HR to bitch about the boss and his running of the department.

I'm not supporting him as he has made many mistakes,I just find this narrative that Shi is a liar really tiresome, when in reality no one knows what has gone on behind the scenes.

We don't know for sure, we can only read between the lines, which is what you're doing by berating JL's actions.

I'll give you another scenario.
You have a good job and everything is going well at home. You promise your kids their dream trip to Disney land Florida next year. They are besides themselves with excitement. However, a month later, out of the blue, you get made redundant. Two months later you find another job on less money, but in the meantime your mortgage rate has doubled. You have to tell your kids that the holiday is off.

Does that make you a liar?

That's not the scenario JL found himself in though. The club were apparently paying him and his staff £10m a year, there was no redundancy.

You've seemingly been allowed to bid for flights and hotel at the magic Kingdom with the company credit card, unbeknownst to you the credits been reduced. Good thing your bids have been turned down then.

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

The contract was null and void as soon as Fosun turned the taps off.It wouls

I would say that it would depend on the terms of the contract. If it had a clause that the Club would provide appropriate funds then JL would most likely be able to leave the club with compensation if this was broken.
If however there was no such condition then JL is contracted to the club for the length of the contract. Yes he could walk but he would not be entitled to a big fat leaving present uness the club offered it to him.
If the club itself wanted to sack him of course he would be entitled to whatever compensation he would agree.
As we dont know the full ins and outs none of us can fully judge it.
Transfers are an important part of running the club successfully. If there is some issue that the club faces that was unknown at the time then you would hope that a manager would do his best to work within that framework. However in this case if the upper management of the club now find they do not have the promised funds because of lack of expected knowledge (ie FFP rules) that changes the picture.
How good or otherwiseJL would have been we will never know. All we know is that hiis time here turned us around fro m being the bottom club facing almost certain relegation to safety and then guided us to a healthy preparation for the start of the season.
As fans I think we have every right to feel diisappointed at what has happened and I dont think though either the club or JL come out this with flying colours.

 

[superwolves]

Should get Bully involved to work with the strikers. Think Teddy Sheringham did something similar with West ham. Surely our strikers would benefit from Bully's know how

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

I would say that it would depend on the terms of the contract. If it had a clause that the Club would provide appropriate funds then JL would most likely be able to leave the club with compensation if this was broken.
If however there was no such condition then JL is contracted to the club for the length of the contract. Yes he could walk but he would not be entitled to a big fat leaving present uness the club offered it to him.
If the club itself wanted to sack him of course he would be entitled to whatever compensation he would agree.
As we dont know the full ins and outs none of us can fully judge it.
Transfers are an important part of running the club successfully. If there is some issue that the club faces that was unknown at the time then you would hope that a manager would do his best to work within that framework. However in this case if the upper management of the club now find they do not have the promised funds because of lack of expected knowledge (ie FFP rules) that changes the picture.
How good or otherwiseJL would have been we will never know. All we know is that hiis time here turned us around fro m being the bottom club facing almost certain relegation to safety and then guided us to a healthy preparation for the start of the season.
As fans I think we have every right to feel diisappointed at what has happened and I dont think though either the club or JL come out this with flying colours.

Exactly, we don't know. If it transpires that JL and his staff resigned because they didn't fancy it, then I'd like to think they weren't compensated.

If they were compensated, which either way will be determined at some point, then we'll know the club felt JL et al were deserving of a payout.

So until then, let's stop speculating. The truth will out eventually.

 

[DDPPwolf313]

Should get Bully involved to work with the strikers. Think Teddy Sheringham did something similar with West ham. Surely our strikers would benefit from Bully's know how

"Yowv just gorra smash it hard and early"

Wouldn't be bad advice to be honest

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Exactly, we don't know. If it transpires that JL and his staff resigned because they didn't fancy it, then I'd like to think they weren't compensated.

If they were compensated, which either way will be determined at some point, then we'll know the club felt JL et al were deserving of a payout.

So until then, let's stop speculating. The truth will out eventually.

It will. I have sent away to china to acquire some truth serum. At the minimum to use on Jeff, JL and Doris.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

It will. I have sent away to china to acquire some truth serum. At the minimum to use on Jeff, JL and Doris.

Something's gonna show in the accounts. Can't hide that!

 

[loppers86]

I dont think he'll be here long. But am willing to see how results go first. If he turns out better than expected I'll admit it too. I hope you're not going to be another to die on their cross before admitting being wrong!

id be surprised if i’m wrong. it was pretty obvious to everyone in the world apart from Hobbs and Shi.

 

[Aurum Lupus]

id be surprised if i’m wrong. it was pretty obvious to everyone in the world apart from Hobbs and Shi.

Agreed, today was awful.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

We can't score, Dawson I suspect will become a big liability as the season goes on and when the going gets tough, like it will, can we rely on our temperamental (mental?) Iberians? All big concerns for me, added to the fact our squad has no depth, can an inexperienced manager show them the way? I think we're bottom tonight and if we lose at Everton we're likely to remain bottom and I expect alarm bells will already be ringing in the offices at Molineux. I so wish GON well but I've always said he'll be gone by Xmas and after today's horror show it could end up being earlier. I want to say I hope I'm wrong because he seems like a good guy but we're a big club and deserve a manager who will get us firing.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Sorry all, my above post is possibly on the wrong thread. I thought we were discussing GON. Having said that he has about 2 assistants presently which will only add to his problems.

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Agreed, today was awful.

It was the start of the second half that comletely killed us off and then it wa hard to come back from. Serious ...yes but we have had matches that have been worse.
It now depends on how the management deal with it.
If it doesn;t break you it can make you stronger.

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

We can't score, Dawson I suspect will become a big liability as the season goes on and when the going gets tough, like it will, can we rely on our temperamental (mental?) Iberians? All big concerns for me, added to the fact our squad has no depth, can an inexperienced manager show them the way? I think we're bottom tonight and if we lose at Everton we're likely to remain bottom and I expect alarm bells will already be ringing in the offices at Molineux. I so wish GON well but I've always said he'll be gone by Xmas and after today's horror show it could end up being earlier. I want to say I hope I'm wrong because he seems like a good guy but we're a big club and deserve a manager who will get us firing.

Funny how we cry out for a young British manager to be succesful and then dont even give one a chance when the gamble comes along. I haven't a clue whether O'Neill will turn out okay or not but I will give him time before I judge how he is doing.

 

[Wolf316]

Funny how we cry out for a young British manager to be succesful and then dont even give one a chance when the gamble comes along. I haven't a clue whether O'Neill will turn out okay or not but I will give him time before I judge how he is doing.

How much time?

 

[DanishWolf]

Managers tend to like to work with people they have worked with before ,people they trust .Talk of Joao coming in to replace Robson is unlikely to happen .GON has no affinity with Joao ,it’s merely sentiment on here for his time at the club .I have no idea who is out there but at the end of the day we are a PL team so there must be plenty of viable options.

That's what we thought about the manager situation too..

 

[DanishWolf]

Funny how we cry out for a young British manager to be succesful and then dont even give one a chance when the gamble comes along. I haven't a clue whether O'Neill will turn out okay or not but I will give him time before I judge how he is doing.

I personally dont get the fixation with British, but quite a few young British managers are doing a good job below the PL and have done for for a few seasons.
I think some of them deserve a chance. Yet we appoint someone with 9 months experience as a manager

 

[Wolf 82]

How much time?

Enough time to try and organise this team and show signs of improvement, most likely. We’ve got a tough run of games to start, but he will have to show some traction in the winnable games.. if he doesn’t, we could hit 15 games in a worse position than last season. At which stage, who in their right mind is gonna take the job with no money to spend (that’s a rhetorical question, it’ll be the same firemen appointments that it always is in the Prem).

We had a lucky escape last season, it’s criminal for Fosun to take the risks they have this summer after last year.

We have no choice but to get behind the team and O’Neil now imo.. I would have rather we appointed someone else, but now this appointment has happened, he’s probably our best chance to get out of this.

 

[grumpywolf]

That's what we thought about the manager situation too..

Sell Podence to get some money and bring in Graham Potter as manager and invite GON to be his assistant?

 

[WWFC4EVA]

I personally dont get the fixation with British, but quite a few young British managers are doing a good job below the PL and have done for for a few seasons.
I think some of them deserve a chance. Yet we appoint someone with 9 months experience as a manager

If that's the path we wanted to go down, I'd have been all over Mark Robins at Coventry City.

 

[WickedWolfie]

If that's the path we wanted to go down, I'd have been all over Mark Robins at Coventry City.

He has views though.... Mr Shi doesn't want that!

 

[Contrarian]

Can we get Bruno's brother and Lopetegui's son back?

 

[Jonzy54]

That's what we thought about the manager situation too..

But we have to pay for them

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

How much time?is

On a personal basis I would be looking for signs such as are the team buying into what he doing or is there some signs of improvement. One thing that does concerm me though was the way the players came out of the tunnel for the second half wth their heads down alongside the Brighton team bouncing around. I dont know what that was aboutbut that for me was where we threw away the match.

 

[wolfslair]

He has views though.... Mr Shi doesn't want that!

He also would have cost compo……

Jeff the tight ******* wouldn’t pay that!

 

[Eastyorksyeltz]

Can we get Bruno's brother and Lopetegui's son back?

GON, not even got the class to exhibit elite nepotism. Has he got no unemployed family members?

 

[WickedWolfie]

GON, not even got the class to exhibit elite nepotism. Has he got no unemployed family members?

Given that he has bugger all experience himself the mind boggles about what his family members might have to offer....

 

[Jonzy54]

GON, not even got the class to exhibit elite nepotism. Has he got no unemployed family members?

Perhaps Uncle Martin can offer some advice

 

[Ned]

The coaching team is more of a concern than the manager. An inexperienced coach could really do with some experience and a few extra coaches to help carry the load.

The players have gone from having a whole team of respected coaches to having a couple of coaches trying to make do. Not too dissimilar from what happened with Steve Davis.

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

The coaching team is more of a concern than the manager. An inexperienced coach could really do with some experience and a few extra coaches to help carry the load.

The players have gone from having a whole team of respected coaches to having a couple of coaches trying to make do. Not too dissimilar from what happened with Steve Davis.

This I believe we get into the territory of the difference between a manager and a coach. Sometimes you might come across someone that is excellent at both but rarrrely. Some say that a manager just manages but I believe the best football managers are best to be leaders. Coaches should be there to elicit skills from the players and trainers are there to teach.
A good manager needs good coaches. He almost certainly cant do it on his own.
Brian Clough had Peter Taylor and I believe a guy named Fenton. I seem to remember Cloughie saying that the worst mistake he ever made was splitting with Taylor.
Shanks had a whole host of coaches.
So I share your concern.

 

[Wolf 82]

This I believe we get into the territory of the difference between a manager and a coach. Sometimes you might come across someone that is excellent at both but rarrrely. Some say that a manager just manages but I believe the best football managers are best to be leaders. Coaches should be there to elicit skills from the players and trainers are there to teach.
A good manager needs good coaches. He almost certainly cant do it on his own.
Brian Clough had Peter Taylor and I believe a guy named Fenton. I seem to remember Cloughie saying that the worst mistake he ever made was splitting with Taylor.
Shanks had a whole host of coaches.
So I share your concern.

So no coincidence that the 2 managers who brought the biggest teams of coaches have been our most effective then..

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

So no coincidence that the 2 managers who brought the biggest teams of coaches have been our most effective then..

I agree mostly and I would put the emphasis on the fact it was a team of coaches that knew each other's style of play and could work together. That is what GON has to create as he cannot bring in the equivalent of JLs imports.

 

[berwickwolf]

We need specialist coaches
Tactician
And people that set standards like coming onto pitch second half

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I agree mostly and I would put the emphasis on the fact it was a team of coaches that knew each other's style of play and could work together. That is what GON has to create as he cannot bring in the equivalent of JLs imports.

Yep. Said this was an issue when he was first linked with us. His lack of experience and the fact his only coaching job came from stepping up at Bournemouth means he’s not yet built a team of people to support him. In that respect it’s almost like having Davis in charge again.

 

[Eastern Wolf]

Why aren’t more specialist coaches joining the team? Is it that GON doesn’t know any? Is it that he thinks he doesn’t need any? Or is it that the top brass won’t let him?

 

[DanishWolf]

Why aren’t more specialist coaches joining the team? Is it that GON doesn’t know any? Is it that he thinks he doesn’t need any? Or is it that the top brass won’t let him?

Probably a combination of 2 of those 3.

 

[Bacon Sandwich]

Must be a hell of a shock for the players. They've suddenly gone from seven or eight guys who'd had some measure of success, who they respected, who spoke their language... To three blokes they've very probably never heard of, who've achieved very little of note and whose Spanish/Portuguese is probably limited to 'por favor' and 'obrigado, mate.'

GON is going to do very, very well to stop it splitting into two camps - staff and players. Fortunately Hobbs anticipated this and a good portion of the fabled three hour chat was spent discussing it...