Semedo

[Ned]

He didn't get the run on him, that's the point.

Ok, so in your eyes he lost a header to a bigger player who got above him? Defenders don’t have a god given right to win every header. Blaming him for the goal is mental.

 

[tamwolf]

If Semedo lost that famous Cristiano Ronaldo header, there would be people on here complaining that he should have done better.

Not every lost header needs to be the fault of of the defender challenging. Sometimes a cross is stood up just right and allows an attacker to get a run on the ball to get above a defender. Today that happened and there wasn't a lot Semedo could do.

The fault more lies with Toti and then Bueno for allowing time for the cross. You can guarantee if Semedo swapped roles with either of those guys for the goal, those blaming him now would be making him the main culprit again.

 

[floydstreet]

Does costing us a goal allow criticism?

Bizarre

Maybe look back as to how we gifted possession and allowed the cross to come in with no pressure

Of course they can pick the striker out then

Having a strong season and frankly the least of our issues. Bueno and Toti were more a concern for me today

 

[Perton Wolf]

There’s some kind of weird belief that attacking players aren’t allowed to win headers against defenders. Semedo had previous for switching off at the back post, of course, but today there wasn’t a lot else he could have done against a bigger man getting the run on him.

Agreed, it's ridiculous.

 

[Fenrir_]

They can't really. You're acting like he's way bigger, he's not (there's 2 inches apparently). Also, Semedo doesn't have to win the duel, he has to not lose it - a big difference.

I completely agree we should've done more down the other side, but our RB should be able to do with this. Letting in a cross happens, you shouldn't lose a header to a LB like that, IMO.

Why do you keep on identifying "you shouldn't lose a header to a LB" or "you shouldn't lose a header to Harry Toffolo"? None of that makes one jot of difference. It was a decent ball in, Toffolo is up early and stops Semedo jumping, looks like he hasn't headed it properly but it's gone in, it happens. As I said, it wasn't particularly bad, it's not as if he's let him run off him to get a free header or the like, but one of your first thoughts was to come on here and moan he cost us a goal. If we're going after players for losing a header we're going to be going after an awful lot of players an awful lot of the time. He arguably saved a goal in the second half with a back stick clearance and a Forest player waiting, any mention of that?

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Ok, so in your eyes he lost a header to a bigger player who got above him? Defenders don’t have a god given right to win every header. Blaming him for the goal is mental.

It's hilarious how you're acting like he lost a header to Crouch.

Wiki has Semedo at 5ft10, Toffolo as 6ft. There's nothing really in it. He doesn't even have to win the header. He has to stop Toffolo winning a header. Toffolo has not scored a header in his career before today.

Listen to what you're saying, blaming someone for losing a header is 'mental'. Really?

 

[WolvesAndCows]

Semedo put no effort in whatsoever to win that header. He's just stood there trying to put Toffolo off from winning the header. He didn't even bother to jump for it.

 

[Fenrir_]

If Semedo lost that famous Cristiano Ronaldo header, there would be people on here complaining that he should have done better.

Not every lost header needs to be the fault of of the defender challenging. Sometimes a cross is stood up just right and allows an attacker to get a run on the ball to get above a defender. Today that happened and there wasn't a lot Semedo could do.

The fault more lies with Toti and then Bueno for allowing time for the cross. You can guarantee if Semedo swapped roles with either of those guys for the goal, those blaming him now would be making him the main culprit again.

100%, if this had been on the other side Semedo would have been carpeted for giving the ball away or not stopping the cross

 

[Sedgers]

He's the essence of below average game after game after game. I can't wait for him to be replaced.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Why do you keep on identifying "you shouldn't lose a header to a LB" or "you shouldn't lose a header to Harry Toffolo"? None of that makes one jot of difference. It was a decent ball in, Toffolo is up early and stops Semedo jumping, looks like he hasn't headed it properly but it's gone in, it happens. As I said, it wasn't particularly bad, it's not as if he's let him run off him to get a free header or the like, but one of your first thoughts was to come on here and moan he cost us a goal. If we're going after players for losing a header we're going to be going after an awful lot of players an awful lot of the time. He arguably saved a goal in the second half with a back stick clearance and a Forest player waiting, any mention of that?

Toffolo wanted it more than Semedo, so he won it. It's that simple.

Your logic is ridiculous. You blamed Doherty earlier (rightly) when he lost the ball to Williams that nearly cost us a second goal. Was that really his fault? All he did was lose a tackle. Anyone can lose a tackle, can't they?

Do you see how daft this can get.

 

[Ned]

If Semedo lost that famous Cristiano Ronaldo header, there would be people on here complaining that he should have done better.

Not every lost header needs to be the fault of of the defender challenging. Sometimes a cross is stood up just right and allows an attacker to get a run on the ball to get above a defender. Today that happened and there wasn't a lot Semedo could do.

The fault more lies with Toti and then Bueno for allowing time for the cross. You can guarantee if Semedo swapped roles with either of those guys for the goal, those blaming him now would be making him the main culprit again.

Spot on.

Toti played a terrible pass, Bueno just stood off and watched the cross, Sa went to claim and then backed off, Semedo got beaten in the air by a bigger player who got a good leap… let’s blame Semedo.

 

[Ned]

It's hilarious how you're acting like he lost a header to Crouch.

Wiki has Semedo at 5ft10, Toffolo as 6ft. There's nothing really in it. He doesn't even have to win the header. He has to stop Toffolo winning a header. Toffolo has not scored a header in his career before today.

Listen to what you're saying, blaming someone for losing a header is 'mental'. Really?

Ok. Look, your last point shows that there’s absolutely no point in continuing a discussion with you on this.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Remember when Kilman did a **** touch and it allowed Kouyate have a 1vs1?

Imagine if people came on here and said, 'bad touch, happens to every player in every game at some point (which it does), can't blame Kilman'.

 

[Jefe]

Harry Toffolo is taller and bigger than Nelson Semedo and he had a run on him, there wasn't a great deal Semedo could have done differently unless he was breaking the laws of physics, you also may want to revisit the "didn't climb all over him" part

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Nothing embarrassing about his game today, only thing that's embarrassing is the constant witch hunt whenever we concede a goal

There's something that doesn't break the laws of physics as a defender, which you may have heard of. It's called, "Basic Positioning". If Semedo hadn't fallen victim to this type of goal many times before, you might have a point. It's as clear as the nose at the end of your face that this is an opposition tactic at this point.

 

[floydstreet]

It’s the same every week
The agenda is there clealry

Not a world beater of course, not worth £38m either but been pretty good since Lopetegui started. The goal was more down to toti bueno and sa than Semedo, but don’t let that get in the way of the agenda.

 

[Fenrir_]

There's something that doesn't break the laws of physics as a defender, which you may have heard of. It's called, "Basic Positioning". If Semedo hadn't fallen victim to this type of goal many times before, you might have a point. It's as clear as the nose at the end of your face that this is an opposition tactic at this point.

What was wrong with his positioning today?

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Why is he being attacked again??

He was ok today, not great but not bad and the best of the three wing backs who played some part in the game by a country mile, and let's not get started on how bad Toti was

Probably our second best player today after Sarabia!

 

[Perton Wolf]

Remember when Kilman did a **** touch and it allowed Kouyate have a 1vs1?

Imagine if people came on here and said, 'bad touch, happens to every player in every game at some point (which it does), can't blame Kilman'.

Not remotely comparable.

Kilman gave the ball away just outside his own box because he's too casual and thinks he has all day on the ball. Semedo lost an aerial duel to a player bigger than him.

 

[WolvesAndCows]

He was good tonight. And in the second half, when Burnley floated a cross to the far post, he didn't stay glued to the ground whilst the attacker leapt above him and glanced home. That's got to be progress

The progress didn't last long

 

[Perton Wolf]

The Semedo slander is ****ing hilarious when our fantastic English captain is both crap in the air and a carthorse with the ball at his feet.

Gets away with absolute murder because let's be honest, some of you definitely have a homegrown bias. Be it conscious or subconscious, it's true.

 

[tamwolf]

Toffolo wanted it more than Semedo, so he won it. It's that simple.

Would you jump higher with a standing start than someone with a running start? Obviously you would, because it's just about wanting it more. That's why all the high jump records were set by people without a run up. They just had to want it more.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Toffolo wanted it more than Semedo, so he won it. It's that simple.

Your logic is ridiculous. You blamed Doherty earlier (rightly) when he lost the ball to Williams that nearly cost us a second goal. Was that really his fault? All he did was lose a tackle. Anyone can lose a tackle, can't they?

Do you see how daft this can get.

He's taller and had a run on Semedo.

Do you see how daft you can get.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

He's taller and had a run on Semedo.

Do you see how daft you can get.

He. Did. Not. Have. A. Run. On. Him.

Shall I copy and paste it? Shall I write it in italics? Shall I put it in bold? Red? Blue? Bigger font?

Sorry, it's not just you, but I've said this about three times, so what do I do? Open to suggestions.

I even posted the video before, but I'll do it again.

He did not have a run on him, and saying 'he's taller' makes out like we're dealing with Peter Crouch and Jimmy Krankie. There's two inches (according to Wiki) and all Semedo has to do is stop him winning a clean header.

By your logic every taller person every single time will always win a header. Why don't we start Sasa?

 

[WolvesAndCows]

He didn't have a run on him. They were both stood at the back post. One player wanted to win the header, the other didn't.

 

[Golden Arrow]

Not remotely comparable.

Kilman gave the ball away just outside his own box because he's too casual and thinks he has all day on the ball. Semedo lost an aerial duel to a player bigger than him.

Kilman has been poor of recent, which is concerning.

 

[floydstreet]

Kilman has been poor of recent, which is concerning.

Not for me
Poor today

Thought he was good vw Burnley and been strong all season. Today he was poor, although Toti and Bueno and Gomes and Hwang struggled more maybe

 

[Bryce]

TKg???? If you mean King you do, l hope, realise that it was Bentley playing.....

The Korean Guy tkg

 

[Beaumont2112]

I thought Sa should have come and claimed the cross …or at least punched it.

In my opinion, Sa should have dealt with it given that it was in the six yard box. However, regardless of this, again in my opinion, it was not great defending from Nelson.

 

[Adrian_Monk]

Every time the opposition run down our left, Semedo should run behind the touchline, turn around then run towards the guy he's meant to be marking. Then the 'having the run on him' advantage will be lost

 

[WickedWolfie]

The Korean Guy tkg

Never seen that initialised. TY

 

[Jefe]

What was wrong with his positioning today?

I'll say the same thing I've said every time Semedo has conceded the same goal. When the cross comes in, face away from the goal. Look your man in the eye and win the header. Be prepared to take the hit in the face if necessary. Every time, he ends up facing his own goal and is unaware so he can't get the right jump.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

Much as Semedo is crap, the goal today was more down to Bueno and Toti for sure

Oh and Sa

 

[Fenrir_]

I'll say the same thing I've said every time Semedo has conceded the same goal. When the cross comes in, face away from the goal. Look your man in the eye and win the header. Be prepared to take the hit in the face if necessary. Every time, he ends up facing his own goal and is unaware so he can't get the right jump.

Don't look at the ball then?

Today's cross was played between Semedo and the goal. Seeing as you think he should be facing away from goal while at the same time he'd have to be moving towards it... I can only guess he'd have had to do some kind of moonwalk while looking into Toffolo's eyes to win the header to execute a successful defence of the situation in your eyes?

No wonder he can't convince you people

 

[sillytuna]

Semedo was one of the least bad players today really, but he's so obviously a weak link on far post headers. You have to be blinkered not to see it.

All teams will manage to get several crosses in per game, but the semedo far post goal happens again and again. Watch almost every game back - he's targeted. Been the same all his time here and undoes some of his other good work.

Wolves problem is that we haven't found a way to fix it. Thought sa was weak on that cross too today.

 

[Jefe]

Don't look at the ball then?

Today's cross was played between Semedo and the goal. Seeing as you think he should be facing away from goal while at the same time he'd have to be moving towards it... I can only guess he'd have had to do some kind of moonwalk while looking into Toffolo's eyes to win the header to execute a successful defence of the situation in your eyes?

No wonder he can't convince you people

Word salad. Watch the goal again, it's right at the start of this highlight package. Semedo's starting position on Toffolo is totally wrong to begin with, owing to laziness. He lets him steal a march. If he has strong defensive instincts, he puts himself in a position where he can face away from goal and head the ball away. Poor positioning.

 

[Fenrir_]

Semedo was one of the least bad players today really, but he's so obviously a weak link on far post headers. You have to be blinkered not to see it.

All teams will manage to get several crosses in per game, but the semedo far post goal happens again and again. Watch almost every game back - he's targeted. Been the same all his time here and undoes some of his other good work.

Wolves problem is that we haven't found a way to fix it. Thought sa was weak on that cross too today.

He does have a weakness at the back post, but today wasn't really anything to do with that, just got out jumped by a bigger player. As I said earlier, he also made a key clearance at the back post in the second half, not that it's had any attention...

 

[Timberwolf]

Never seen that initialised. TY

And then in a mix of caps and lower case. You weren’t the only only who didn’t have a ****ing scooby what he was on about.

 

[glorybox]

Semedo had a bad moment which contributed to their goal. Toti was horrendous for nearly the entire match which contributed to a generally poor performance overall.

 

[Fenrir_]

Word salad. Watch the goal again, it's right at the start of this highlight package. Semedo's starting position on Toffolo is totally wrong to begin with, owing to laziness. He lets him steal a march. If he has strong defensive instincts, he puts himself in a position where he can face away from goal and head the ball away. Poor positioning.

So Semedo has just (owing to laziness...) tracked Toffolo into the box and the ball is about to come in, where do you think he should be?

 

[Jefe]

So Semedo has just (owing to laziness...) tracked Toffolo into the box and the ball is about to come in, where do you think he should be?

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Ah, you're one of 'those guys'. Who picks a single frame out of about ten seconds of footage. Allow me:

Keep your gaze to the top of the screen. If Semedo works harder to put himself goal-side of Toffolo as they both go into the box, he can either block his run or face outwards when the ball comes in, and the goal doesn't happen. Instead, they're both level and both facing the Wolves goal when the ball is delivered, which as anyone with a defensive background will tell you, puts the defender at a disadvantage. Your cherry picking of single frames doesn't change the evidence of my eyes. And it's far from the first time that it has happened.