Sasa Kalajdzic

[wolfslair]

I think a maths tutor would tell you that you're confusing "previously he has missed more games than he was fit for", with "he's more likely to be injured than fit in future".

Also, given he's missed 78 games through injury going back to 2017/18 season (according to Transfermarkt), and played 94 games in that time, neither is true anyway.

You are correct, I did put the wrong thing but don’t have edit…..

So he has missed nearly as many games as he has played and missed 45.65% of games.

That kind of % range shows this was completely the wrong guy to hang our hat on and rely on to remain fit in the most physically demanding league in the world, without signing an extra striker as cover for him.

Meaning it is nearly a toss of a coin every week that a £15m signing is going to be fit.

Who ever signed this off is a total idiot!!

The speed from medical to severe injury is leaving massive questions to be asked when coupled with their massive swing and a miss with Sanches and his return timetable last season.

 

[wolfslair]

The time period from signing to injury suggests something should have been picked up.

People banging on about his injury record seem to forget he’s had a metatarsal fracture and a dislocated shoulder as his other significant injuries. It’s not like Jonny coming back for a month and doing it again. He did his ACL in 19/20. We could have decided that due to his bad luck with injuries we wouldn’t sign him. I prefer the robust medical approach which should have picked up any underlying weakness with the knee.

We also don’t know how bad it is, he may be out for weeks, months or the season. Until the scan and specialist say we don’t know. I don’t expect to see him this side of Xmas and maybe not this season but I and other could be wrong.

But the number of severe injuries across his body in different areas would suggest while immensely talented like he is, he doesn’t have the physiological resilience needed to be an elite sports man in the prem.

It is so cruel when the body doesn’t allow the talented person to fulfil their fullest potential, but it is why sport is a cruel and fickle mistress!!

He looks likely to be one of those people based on his injury record for someone so young.

 

[Rauls Headband]

Feel really bad for Sasa.

Its easy to point to his 'injury record' but many players now have an injury history, and its actually a testament to the progress in sports science and injury management and recovery that players now come back and continue playing at the top level after experiencing injuries that only 20 years ago would have been career ending, so the number of players with a 'history' are always going to increase. Should that mean we pass them over just because they do?

Personally I don't see this as nothing more than just crappy bad luck, just the same as Chiquinho's. Thats the cherry cake syndrome!

Its ironically positive though, that for Sasa, he potentially joined the right club to help him get through this injury, and I'm sure Jonny and Chiquinho will be there to help him and support him through his treatment and recovery, which I hope will be as quick as possible and look forward to seeing him in a Wolves shirt fitter and stronger than when he arrived (and hopefully bang in more than a few goals as a return for the club that's now going to look after him).

 

[OLDGOLD]

Best of luck in your recovery Sasa.

There's a reason why 6ft 7in footballers are scarce...an endurance and aerobatic sport with limited substitutions just doesn't suit humans of such stature. There was nothing in the incident yesterday - no contact and a perfect surface, purely an injury caused by his own knee not being able to handle the downforce from the landing of the jump, pretty ominous signs as building up knee strength with his body type is a major task in itself.

6ft 7 footballers are scarce, but basketball players are not. It would be interesting to know their injury stats. Lots of them have, or historically had Marfans syndrome which may also skew injury data as it is a connection time tissue disorder. Even without the disorder the more ectomorphic body type tends to have less...robustness ...

 

[Sussex Wolf]

6ft 7 footballers are scarce, but basketball players are not. It would be interesting to know their injury stats. Lots of them have, or historically had Marfans syndrome which may also skew injury data as it is a connection time tissue disorder. Even without the disorder the more ectomorphic body type tends to have less...robustness ...

If he had Marfans it would be fairly obvious from his appearance.

 

[Longford Wolf]

As much as it’s a shame to lose Sasa, is it really a disaster?
By that I mean, he’s only played 45 mins, we don’t know if he was going to be the answer to our lack of goals, or if he was going to contribute anything worthwhile.
If Sasa had played 5 games and scored 3 goals, linked up play and looked a superstar then his injury would have been a disaster.
You can’t miss what you’ve never had.
All the best young man wishing you a speedy recovery.

 

[JonahWolf]

If he had Marfans it would be fairly obvious from his appearance.

Being as connective tissue disorders present very differently on an individual basis, how exactly would it be obvious? He has long, thin limbs.

@OLDGOLD’s comment intrigued me, as it has been vaguely decided I have some form of connective tissue disorder. They can’t figure out which one and isn’t directly killing me yet so that’s the end of it.
Just to cloud it further, I’m not tall either. But my legs and arms are more proportionate to someone 3-4 inches taller.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

I've seen a couple of Chelsea fans say they'd have him back in a heartbeat, because they thought his 'fighting spirit' went through the squad/was a positive influence - and they lack that now.

He's certainly a talent and he does possess "qualities", I'm actually a little excited, but the same sort of excited as if I were going skydiving. It could be fun or my entrails will explode from my body on impact.

 

[Bill S Preston Esq.]

As much as it’s a shame to lose Sasa, is it really a disaster?
By that I mean, he’s only played 45 mins, we don’t know if he was going to be the answer to our lack of goals, or if he was going to contribute anything worthwhile.
If Sasa had played 5 games and scored 3 goals, linked up play and looked a superstar then his injury would have been a disaster.
You can’t miss what you’ve never had.
All the best young man wishing you a speedy recovery.

It is a disaster. £15M wasted.

 

[SA Wolf]

6ft 7 footballers are scarce, but basketball players are not. It would be interesting to know their injury stats. Lots of them have, or historically had Marfans syndrome which may also skew injury data as it is a connection time tissue disorder. Even without the disorder the more ectomorphic body type tends to have less...robustness ...

A 17 year study of NBA players found that "True ligamentous injuries of the knee were surprisingly rare".

See conclusion (below).

Injury in the National Basketball Association: A 17-Year Overview

Injury patterns in elite athletes over long periods continue to evolve. The goal of this study was to review of the injuries and medical conditions afflicting athletes competing in the National Basketball Association (NBA) over a 17-year period.Descriptive ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[OLDGOLD]

If he had Marfans it would be fairly obvious from his appearance.

Not always obvious just on appearance, but being 6 ft 7 is an initial clue before considering joint hypermobility etc...

 

[hollo]

He would have spoken about what he was told by the medical team.

So actually questions need to be asked of said medical team.

Serious questions and an investigation. Both medical and recruitment team need to answer questions.

 

[OLDGOLD]

A 17 year study of NBA players found that "True ligamentous injuries of the knee were surprisingly rare".

See conclusion (below).

Injury in the National Basketball Association: A 17-Year Overview

Injury patterns in elite athletes over long periods continue to evolve. The goal of this study was to review of the injuries and medical conditions afflicting athletes competing in the National Basketball Association (NBA) over a 17-year period.Descriptive ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Interesting, thanks.

 

[wolfslair]

A 17 year study of NBA players found that "True ligamentous injuries of the knee were surprisingly rare".

See conclusion (below).

Injury in the National Basketball Association: A 17-Year Overview

Injury patterns in elite athletes over long periods continue to evolve. The goal of this study was to review of the injuries and medical conditions afflicting athletes competing in the National Basketball Association (NBA) over a 17-year period.Descriptive ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The medical teams and healthcare provisions are top notch in the NBA.

Also the players are conditioned like elite athletes in a far bigger way than we do for any sport here from high school.

 

[wolfslair]

Serious questions and an investigation. Both medical and recruitment team need to answer questions.

Oh god yeah!

 

[OLDGOLD]

Being as connective tissue disorders present very differently on an individual basis, how exactly would it be obvious? He has long, thin limbs.

@OLDGOLD’s comment intrigued me, as it has been vaguely decided I have some form of connective tissue disorder. They can’t figure out which one and isn’t directly killing me yet so that’s the end of it.
Just to cloud it further, I’m not tall either. But my legs and arms are more proportionate to someone 3-4 inches taller.

It would not necessarily be obvious, but statistically connective tissue disorders are often associated with being tall. Other connective tissue disorders like Ehlers Danloss, from my recollection are not so associated with height. And like so any things, it is a sliding scale, within the normal population there are widely differing degrees of mobility. I am no clinical geneticist, so cannot shed further light on it. My knowledge is peripheral re looking at connective tissue abnormalities in blood vessels, which can be dilated with certain disorders.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Not always obvious just on appearance, but being 6 ft 7 is an initial clue before considering joint hypermobility etc...

I know, and I agree it’s not always that obvious without examination. My point was really it’s less the height more the build to look at. He doesn’t appear especially lanky for instance. I haven’t really looked closely but I didn’t get the impression his arms or fingers were especially long either. Obviously if he’s examined it would be easier to look for hyper mobility in his fingers, and something unusual in scans.

I don’t have Marfans but I am familiar with connective tissue disorders.

 

[Polish Wolf]

It would not necessarily be obvious, but statistically connective tissue disorders are often associated with being tall. Other connective tissue disorders like Ehlers Danloss, from my recollection are not so associated with height. And like so any things, it is a sliding scale, within the normal population there are widely differing degrees of mobility. I am no clinical geneticist, so cannot shed further light on it. My knowledge is peripheral re looking at connective tissue abnormalities in blood vessels, which can be dilated with certain disorders.

Not necessarily a proof but the length of the limb has got a direct effect on the forces applied to the knee (physics).

Also, my doctor told me that although a reconstruction of ACL is not really necessary in case of an ordinary lifestyle, over 180cm of height is one of the factors in favour of doing it as the knee must sustain considerable forces.

 

[TheTwoPigeons]

If there's one tiny silver lining, we're pretty good at ACL injury recovery!

So maybe when he does come back he'll be over the recurring issue like with Jonny.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Being as connective tissue disorders present very differently on an individual basis, how exactly would it be obvious? He has long, thin limbs.

@OLDGOLD’s comment intrigued me, as it has been vaguely decided I have some form of connective tissue disorder. They can’t figure out which one and isn’t directly killing me yet so that’s the end of it.
Just to cloud it further, I’m not tall either. But my legs and arms are more proportionate to someone 3-4 inches taller.

That’s sort of the point I was trying to make. It’s less the height which is a giveaway, more the proportion of limbs. Long legs, fingers, etc. If he is especially flexible, such as being able to bend his fingers backwards to his wrist, then that might be another sign.

 

[WickedWolfie]

If there's one tiny silver lining, we're pretty good at ACL injury recovery!

So maybe when he does come back he'll be over the recurring issue like with Jonny.

We've had enough bloody practice lately, sadly.

 

[BrierleyHillWolves]

The fact he got such a serious injury on he's debut must show that he was either not match fit or simply not ready to play a professional game of football.

We've just spunked 15m up the wall after getting rid of the last player we spunked 15m on

It's absolutely shocking

 

[AndyWolves]

The fact he got such a serious injury on he's debut must show that he was either not match fit or simply not ready to play a professional game of football.

We've just spunked 15m up the wall after getting rid of the last player we spunked 15m on

It's absolutely shocking

How many games had he already played for Stuttgart this season? I'll give you a clue, it's not zero....

Also, what's the link between ACL injuries and match fitness?

 

[BrierleyHillWolves]

How many games had he already played for Stuttgart this season? I'll give you a clue, it's not zero....

Also, what's the link between ACL injuries and match fitness?

Stuff like this happening isn't just a bad coincidence

 

[KBWWFC]

The fact he got such a serious injury on he's debut must show that he was either not match fit or simply not ready to play a professional game of football.

He's played 3 games in the bundesliga already this season, coming off a full preseason.

 

[AndyWolves]

Stuff like this happening isn't just a bad coincidence

maybe not, but saying he's not match fit or wasn't ready to play a professional game after a full pre-season and 3 league games with stuttgart is ridiculous

From what i understand ACL injuries don't relate to fitness

 

[Streathamwolf]

Get over yourself.. The chap has a history of injury. he was very cheap for a striker. Our recruitment team are responsible for buying yet another sick note. Add him to the list of previous. I now hear we are looking at Costa ???
Just how low can we go before we fall.. Clown World

Yet another sick note? When was the last one? Get a grip ffs.

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

It is a disaster. £15M wasted.

ACLs are recoverable from, especially for a player who doesn't rely on pace. He has form for fighting back from injuries, how about just support him and not writing him off?

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

The fact he got such a serious injury on he's debut must show that he was either not match fit or simply not ready to play a professional game of football.

We've just spunked 15m up the wall after getting rid of the last player we spunked 15m on

It's absolutely shocking

Might be the dumbest thing I've read for some time. Olympic athletes literally get injured doing their sports, it happens at elite level sport.

 

[Longford Wolf]

It is a disaster. £15M wasted.

It’s not your money. I’m on about a playing perspective.

 

[Brockmoorwolf]

I c

I can think of dozens. Whats diego costa up to. Short term fix, will score goals. Will bully defenders.

I called this ages ago and got ridiculed for it, just what we need imo

 

[Northampton_wolf]

Not ruptured but a full tear..

he ran on it for 10 mins after he did it aswell.. not good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1566756376520626177

going to be a jonny 6 to 9 months

 

[hollo]

The fact he got such a serious injury on he's debut must show that he was either not match fit or simply not ready to play a professional game of football.

We've just spunked 15m up the wall after getting rid of the last player we spunked 15m on

It's absolutely shocking

I hold sellars accountable as he would have known about sasa's injury record.

 

[BrierleyHillWolves]

Might be the dumbest thing I've read for some time. Olympic athletes literally get injured doing their sports, it happens at elite level sport.

id say your the dumb one , i guess we were just really unlucky, poor us

 

[Bill McCai]

He started 3 times for his previous club this season.

 

[sheffwolf]

Not ruptured but a full tear..

Rupture literally means a complete tear

 

[JOSWolf]

If you give medicals to pro footballers then I bow to your better judgement, however i am guessing your not. Therefore your option is irrelevant...

His injury record would have set alarm bells ringing for me if I was in charge of recruitment. Not saying I have any clue of player recruitment but using logic and common sense if I had been presented with his injury record I would have been saying move onto Batshuayi or someone else.
Both Bayern and Dortmund turned down moves for him due to his injury record.

 

[AndyWolves]

His injury record would have set alarm bells ringing for me if I was in charge of recruitment. Not saying I have any clue of player recruitment but using logic and common sense if I had been presented with his injury record I would have been saying move onto Batshuayi or someone else.
Both Bayern and Dortmund turned down moves for him due to his injury record.

I think you're right Jos, although I wonder why we aren't counting on Jimenez. If we aren't able to rely on him we should have sold him and got in someone else, for exactly this scenario.

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

I hold sellars accountable as he would have known about sasa's injury record.

He’s had an ACL injury 3 years ago. Plenty of players have done their ACL and gone on and played without any further problems. If anyone is at fault it’s the medical team for not picking up any issues (if there were any) 3 days before he did it.

Blaming Sellars is stretching it a bit. Also it’s a committee approach, so the recruitment team identify the player(s) and then the committee which includes Bruno and Jeff as well as Sellars decide whether to progress. Now if Sellars refused to name the player until they were in the meeting, his his injury record, took the phones off Bruno and Jeff and anyone else and forced them to make a decision there and then on minimal data then there might be a case.

 

[Jamwolf]

Not the greatest feather in the cap of our physios for sending him back on the pitch.