Our Academy

[hollo]

Do we get loan fees for cundle and hodge?

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Unfortunately you’re wrong on this one. The Academy costs approximately £3 million a season. In the last 2 seasons we’ve sold £50 million of players who are academy products.

The next lot of Hodge and Cundle who are undoubtedly surplus to requirements will generate a couple of million a piece and so on and so on. It operates to produce income and give the next generation a foot up on the hope of making. Chiwome is a prime example, would he have come here at 16 with no academy? Absolutely not.

Re Brentford, if their way is better who have they got in the first team that came through?

You can add to our list Hugo Bueno and Kilman, both of whom didn’t sign for us as school boys but did play academy level for us? There’s probably £40 million of value in them

I think your point about the academy attracting young talent to come to Wolves is a really good one. MGW is pretty much a one-off tbh and it may be some time before another young player of his quality comes along.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I think your point about the academy attracting young talent to come to Wolves is a really good one. MGW is pretty much a one-off tbh and it may be some time before another young player of his quality comes along.

Big profit on MGW
Big Profit on Giles
Big profit on Sanderson
Big profit on Ottasowie
2 first team regulars in Max and H Bueno
Looking likely a big profit on Mosquera (or he comes back into the squad)

All the above in less than 5 seasons. There’s lots to bash the club for, the Academy is absolutely not one of them.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Big profit on MGW
Big Profit on Giles
Big profit on Sanderson
Big profit on Ottasowie
2 first team regulars in Max and H Bueno
Looking likely a big profit on Mosquera (or he comes back into the squad)

All the above in less than 5 seasons. There’s lots to bash the club for, the Academy is absolutely not one of them.

Profitability is what we want and that’s what we are getting

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Profitability is what we want and that’s what we are getting

It’s also the optics it presents to the parents of prospective signings, it’s a snowball effect as the more we can show our kids end up playing professionally either here or elsewhere the more that want to join.

 

[glorybox]

Morgan wasn’t exactly treated well at the end of Nuno’s tenure….. calling him back from a loan where he was happy to essentially sit on the bench wasn’t good.

We have our part to play as a club in why he didn’t want to stay.

Nah he's a ****.

 

[wolfslair]

Nah he's a ****.

Hmmmm not sure i can tell if you like him or not

Hahahaha

 

[Norman Bell]

Do we get loan fees for cundle and hodge?

Plymouth were not at all impressed when they thought they had Luke Cundle for the season but Wolves recalled him and sent him to Stoke as they were willing to stump up a bigger fee than Argyle were paying.

 

[giantwolf]

Big profit on MGW
Big Profit on Giles
Big profit on Sanderson
Big profit on Ottasowie
2 first team regulars in Max and H Bueno
Looking likely a big profit on Mosquera (or he comes back into the squad)

All the above in less than 5 seasons. There’s lots to bash the club for, the Academy is absolutely not one of them.

I personally don't include Max Kilman in anything I talk about from an academy stats POV and I certainly wouldn't include Yerson, but thats not to take away from your point, which I agree with.

The arguments mentioned by posters in earlier messages could absolutely be true in the barren years post Keane/Lescott - up to Fosun, but things are different now. Its taken a few years to build as per my previous messages, but its slowly getting there.

We will always be second fiddle to the big boys though.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Brentford to reopen academy after Premier League rule change

Brentford will reopen their academy after Premier League clubs voted through a rule that dictates every member must operate one by the start of the 2024-25 season

www.theguardian.com

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I personally don't include Max Kilman in anything I talk about from an academy stats POV and I certainly wouldn't include Yerson, but thats not to take away from your point, which I agree with.

The arguments mentioned by posters in earlier messages could absolutely be true in the barren years post Keane/Lescott - up to Fosun, but things are different now. Its taken a few years to build as per my previous messages, but its slowly getting there.

We will always be second fiddle to the big boys though.

I’d personally put in Max and Yerson as they both played Age level football even if it was in the under 23s rather than the teenage groups, purely on the basis that it includes the under 23s as part of its role.

Even the barren years it served its purpose, plays like Batth, ikeme & Price played a lot of games for the senior team. Then chuck in the likes of Clarke, Little, Ebanks-Landell, Iorfa all had decent careers elsewhere.

Totally agree with how Fosun have progressed it , also agree it takes time to see that come to fruition. For me since Fosun came every year the next age group that move up are looking better than the previous crop. That’s down to good recruitment, good scouting and good coaching. I know a local independent scout and a local agent who specialises in working with youth players and both wax lyrical about what Fosun have done and more importantly the staff we’ve brought in since they came here.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

The spotlight is only on the academy because of the mismanagement of the first-team.

It should be viewed as a money-making scheme, and a bonus if we produce a player to impact the squad.

It delivers on that front emphatically well, but it's natural to be a bit frustrated that we don't have any genuine top talents, but it wouldn't be mentioned if we weren't relying on them.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

The spotlight is only on the academy because of the mismanagement of the first-team.

It should be viewed as a money-making scheme, and a bonus if we produce a player to impact the squad.

It delivers on that front emphatically well, but it's natural to be a bit frustrated that we don't have any genuine top talents, but it wouldn't be mentioned if we weren't relying on them.

Christ that’s twice I’ve agreed with you in one day, I’m going for a lie down

 

[giantwolf]

I’d personally put in Max and Yerson as they both played Age level football even if it was in the under 23s rather than the teenage groups, purely on the basis that it includes the under 23s as part of its role.

Even the barren years it served its purpose, plays like Batth, ikeme & Price played a lot of games for the senior team. Then chuck in the likes of Clarke, Little, Ebanks-Landell, Iorfa all had decent careers elsewhere.

Totally agree with how Fosun have progressed it , also agree it takes time to see that come to fruition. For me since Fosun came every year the next age group that move up are looking better than the previous crop. That’s down to good recruitment, good scouting and good coaching. I know a local independent scout and a local agent who specialises in working with youth players and both wax lyrical about what Fosun have done and more importantly the staff we’ve brought in since they came here.

Yep, my reference to barren years were based on the eyes other posters with lower level "star names", forgetting where we were and how "attractive" we would have been. The list of players who have left our academy over the last 10-12 years who are currently with league clubs isn't short.

 

[Monketron]

Bloody hell, I forgot about MGW in my opening thread and never gave him a mention!

He was so so with us and was given plenty of chances to be a regular starter, but was so inconsistent.

I suppose the 40 odd million we got for him was good business. He’s doing ok for Forest, but again he is inconsistent. Touted to be selected for the England squad earlier this season, but that’s a bit OTT imo.

Let’s see how gets on against Super Mario and The Pitbull on Saturday. No doubt he will try to wind up a few people, including our fans.

The problem MGW had was that Nuno was so rigid in his 3-4-3 system at the time. He didn't really have the pace for one of the wide forwards and wasn't strong enough to be one of the 2 midfielders.

He was always suited best to that no10 (where he excelled in his Sheff Utd loan) or advanced midfield role that Wolves didn't play at all during his time with us. **** timing really.

 

[Dr Wolfenstein]

Big profit on MGW
Big Profit on Giles
Big profit on Sanderson
Big profit on Ottasowie
2 first team regulars in Max and H Bueno
Looking likely a big profit on Mosquera (or he comes back into the squad)

All the above in less than 5 seasons. There’s lots to bash the club for, the Academy is absolutely not one of them.

They'll be wanting their money back for Otasowie. He seems to have disappeared.

 

[Mugwump]

We have produced quite a few players but not at Gibbs-White's level.

Ryan Giles was a good academy player who earnt us 5 million. Sanderson 2 million. Corbeanu 1 million. That's 8 million this season which isn't bad.

We produce decent championship players mainly. Most of our promising players though don't ever amount to much sadly.

 

[waveney wolf]

What accadamy?
What scouting system???
It's a joke ...if the temperature isn't 35 degrees and a nice beach nearby , our scouts arnt interested

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

What accadamy?
What scouting system???
It's a joke ...if the temperature isn't 35 degrees and a nice beach nearby , our scouts arnt interested

Well that’s a well informed opinion on the matter, kudos.

 

[Golden_Wolf]

The problem MGW had was that Nuno was so rigid in his 3-4-3 system at the time. He didn't really have the pace for one of the wide forwards and wasn't strong enough to be one of the 2 midfielders.

He was always suited best to that no10 (where he excelled in his Sheff Utd loan) or advanced midfield role that Wolves didn't play at all during his time with us. **** timing really.

Weirdly enough, I think he'd have suited working under Gaz more than any of our previous managers.

 

[waveney wolf]

Well that’s a well informed opinion on the matter, kudos.

Oh...our " scouts " , have found plenty of NOT good enoughs from warm countries , like Silva , when was the last time our scouting system found a Sake , a foden , a Bellingham ( who only lived just down the road ) , an Elliott ,a Cole palmer? .. a vardy, even a Paul mullin????
Not since the days of Steve bull...cos they re all on the beach in Portugal etc

 

[Mutchy]

Oh...our " scouts " , have found plenty of NOT good enoughs from warm countries , like Silva , when was the last time our scouting system found a Sake , a foden , a Bellingham ( who only lived just down the road ) , an Elliott ,a Cole palmer? .. a vardy, even a Paul mullin????
Not since the days of Steve bull...cos they re all on the beach in Portugal etc

Gutted we found Gomes...

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Oh...our " scouts " , have found plenty of NOT good enoughs from warm countries , like Silva , when was the last time our scouting system found a Sake , a foden , a Bellingham ( who only lived just down the road ) , an Elliott ,a Cole palmer? .. a vardy, even a Paul mullin????
Not since the days of Steve bull...cos they re all on the beach in Portugal etc

Have you had a bang on the head and not seen the signings we’ve made since Fosun come in? Do you think they just ring the club and sign?

Do you really think the age group related scouts sit on a beach abroad? Yeah they regularly scout Europe for schoolboy signings.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Gutted we found Gomes...

Ait Nouri was just walking down the Waterloo road as well and popped into reception to see if there were any jobs going

 

[Golden_Wolf]

Oh...our " scouts " , have found plenty of NOT good enoughs from warm countries , like Silva , when was the last time our scouting system found a Sake , a foden , a Bellingham ( who only lived just down the road ) , an Elliott ,a Cole palmer? .. a vardy, even a Paul mullin????
Not since the days of Steve bull...cos they re all on the beach in Portugal etc

Must have missed them signing Kilman & Doyle then

 

[CelebrityWolf]

I think the academy has done reasonably well as far as academies go.

I have felt for a while the problem seems to be keeping young players that come through or come to the academy first or just join as very young inexperienced players. Seems the very best want away pretty quickly. MGW, Vitinha, Goncalves arguably the best three youngsters with zero experience when joining our ranks or being brought through, all three wanted away. The likes of Neves and Jota were already full pros so aren't in this category.

Kilman is a good one we kept happy. Just randomly spouting here so if I am forgetting anyone obvious, make me happy and tell me.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

Ait Nouri was just walking down the Waterloo road as well and popped into reception to see if there were any jobs going

Ait-Nouri was already playing at Angers and was courted by big clubs, not in the same category.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Ait-Nouri was already playing at Angers and was courted by big clubs, not in the same category.

Waveney was moaning about our scouting. He was clearly scouted and signed (albeit for the first team squad)

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I think the academy has done reasonably well as far as academies go.

I have felt for a while the problem seems to be keeping young players that come through or come to the academy first or just join as very young inexperienced players. Seems the very best want away pretty quickly. MGW, Vitinha, Goncalves arguably the best three youngsters with zero experience when joining our ranks or being brought through, all three wanted away. The likes of Neves and Jota were already full pros so aren't in this category.

Kilman is a good one we kept happy. Just randomly spouting here so if I am forgetting anyone obvious, make me happy and tell me.

Vitinha was the same as Jota and Neves he’d played nearly 50 games for Porto in the Portuguese top division and Europe for them. Unfortunately he had the same fate as Goncalves in so far as Nuno didn’t trust either of them

 

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Ait Nouri was just walking down the Waterloo road as well and popped into reception to see if there were any jobs going

In fact he was disappointed not to be offered the job as assistant to Doris in the kitchen and had to settle for a job kicking a bloody ball about.
Not a lot of people know that.

 

[SuperGran]

Must have missed them signing Kilman & Doyle then

Maybe they were on holiday in Portugal at the time

 

[Rubberball]

Waveney was moaning about our scouting. He was clearly scouted and signed (albeit for the first team squad)

Huge difference between scouting for the first team and for the academy.

 

[Golden_Wolf]

Didn't we scout Chirewa & Chiwome who brought to the academy?

We have no idea how these two will pan out yet.

 

[Monketron]

Weirdly enough, I think he'd have suited working under Gaz more than any of our previous managers.

100%. I was actually thinking how he'd be perfect for the way we play right now.

 

[Supadavewolf]

In fact he was disappointed not to be offered the job as assistant to Doris in the kitchen and had to settle for a job kicking a bloody ball about.
Not a lot of people know that.

But didn't he play futsal?

Asking for a friend called Max.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

Huge difference between scouting for the first team and for the academy.

I’m aware.

I’m also aware of how much we have additionally invested into our scouting network since Fosun come in. To suggest our scout are sitting on a beach because we haven’t picked up a Bellingham, Foden & Saka like Waveney said is just ludicrous. Especially as two of them are genuine world class players.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

People should not assess the success or not of our academy by the position of our academy teams in their respective leagues, or the number of players making it into our first team. That’s not how modern top tier academies like Wolves are run. The primary purpose of the academies are to generate income for the club, and to fulfil a commitment to the FA to develop English talent. We get funding for that purpose.

Most of the best U21 players will head out on loans to gain better competitive match experience and exposure to potentially interested clubs. A handful of players will be selected to train with our first team, and even get game time, but in large part, that’s primarily to cover gaps in our senior squad or if a loan deal couldn’t be finalised in time.

More traditional academies which sign largely from local players and aim to develop them for their first team exist further down the pyramid, but even that’s getting harder as the top tier academies get ever larger and hose up all the best talent from across the country.

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AcademyFootball.Info is the home of academy football information for parents, players and football academy staff. We aim to showcase best practice in football academies and guide parents and players through the age groups to become professional football (soccer players).

www.academyfootball.info

 

[WorcesterWanderer]

Academies of clubs of our stature, as others have said, seem to be built around producing or acquiring young talent to be sold on. I'm not the most clued up on this whole area of the club, but it is quite sad if that is the ONLY apparent function of it at the moment.

 

[Rubberball]

I’m aware.

I’m also aware of how much we have additionally invested into our scouting network since Fosun come in. To suggest our scout are sitting on a beach because we haven’t picked up a Bellingham, Foden & Saka like Waveney said is just ludicrous. Especially as two of them are genuine world class players.

I agree that Waveney is talking out of his rear.

We did miss out on both Bellingham's though. They were literally on our doorstep and we dropped a massive ******* not getting both.

 

[waveney wolf]

Ait Nouri was just walking down the Waterloo road as well and popped into reception to see if there were any jobs going

What's that got to do with the scouting system and coming through the academy ?? You must have had a bang on the head