Semedo

Thankfully it didn't cost us today, but it's a repeat of the same goal type we have seen many times. A switched or crossed ball in from the other flank, and he is not aware of the danger on his shoulder until it's too late. It's frustrating that it's still happening. Besides that, I was encouraged by his more forward thinking play today, even if he frustratingly kept playing passes in behind the target.
 
Every time he receives the ball in an acre of space on the right I just think what's he going to do wrong now. It's the polar opposite of Doherty. Yes we'd be slightly more open with Doherty as a wingback but he's infinitely better going forward. We play with three centre backs to allow our wingbacks to get forward and contribute. Only one of them does that effectively.

I will live and die by that.
 
Skrilla said:
Every time he receives the ball in an acre of space on the right I just think what's he going to do wrong now. It's the polar opposite of Doherty. Yes we'd be slightly more open with Doherty as a wingback but he's infinitely better going forward. We play with three centre backs to allow our wingbacks to get forward and contribute. Only one of them does that effectively.

I will live and die by that.
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Different styles of player, there's no way Doherty is running with the ball up the pitch and going past players.
We'd need an out-and-out winger on his side, not an inside forward.
 
Shame to have a negative on such a good day, I'm usually here defending Semedo, but I'd love to see his pass completion rate today, so many good positions, so much room, didn't do the right thing once all game! Took the easy option nearly every time and still messed it up.
 
ombyman said:
average defender, useless crosser.....lost Johnson for their goal and has spurned several chances to deliver the ball. With a better player in his position today we could be winning this
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Having seen Doc after he replaced him Semedo all the way. Doc was bloody awful and spannered a great chance.
 
Lou Pine said:
He’s intelligent, he’s athletic, he’s skilful but good god his final ball, whether it be a cutback or cross is generally awful. I like him, I stick up for him but he frustrates the life out of me.
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Great post .
 
We need an upgrade on him unfortunately, he has the attributes as some have said but he’s pretty useless in the final third.
 
I'm one of Semedo's biggest critics but GON is definitely getting more out of him than Nuno, Lage or Loppers ever managed. He is still frustrating and a bit of a liability defensively but 500% improved in attack and better defensively than the Semedo of the last 3 seasons.
 
KBWWFC said:
Different styles of player, there's no way Doherty is running with the ball up the pitch and going past players.
We'd need an out-and-out winger on his side, not an inside forward.
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But you'd take Docherty's decision-making and considered delivery any day of the week, it's a conundrum.
The amount of times Semedo rampaged down the wing today was impressive, but the crosses or pullbacks were either the wrong choice or very inaccurate.
 
BlahBlah said:
But you'd take Docherty's decision-making and considered delivery any day of the week, it's a conundrum.
The amount of times Semedo rampaged down the wing today was impressive, but the crosses or pullbacks were either the wrong choice or very inaccurate.
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I'd agree with that but at least Semedo is now making crosses or pull backs. Up til this season whenever Semedo saw an opportunity to go forward and take someone on then he almost always decided against before turning and rolling a lame back pass to Kilman, Neves, Moutinho or Dawson etc (or even Dendonker a couple of seasons ago).

With the old ultra negative Semedo we ended up with stagnation down the right hand side and 80% of our attacks having to go down the left. We lacked creativity. So if GON has told Semedo to take players on and show more attacking intent then great even if he misplaces the final ball its still a massive improvement on the old negative but ultra safe backpassing Semedo.
 
Dingle Chris said:
I haven’t read the last couple of pages of this thread as I know it will be Semedo bashing. Not his best game today but anyone watching that game and thinking Doc is an upgrade needs their head examining.
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With spades, weird in a game where most of Spuds attacks and crosses came down our left, we bash our right back.
 
Thing is, you have to consider the impact on the opposition of constantly having to track back with an athletic, rampaging rwb.

Yeah his end product is sorely lacking most of the time, but the amount of energy his work takes out of opponents constantly having to go with him or clear his gash crosses, it has an the effect of wearing them down. This in turn leads to tiredness, gaps appearing and good chances created. Sometimes there is a big picture.

Semedo still makes errors/gets caught napping. Let’s be honest though, if he didn’t, he’d still be a Barcelona player. I do agree with those that say he is frustrating as hell at times, but I think he gets a lot of unfair stick. I think we’d be hard pushed to replace him though tbh.
 
Should be given the number 6 shirt because he's passing to dead people he's seeing out there. Absolutely honking passing yesterday.
 
He's an awful wing back. Always had been and always will be in the Premier League. His position has been crying out for an upgrade since we signed him.
 
Really harsh to blame him for the goal.

Toti made the wrong decision, Gomes didn’t get across quickly enough, RAN didn’t react to the run.

All of these were more important factors than a rapid winger stealing a small % over Semedo with a great run.

I enjoyed his efforts to at least beat him man yesterday. The ref missed a clear foul on him after he’d gone on the outside of Emerson Royal.

A couple of loose passes after the Spurs goal, but it was another solid performance.
 
TheConcourse said:
Really harsh to blame him for the goal.

Toti made the wrong decision, Gomes didn’t get across quickly enough, RAN didn’t react to the run.

All of these were more important factors than a rapid winger stealing a small % over Semedo with a great run.

I enjoyed his efforts to at least beat him man yesterday. The ref missed a clear foul on him after he’d gone on the outside of Emerson Royal.

A couple of loose passes after the Spurs goal, but it was another solid performance.
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That 'rapid winger' was able to make that run because Semedo had lost the position of the player behind him yet again, decent full back with a awareness of what is happening around him and Johnson dosn't score.
 
Willywolf said:
Thing is, you have to consider the impact on the opposition of constantly having to track back with an athletic, rampaging rwb.

Yeah his end product is sorely lacking most of the time, but the amount of energy his work takes out of opponents constantly having to go with him or clear his gash crosses, it has an the effect of wearing them down. This in turn leads to tiredness, gaps appearing and good chances created. Sometimes there is a big picture.

Semedo still makes errors/gets caught napping. Let’s be honest though, if he didn’t, he’d still be a Barcelona player. I do agree with those that say he is frustrating as hell at times, but I think he gets a lot of unfair stick. I think we’d be hard pushed to replace him though tbh.
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Hold your horses there. Spurs had clearly decided it was ok to give him space and focus on getting behind him. He has no end product whatsoever and isn't best at tracking back.

He also lost his man for the goal, something that we know is a weak point if his. Yes other defenders weren't amazing but in the end he had one job and didn't do it.

Watch the game back. When doc came in he got in two goalscoring positions, and only excellent defending stopped a tap-in. Yes he looks less fit than he used to and his defending isn't great (semedo far better one on one) but his football intelligence (and heading) is light years ahead of semedo.

Put simply, doc is (or was) more effective where it matters.

Yesterday's passing mess could be explained if he was carrying an injury though. He's a talented footballer who can't cross, but his passing isn't normally that bad. It's also good to see him trying to attack - and he does need more support in the box to aim at.

Improvements can still happen.
 
sillytuna said:
Hold your horses there. Spurs had clearly decided it was ok to give him space and focus on getting behind him. He has no end product whatsoever and isn't best at tracking back.

He also lost his man for the goal, something that we know is a weak point if his. Yes other defenders weren't amazing but in the end he had one job and didn't do it.

Watch the game back. When doc came in he got in two goalscoring positions, and only excellent defending stopped a tap-in. Yes he looks less fit than he used to and his defending isn't great (semedo far better one on one) but his football intelligence (and heading) is light years ahead of semedo.

Put simply, doc is (or was) more effective where it matters.

Yesterday's passing mess could be explained if he was carrying an injury though. He's a talented footballer who can't cross, but his passing isn't normally that bad. It's also good to see him trying to attack - and he does need more support in the box to aim at.

Improvements can still happen.
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Winning goal against City came from a Semedo run and cross, iirc.
 
wolvesjoe said:
Winning goal against City came from a Semedo run and cross, iirc.
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Count semedo's successful attacks vs doc's previously. You can't just pick one. Semedo's been thoroughly unproductive in attack, whatever you think if him. He is extremely wasteful - rarely creating chances for others.

However, the more games he plays an attacking role then maybe his decision making and delivery will improve.
 
Defensively he is fine, the odd brain fart. Yesterday it's harsh to soley blame him for the goal, multiple errors by all our defenders on that one, it was a good run by Johnson and Semedo almost got to him.
Offensively I think he's improved a lot this season (GONs influence). Doesn't turn back so often and at least tries to be progressive, yesterday unfortunately his passing was terrible and rightly subbed, Doc is better in forward positions and Spurs had pretty much stopped trying to attack, plus Johnson had gone off. I'm not writing him off yet.
 
1v1 I can only think of Mitoma getting the better of Semedo. Needs to be horses for courses though depending on the opposition as Doherty is much better attacking
 
Do we have any other decent right backs coming through?
 
St. Lukes Reserves said:
That 'rapid winger' was able to make that run because Semedo had lost the position of the player behind him yet again, decent full back with a awareness of what is happening around him and Johnson dosn't score.
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The attacker always has an advantage in those moments, because they control the movement. Semedo in is a reactive state.

Interesting that you ignored the other phases of play.
 
Everyone pining for Doherty will need to make a decision on what they want to see.

Doherty picks up great central positions when we’re in possession, but is nowhere near as effective at getting us up the pitch or 1v1.

In the same way it’s impossible to draw a comparison between Cunha or Sasa as the #9, whichever RB you pick you’re going to gain something or lose something.
 
thommo1984 said:
Are you kidding? He hasn’t improved at all. Makes the wrong decision every single time, or executes the simplest pass/cross incredibly badly.

Given the time and space he had today his output was woeful, Sunday league territory.
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500% improved because he now does get involved in attacking whereas previously he took the soft option of backpassing. His attacking intent caused a degree of chaos in the Spurs defence just by running at them and taking them on even if his final ball was lacking. If he carries on doing that then goals will come from his more positive intent. Goals never came from his endless supposedly safe backpassing.


How many times over the last 2 or 3 seasons have we seen Wolves backpassing from positions high up the pitch all the way back to Sa only for Sa to boot it long and lose possession? I'd rather us lose the ball by having a go than by always playing overly safe passes.
 
TheConcourse said:
The attacker always has an advantage in those moments, because they control the movement. Semedo in is a reactive state.

Interesting that you ignored the other phases of play.
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Firstly the attacker dosn't always have the advantage, good defenders will always seek to take that off them and will quite often succeed, as for Semedo being in a reactive state that is hilarious, he couldn't react to Johnson's movement because he hadn't got a ****ing clue where he was, a decent defender would have been constantly glancing across to see where the player was and had his body shape set to deal with the situation.
 
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