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Stories of the undercover police who infiltrated the hooligan Wolves Subway Army

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Read a good book a few years back about a bloke who infiltrated the Millwall firm. Also enjoyed that Chelsea documentary on BBC about the guy who got in with the 'Headhunters' many moons ago. Somebody confessed to slitting a police officer's throat while being recorded in a car which didn't go down well.

Always find the subject interesting, despite never really throwing a punch in my life!
 

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Read a good book a few years back about a bloke who infiltrated the Millwall firm. Also enjoyed that Chelsea documentary on BBC about the guy who got in with the 'Headhunters' many moons ago. Somebody confessed to slitting a police officer's throat while being recorded in a car which didn't go down well.

Always find the subject interesting, despite never really throwing a punch in my life!
If you’ve not read among the thugs by bill buford then I’d highly recommend it
 

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If you’ve not read among the thugs by bill buford then I’d highly recommend it
Think that was one of the very first books on football hooliganism, I remember reading it when it came out in 1992 and really enjoyed it. Not sure how well it has aged, but still have it so will have a look at it again. I remember undercover hooliganism reporting was very popular in the 1990s with books and TV programmes like Donal MacIntyre Investigates.

One of my favourite ever football books is A Season with Verona by Tim Parks. He's English man who just moved to Italy to work as a translator at a university and started following Hellas Verona home and away. It's not about hooliganism per se but there is some of it in there. I remember crying with laughter at some of the stories of Verona away trips, not really the hooliganism stories but the ridiculous lengths supporters go to to travel away and the situations they find themselves in.
 
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The hooligan, that bought about all the restrictions that the modern fan deals with
Membership point etc a foreign language to an old fart like me,
Go to any game anywhere in the country till you he clamp down due to idiots, forced to sit not stand no pay on the day at turnstiles
Well done to all the hooligans Pratts
 
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Is he??? Always comes across as a massive Neanderthal bell end to me. Any bloke his age bragging about being a hooligan needs to get a life
Haha i agree. I saw him pre match a few years back v Blues drinking in the Britannia, no idea how he got away with it, being banned from town on matchdays etc, although his banning order may have ended before being reinstated for another x years.

He was trying cause aggro, a grown man shouting come on Wolves whilst standing at the back of the crowd.

I hear he went on to selling knock off Wolves shirts in pubs around the outskirts of Wolvo which says it all.

Very strange
 
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Haha i agree. I saw him pre match a few years back v Blues drinking in the Britannia, no idea how he got away with it, being banned from town on matchdays etc.

He was trying cause aggro, a grown man shouting come on Wolves whilst standing at the back of the crowd.

I hear he went on to selling knock off Wolves shirts in pubs around the outskirts of Wolvo which says it all.

Very strange
I saw him getting nicked last season, was just about to walk into the spoons when the police spotted him. I was outside having a cigarette, he was on his best behaviour until some “faces” walked up the road so he starting playing the police up, this is a bloke well into his 50s. Absolute moron
 
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I saw him getting nicked last season, was just about to walk into the spoons when the police spotted him. I was outside having a cigarette, he was on his best behaviour until some “faces” walked up the road so he starting playing the police up, this is a bloke well into his 50s. Absolute moron
Yeah his latest banning order ended 2021 i think, you think he’d learn.
 

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People like that don’t learn. They just go from young bell ends into old bell ends.
Last time I saw him was in Walsall prior to a friendly with them when he was walking around trying to pick fights with some kids
 

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Think that was one of the very first books on football hooliganism, I remember reading it when it came out in 1992 and really enjoyed it. Not sure how well it has aged, but still have it so will have a look at it again. I remember undercover hooliganism reporting was very popular in the 1990s with books and TV programmes like Donal MacIntyre Investigates.

One of my favourite ever football books is A Season with Verona by Tim Parks. He's English man who just moved to Italy to work as a translator at a university and started following Hellas Verona home and away. It's not about hooliganism per se but there is some of it in there. I remember crying with laughter at some of the stories of Verona away trips, not really the hooliganism stories but the ridiculous lengths supporters go to to travel away and the situations they find themselves in.
I’ve got that but don’t think I’ve ever actually read it. Will do so
Another good ‘italian’ football book is The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro. About a tiny amateur team getting promoted up to Serie B - a v good story
 

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Read a good book a few years back about a bloke who infiltrated the Millwall firm. Also enjoyed that Chelsea documentary on BBC about the guy who got in with the 'Headhunters' many moons ago. Somebody confessed to slitting a police officer's throat while being recorded in a car which didn't go down well.

Always find the subject interesting, despite never really throwing a punch in my life!
That guy was Andy Frain. McIntyre uncovered show. He lived in Reading and a lot of it was shot there undercover. Was a bit eerie when you see it on your doorstep
 

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I’ve got that but don’t think I’ve ever actually read it. Will do so
Another good ‘italian’ football book is The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro. About a tiny amateur team getting promoted up to Serie B - a v good story
Miracle of Castel Di Sangro is absolutely brilliant. Another of my favourite ever books overall, not just football books. Think I read it around the same time as the Tim Parks book.
 

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Last time I saw him was in Walsall prior to a friendly with them when he was walking around trying to pick fights with some kids
I've seen the fat lad at Ipswich, Watford and Forest away a few years back (6 I think) always surrounded by a bunch of saft lads in their teens and 20s, trying to 'organise' them: he's still involved but on the periphery.

That said, if I'm honest I missed him and his mob of idiots when we played Vale away when they were taking pops at normal fans.

The 'friendly' the season after we took the ugliest, most yampy group seen since the 90s to Burslem and Vale pretended they weren't bothered. I suppose I'm saying I'm slightly ambivalent about Gilly & Co: hate em when they give us a bad name or cause trouble for innocent fans, but there's the odd occasion when they're useful idiots.
 
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There are two sides to every story. Why did police in full riot gear try to round up Wolves fans outside Scarborough while they were acting peacefully in the beer garden? The landlord told the police to go away as we were welcome. They sent riot police into the away end before any trouble started and totally lost the situation. Wolves fans let private security in to escort club staff to safety without incident. After the game the police locked the outer gates and rattled the iron bars with their trunchons. The crown rushed the gate, knocked it off its hinges and the police were routed. There was a lot of police provocation that day.
 

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On this topic (but not books) has anyone seen ID? Story about a police officer who goes undercover with football hooligans and goes native.

Pretty terrifying character study. The last scene of him sprinkling coke onto his breakfast cereal while watching a burnt out TV is just horrific.

Would recommend if no one has seen it. Best film about football hooliganism l have seen.
 

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I never got involved in anything like this, but admittedly ended up having to defend myself once having ended up in a bad situation.

Now , being a former paratrooper, I can handle myself, but generally do not have to

Home game v Millwall. Son was out of cash, so wandered off to Asda to get money. I said I would meet him at TheWanderer, as we were in the SB.

As I got adjacent to the subway, a load of Millwall ran past me towards the Feathers.

Had a panic, because I didn’t know where my lad (aged 16) was.

A melee was happening down the road at the feathers, so I tried to cut across to the Wanderer.

Two 20 something Stone Island warriors tried to stop me

I got through ok. Son was in the back bar.

He hadn’t seen the ruck outside. Thicko

Not sure, but I think Alex Rae scored a 90th minute winner for us. ?

Night game though I think
 
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I never got involved in anything like this, but admittedly ended up having to defend myself once having ended up in a bad situation.

Now , being a former paratrooper, I can handle myself, but generally do not have to

Home game v Millwall. Son was out of cash, so wandered off to Asda to get money. I said I would meet him at TheWanderer, as we were in the SB.

As I got adjacent to the subway, a load of Millwall ran past me towards the Feathers.

Had a panic, because I didn’t know where my lad (aged 16) was.

A melee was happening down the road at the feathers, so I tried to cut across to the Wanderer.

Two 20 something Stone Island warriors tried to stop me

I got through ok. Son was in the back bar.

He hadn’t seen the ruck outside. Thicko

Not sure, but I think Alex Rae scored a 90yh minute winner for us. ?

Night game though I think
Yeah, it was a night game, me and a mate were walking down the slope off the ring road towards the North Bank.
The Millwall fans broke through the police cordon and ran across the dual carriage and down the slope towards the ground. Suffice to say we didn’t hang about, it’s the fastest I’d ran for years.
 

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On this topic (but not books) has anyone seen ID? Story about a police officer who goes undercover with football hooligans and goes native.

Pretty terrifying character study. The last scene of him sprinkling coke onto his breakfast cereal while watching a burnt out TV is just horrific.

Would recommend if no one has seen it. Best film about football hooliganism l have seen.
I remember I saw it in the 80's(?), Shadwell hoolie group called the Kennel?
It was quite "intresting", back then atleast :)
 

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when i was 16 i thought all this hard man stuff mattered. now I am 63 i realise they were just idiots with no life. i loved the atmosphere in the 70s especially the old old north bank but the violence in the south bank and outside the ground was stupid
 

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when i was 16 i thought all this hard man stuff mattered. now I am 63 i realise they were just idiots with no life. i loved the atmosphere in the 70s especially the old old north bank but the violence in the south bank and outside the ground was stupid
I agree. I am the same age as you. I would add however that while it was perfectly possible to avoid trouble in that era you didn't particularly have to be a trouble maker to find it. Or it to find you rather.
 

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On this topic (but not books) has anyone seen ID? Story about a police officer who goes undercover with football hooligans and goes native.

Pretty terrifying character study. The last scene of him sprinkling coke onto his breakfast cereal while watching a burnt out TV is just horrific.

Would recommend if no one has seen it. Best film about football hooliganism l have seen.
Is it quite old? Is it available on any streaming platform?
 

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I see im mentioned in the newspaper article in that link lol
 
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