Refs should view controversial first half events at HT

[Barnet Wolves]

Watching the Newcastle Everton game, Pa$$$$ Cisse has attempted to elbow Coleman twice, catching him square on the jaw on his third attempt, ref missed it.

Why should the ref wait to view the incident after the match is done, surely the ref ought to be able to view video evidence at HT and award a red card at that time as opposed to a post-match retro-active red.

 

[SouthwesternWolf]

So our goal would have been ruled out for offside on 45 minutes today then?

Theres something to be said for the fourth official having immediate access to a tv screen view, but not going back at HT

 

[RosehillWolf]

When officials get the basics wrong there's littke point in TV reviews. Today Dicko was given offside from a dead ball goal kick. How can something so basic be wrongly applied.

 

[mexy]

When officials get the basics wrong there's littke point in TV reviews. Today Dicko was given offside from a dead ball goal kick. How can something so basic be wrongly applied.

agreed a basic law of the game and they got it wrong,i can see how they might miss incidents and make mistakes but that was shocking at this level.

 

[Deleted at own request (WeAreTheWolves)]

It could influence them second half, to even things up.

No from me.

 

[Jonzy54]

Allow retrospective action to be taken.Do not hide behind saying the ref saw it so they cannot act on it-did he see what actually happened?.Don't hide behind a yellow not being upgraded to a red.Take on the diving cheats retrospectively.Nail those players who eff and blind at referees.Take concerted action against shirt pulling from set pieces.Take action against players who wave imaginary cards.The game is awash with money and air travel means that referees could and should imterchange across all top divisions which would prevent the old pals act.
Equally it cuts both ways that if a referee has had a shocker and has been demonstrated that he got decisions wrong on a matter of law he should be suspended and not demoted to still allow him to officiate in lower leagues.
The game could regulate itself in an instant but there is no desire so the self protectionism and familiarity continues ad infinitum.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

How did they get the offside from a goal kick wrong today Jonzy? The linesman flagged and the ref gave the decision, two officials who can't follow a basic law. What should he have done when our players pointed this out and he surely must have realised his mistake?

PS OP - ridiculous idea.

 

[Jonzy54]

How did they get the offside from a goal kick wrong today Jonzy? The linesman flagged and the ref gave the decision, two officials who can't follow a basic law. What should he have done when our players pointed this out and he surely must have realised his mistake?

PS OP - ridiculous idea.

It was totally wrong.I can only presume he thought Ikeme's kick was either a free kick or the ball was already in play.
Not excusing it just putting it out there.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

How did they get the offside from a goal kick wrong today Jonzy? The linesman flagged and the ref gave the decision, two officials who can't follow a basic law. What should he have done when our players pointed this out and he surely must have realised his mistake?

PS OP - ridiculous idea.

Trying to atone for giving our goal which I believe was about 3 yds offside???!!!!!

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Trying to atone for giving our goal which I believe was about 3 yds offside???!!!!!

Atone in advance? Glad we got away with one today after some recent decisions. Actually thought the ref was OK today, not good but not awful, no argument with the red, maybe they all look better since Mike Jones?

 

[Jonzy54]

Trying to atone for giving our goal which I believe was about 3 yds offside???!!!!!

Are you Warburton?I froze the pic on SSN and it was marginal but 3yards? Yeah right.

 

[BlahBlah]

Watching the Newcastle Everton game, Pa$$$$ Cisse has attempted to elbow Coleman twice, catching him square on the jaw on his third attempt, ref missed it.

Why should the ref wait to view the incident after the match is done, surely the ref ought to be able to view video evidence at HT and award a red card at that time as opposed to a post-match retro-active red.

That would be too sensible.

Similarly, giving a yellow card to a player for something that's later been seen as a dangerous red card offence.
Because the referee "dealt with it" at the time they can't change the decision. But if they didn't deal with it at all, they can take action post-game? What sort of logic is that?

Watching rugby league where the ref can see something's happened but didn't see everything so might make a mistake, he can put players "on report", which means he's passing adjudication to a post-game TV review panel of experts.
They sit on a Monday and either issue instant suspensions, or clear players.
Either way, it serves as a warning to players that they can be dealt with post-game and the TV coverage picks up everything, so if you're tempted to smack someone off the ball then don't.
It means the game isn't spoiled at the time by unbalancing the numbers, or making a dreadful mistake that could cost a team the game (ala Wolves and Van La Parra).

No game is perfect but watching football recently and seeing what players get away with, the rules in general just seem too loose and unaccountable compared to other sports. It's as if they want to retain a sense of injustice in the game rather than get decisions right.

 

[Jonzy54]

That would be too sensible.

Similarly, giving a yellow card to a player for something that's later been seen as a dangerous red card offence.
Because the referee "dealt with it" at the time they can't change the decision. But if they didn't deal with it at all, they can take action post-game? What sort of logic is that?

Watching rugby league where the ref can see something's happened but didn't see everything so might make a mistake, he can put players "on report", which means he's passing adjudication to a post-game TV review panel of experts.
They sit on a Monday and either issue instant suspensions, or clear players.
Either way, it serves as a warning to players that they can be dealt with post-game and the TV coverage picks up everything, so if you're tempted to smack someone off the ball then don't.
It means the game isn't spoiled at the time by unbalancing the numbers, or making a dreadful mistake that could cost a team the game (ala Wolves and Van La Parra).

No game is perfect but watching football recently and seeing what players get away with, the rules in general just seem too loose and unaccountable compared to other sports. It's as if they want to retain a sense of injustice in the game rather than get decisions right.

Don't forget Lampard's tackle on Hammill in the PL which should have been a red but Walton bottled it and then he popped up to score the winner.Agree with your comments.See what I said earlier too.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

If refs were to start reviewing first half incidents it would be no time before we have video refs checking every decision. Obviously some would prefer that, but I can't see the point in a halfway house.

 

[Barnet Wolves]

If refs were to start reviewing first half incidents it would be no time before we have video refs checking every decision. Obviously some would prefer that, but I can't see the point in a halfway house.

They said that for years to justify not having goal line cameras. Video reviews work really well over here in US sports, doesn't really interrupt the flow of the game. I imagine this will be implemented in football in the next 10 years and becomes an accepted part of the game.

The justification being it's unfair to compound an error just because the ref didn't see a red card incident.

Funny that Pa$$$$ Cisse's name gets swear filtered.

 

[WS10Wolf]

It's going to be difficult to find something that helps referees, but at the same time doesn't take away any of their authority. You don't want a situation where you're reliant on a piece of technology, because everyone knows technology goes wrong. Even the goal line technology, as great as it, still needs the referee there to make the decision. The review system in Cricket works really well because it has eradicated the "howler", where the Umpire has missed something obvious, but for marginal decisions the technology sticks with the original decision.

 

[RJs Tankard]

I don't agree with watching the decisions at half time - as someone else said, if they realise they've made a mistake, then it could result in them trying to balance things out second half. Unlikely - but it could happen.

They also need half time to clear their heads too - going into the second half refreshed. If they're bogged down through half time, it could affect their second half.

Personally, I just think that referees should be held to account more.

It's compulsory that all games are recorded - so the footage is there to monitor every referee. Sure, mistakes happen - it's one of those things - but when there are games where refs have had a shocker - such as our match a couple of weeks ago - then those referees should be hauled into a meeting, asked to explain their actions - and then banned for a few weeks or demoted to fourth official for a while.

At the moment, there is too much standing by referees - they make shocking decisions that can affect the outcome of a match - yet a manager can't say a bad word about them (even when that manager is often spot on) otherwise they get a fine. The clubs get affected - yet the FA stand by their refs and they're out refereeing again the following week as if nothing happened.

One bad refereeing decision could be the difference between a club being relegated or not at the end of the season - and with so much money in the game, that could be make or break for some clubs.

Refs need to be held to account for really shocking games or a number of mistakes happening on a regular basis.

There have been two games I've seen this season where the decisions have been so bad, and happened so many times in one game, it's actually made me think whether I'm witnessing something dodgy going on - and one of those games involved us recently. Yet those refs were allowed to just continue as normal. Staggering!

 

[Bondi Wolf]

Video refereeing of decisions is inevitable. They should just get on with it. The game has become a load of corrupt toss.

 

[Jonzy54]

I keep banging the drum that the 'elite '(laughable in many cases) should interchange with their European counterparts.They are almost too aloof ,too protected and too pally pally.There are some good Refs in the FL yet mostly whatever they do will always ply their trade there.
It is an old pals act where your face and certainly job profile has to fit.As an example a FL ref I know was highlighted under his job job profile as a Garbologist which to you and I is a Refuse Collector and was given this grandiose title to use.Says it all really.
Mike Riley is an elitist who will suppress individualism and in my view wouldn't recognise a good referee if he fell over him because he was a rubbish referee himself.He is surrounded by boot licking lackeys who just toe the party line or are out and we think Blatter is the only one.
Refs have got fitter,they are paid better but our standards have continued to go down hill for years .

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Fourth official should have a tv with correct decision and say it to the ref. by the time the ayers have stopped moaning, the issue will be correctly resolved anyway.

 

[Jonzy54]

Fourth official should have a tv with correct decision and say it to the ref. by the time the ayers have stopped moaning, the issue will be correctly resolved anyway.

The problem is where would his screen be?Clubs aren't allied to have a screen in or around tunnel .Officials/coaches and even players would be clamouring to view the incident in that area.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Video refereeing of decisions is inevitable. They should just get on with it. The game has become a load of corrupt toss.

This for me too

It is well over time to move down the Rugby route.....we need a seperate video ref who can advise the ref on the pitch. The video can be in a seperate booth...

Check goals are correct, check unclear book able offences, check diving, etc

It is time, the ref has no chance to be fair to the ref.....

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

The problem is where would his screen be?Clubs aren't allied to have a screen in or around tunnel .Officials/coaches and even players would be clamouring to view the incident in that area.

In his own little area. Put a couple of stewards around it and ban managers or players that try and go near it. Simple

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

We have a suitable area already.....there is a booth to the right of the South Bank as you look at the pitch....the old TV booth....stick the video Ref in there....Safe, secure from interference, can review in peace and give judgement

If we had a couple of video screens.....he can even show his judgement

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

We have a suitable area already.....there is a booth to the right of the South Bank as you look at the pitch....the old TV booth....stick the video Ref in there....Safe, secure from interference, can review in peace and give judgement

If we had a couple of video screens.....he can even show his judgement

There's actually a booth at the back of the South Bank too, perfect, especially if they took the glass out of the front and let the fans have some input

Seriously though how many times do you see pundits arguing about whether decisions are correct even after slow motion replays. It would be like cricket LBW without Hawkeye, some stupid decisions would get overturned, but sometimes it is still a matter of opinion.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

There's actually a booth at the back of the South Bank too, perfect, especially if they took the glass out of the front and let the fans have some input

Seriously though how many times do you see pundits arguing about whether decisions are correct even after slow motion replays. It would be like cricket LBW without Hawkeye, some stupid decisions would get overturned, but sometimes it is still a matter of opinion.

That booth is for police control......I think

 

[Jonzy54]

In his own little area. Put a couple of stewards around it and ban managers or players that try and go near it. Simple

It would only work as in rugby if he was away from the playing area and not just in the immediate area because we all know how people react in the heat of the moment

 

[OLDGOLD]

With modern technology it could be done in the Stile with a pint in your hand!

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

That booth is for police control......I think

Yes it is - vital I'm sure.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Yes it is - vital I'm sure.

It is when silly buggers are fighting in our end

 

[Tufts back]

There is something they do in my work place and others do it apparently. Maybe the refs association should try it , the cue ins in the title , but basically it works like this . You don't do your job you get no pay rise, then eventually the sack if your a total Mike Jones. It's called performance management. Maybe the fa/ ref association need to get their hr department to look at their dated policy's which allows inadequate performers to retain their job.