Nunes to City

[oldgoldheart]

Yeah because Fosun haven’t spent a penny on us over the last few years have they

No

They spent money on their asset. They are now taking their cash back out

 

[Royal wolf]

They’ll walk away with a profit when they sell.

They’re a business, that’s their aim

 

[WWFC4EVA]

China is ****ed, so fosun are ****ed, so we are ****ed

I totally get that, and appreciate that.
So do we keep swallowing the FFP line then?
They're streamlining the business in order to sell, of that I'm sure, why keep sugar coating the BS?
I'd have a great deal more respect for them if they told it like it was.

 

[Rufio]

The more I think about this the more I believe Nunes doesn't want to be here and tbh hasn't wanted to be here since he arrived. Especially now that JL has gone. I accept he's put more into it than Guedes, but that wasn't hard, but I've said for a while you wouldn't want him with you in the trenches. I just don't see him slogging it out in a real relegation scrap; just compare him to Neves who would have died for Wolves. I think we have to accept we're in a bigger mess week by week and will Nunes going make things immeasurably worse? Imo no. We're in a relegation fight possibly already and we have bigger and better street fighters than him. If he wants to go and we can get a shed load for him then **** off.

I agree with this completely

 

[Timberwolf]

Not to single you out, but how can people be in such denial? Do you think people arrived at this conclusion solely on the basis of Nunes being sold? Lol

We sold Neves who was a first team player. Everyone else was excess fat. Semedo and Nunes, if they go, are too inconsistent. It would leave us low on numbers and I’d be ‘disappointed’ with no additions.
I still think our squad is better than Luton, Blades, Everton and Burnley.

 

[Krispy Kreme]

I appreciate that I know very well how brighton do it and last year we were very much fishing in the same pond, Brighton also have a very strict wage structure hence why they accept losing these players after making a huge profit.
Difference is we’ve been spending big on well known talent and recently it’s not worked as quick as we’d want.
Brighton have been doing it for a few years now and have made plenty of mistakes although when those mistakes are under £10m it’s not a huge deal.

Yep Brighton weren't spunking money on Barca right backs or Atletico Madrid strikers.

They've spent big on people like João Pedro who is already proven in the prem to an extent and yet still has room to grow.

If MGW had Brighton he would have been blooded too.

They still won't keep it up if they just sell every time though.

 

[WWFC4EVA]

As long as we get more points than Derby I don't care

In our respective leagues... or from their record breaking season in the prem?!!!

 

[oldgoldheart]

I totally get that, and appreciate that.
So do we keep swallowing the FFP line then?
They're streamlining the business in order to sell, of that I'm sure, why keep sugar coating the BS?
I'd have a great deal more respect for them if they told it like it was.

I never believed the FFP line. Fed to Liam to shut him up. I guess they didnt want to admit to selling because it weakened their hand? They have twisted logic

 

[manchesterwolf17]

I used to feel it in The Wanderer when we were dragged in as kids before a game and the adults used to pile up to the bar for the Newcy Browns. Tandori before the game. It was hostile, but it was brilliant. Loved it.

Football is totally different now. The matchday experience is as boring as it gets tbh. Doesn't help that the football has been as poor as the atmosphere.

I'd honestly ban phones in a stadium if I could. Few things annoy me more than fans recording penalties etc. And it 100% impacts the atmosphere.

 

[Fifty Niner]

The more I think about this the more I believe Nunes doesn't want to be here and tbh hasn't wanted to be here since he arrived. Especially now that JL has gone. I accept he's put more into it than Guedes, but that wasn't hard, but I've said for a while you wouldn't want him with you in the trenches. I just don't see him slogging it out in a real relegation scrap; just compare him to Neves who would have died for Wolves. I think we have to accept we're in a bigger mess week by week and will Nunes going make things immeasurably worse? Imo no. We're in a relegation fight possibly already and we have bigger and better street fighters than him. If he wants to go and we can get a shed load for him then **** off.

Wasn’t all that long ago when fans could never imagine us ever being able to sign players like Neves, Jimenez, Jota, Nunes, Cunha, Gomes etc.

We’re all too ready shout ‘**** them off we need cloggers and sloggers’. Should be careful what we wish for.

 

[mcwolf]

buy Neves with the money

 

[Hawkguy]

Rumour being the key word there, many people on here know that FFP isn’t the only thing at play here and our FFP problems are nowhere near as dire as the likes of the E&S are reporting.

And I don’t see how 90 million vs 0 is stretching it? We have added 2 free transfers, one being a third choice goalkeeper, and lost Neves, Adama, Raul, Collins, Moutinho and Costa from our first team squad last year.

I don’t really understand what you mean by Fosun throwing money in and not knowing how it’s spent? They run the club, the make the decisions? If they would the club tomorrow they’d have had a fun play around with a football club for a few years, raised their profile in Europe and walked away with a profit. They aren’t doing us some big favour here.

Also, Shi is nothing but a mouth piece for the owners, an incompetent one but a mouthpiece all the same. Removing or not makes little difference.

You may think Fosun are some wonderful organisation that have brought nothing but joy but unfortunately, having seen the cost of my ticket almost double in the last 4 years, the facilities of the stadium see no improvement or investment, and dire football on the pitch while the club stagnates. I don’t share the same view as you.

How do they know? Because they say they know? Some people in the media say it's bad. Some say it's not as bad as it's being made out. I think personally it's somewhere in the middle. I think it's fine right now so long as don't spend a ton. And then I think we will be able to spend pretty freely next year. Last year no doubt hurt the FFP.

No one truly knows because we don't have access to the numbers because for some reason this lovely sport likes to have things in super grey areas.

Financials? Hard to get a hold of, especially the whole picture. VAR? No accountability. Time-keeping? Non-existent and made up.

Do you really think Fosun (aside from Shi, who I count as a member of the club, not our funding source) know ALL that much about our sport? No. That's why you put people in place to run things. IE: Shi/Sellars and now Shi/Hobbs. The ones who give Shi the funds to spend aren't making the decisions on the players. And the fact is... we spent huge money last year and what did it get them? I can see why they're ****ed and why they want to make a profit this window. It's pretty easy to see because last season was a massive ****ing failure.

And that's fine, you're allowed to have your view. I obviously, across the pond, I have a different one. Doesn't mean our views mean any less than one anothers. I wish we could both be happy. What I care about is being able to watch my team play. For years, I would see a few games a year because we'd only have 4-5 PL games every weekend in Canada and the odd Championship game. So to me Fosun has been a live-saver because I've got to watch my club for 6 years without missing games.

 

[Darvo]

According to the E&S Nunes wants the move and it has been reported that personal terms have been agreed. His head has been turned and who can blame him. Man City European Champions, PL Champions and FA Cup winners or Wolves and possibly another relegation scrap. No brainer.

If personal terms have been agreed it’s as good as done and dusted.

 

[Brightonwolf]

Oh horse****.

If they are not popular on FIFA or high value players have been written off. I don’t mean by everyone but I’m afraid it’s the way lots of clubs fans are now.

 

[Hawkguy]

That sucks.. but at least you won’t be relegated into a hellhole league.. and you know with the drafting cycles that you will be very competitive again soon.

I like the way US sports does salary caps and drafts tbh.. everyone has their day. (Unless you’re a Browns fan).

Every league is different with the cap. NHL seems to be the most strict, NFL the most confusing, and Baseball probably the best we could hope for over here.

Baseball uses a luxary tax system. So there's a soft cap which can go over, but have to pay varying degrees of "tax" that's split between the teams that comply with the soft cap and a pension for the players.

 

[woop woop barmy army]

If personal terms have been agreed it’s as good as done and dusted.

Agreed think he will be gone before the weekend.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

The thing is NNW, who is the "we" you refer to regarding the shed load?
Do you honestly believe the club will see any/any sizeable amount of any incoming from his sale?

I assume sale proceeds go to Wolves and I take your point that will it result in new player arrivals? Who knows and who knows what Fosun's plans are for the club? From a financial view point I have to believe they don't want us relegated so they need to strengthen the squad before Aug 31, from Nunes's sale, otherwise we are likely to be in the same situation as last season. I haven't a clue what's going on at Molineux right now; I'm not sure Hobbs et al have either which is worrying.

 

[woop woop barmy army]

I'd honestly ban phones in a stadium if I could. Few things annoy me more than fans recording penalties etc. And it 100% impacts the atmosphere.

Bang on.

Just dont see the point. live for the moment. Just wanting just to get a few likes on social media for the video, does my head in.

 

[Hawkguy]

It’s not really comparable though is it, your NHL team won’t get relegated.

I mean, I wish the NHL had relegation. Seriously. Not having relegation means that you can do stupid stuff and all that needs to happen is a 5-year rebuild to "fix" the salary cap. Those 5 years are a massive waste. And just like Wolves, the ticket prices keep raising even when they're in a rebuild. One or two bad contracts can mean the end of your team for years and years. In football, you can just loan them away.

So there's good and bad to both.

Where-as you never know what's going to happen in football. I never thought I'd see the day that Wolves spent 177 million in a single window. Of course, that 177 million was spent really poorly, but still, lol.

 

[The Wolf Of Wombourne]

We sold Neves who was a first team player. Everyone else was excess fat. Semedo and Nunes, if they go, are too inconsistent. It would leave us low on numbers and I’d be ‘disappointed’ with no additions.
I still think our squad is better than Luton, Blades, Everton and Burnley.

Raul - 15 games
Collins - 26 games
Traore - 34 games
Moutinho - 31 games
Costa - 23 games
Podence (to go) - 32 games

161 combined appearances of excess fat?

 

[Hawkguy]

Raul - 15 games
Collins - 26 games
Traore - 34 games
Moutinho - 31 games
Costa - 23 games
Podence (to go) - 32 games

161 combined appearances of excess fat?

98% of the forum wanted almost all of them gone. So.... yes?

 

[Ercall Wolves]

Agreed think he will be gone before the weekend.

Wasn’t personal terms agree with us and Alex Scott

 

[Wolf 82]

I mean, I wish the NHL had relegation. Seriously. Not having relegation means that you can do stupid stuff and all that needs to happen is a 5-year rebuild to "fix" the salary cap. Those 5 years are a massive waste. And just like Wolves, the ticket prices keep raising even when they're in a rebuild. One or two bad contracts can mean the end of your team for years and years. In football, you can just loan them away.

So there's good and bad to both.

Where-as you never know what's going to happen in football. I never thought I'd see the day that Wolves spent 177 million in a single window. Of course, that 177 million was spent really poorly, but still, lol.

That 177mill was spent over 2 windows I think.. summer and January?

 

[Brightonwolf]

Yep Brighton weren't spunking money on Barca right backs or Atletico Madrid strikers.

They've spent big on people like João Pedro who is already proven in the prem to an extent and yet still has room to grow.

If MGW had Brighton he would have been blooded too.

They still won't keep it up if they just sell every time though.

That’s their plan now, adding a few bigger fee players whilst flipping a few others. They’ve also invested in some older experienced players. Then they have players like Solly March and Dunk who on paper are not great players and if we were linked with fans would complain. But they compliment their system and key players.

 

[Ercall Wolves]

If personal terms have been agreed it’s as good as done and dusted.

Wasn’t personal terms agreed between us and Alex Scott?

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

This is going to be a truly miserable season, isn’t it.

High point will be almost getting something away at an unfit MU first game of season.

 

[Rhoswolf]

Wasn’t personal terms agree with us and Alex Scott

Major difference they have the money, we didn't.

 

[Hawkguy]

That 177mill was spent over 2 windows I think.. summer and January?

Sorry, yes. 1 year. It was probably about 130 million in one window.

 

[Timberwolf]

Really?!!!
So valuing the club at £750m-£1bn!!!
I can't believe there wasn't any takers!!!!

There weren’t…what part of what I wrote didn’t you understand

 

[Skrilla]

If personal terms have been agreed it’s as good as done and dusted.

I think most deals nowadays start with gauging the player's interest to avoid wasting time, it's become fairly common practice.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

According to the E&S Nunes wants the move and it has been reported that personal terms have been agreed. His head has been turned and who can blame him. Man City European Champions, PL Champions and FA Cup winners or Wolves and possibly another relegation scrap. No brainer.

I can see the sale going through. Problem is it will be protracted, as these things always are, and we'll have about 5 minutes left of the window to get some others in. Can this season get more ridiculous?

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

I can see the sale going through. Problem is it will be protracted, as these things always are, and we'll have about 5 minutes left of the window to get some others in. Can this season get more ridiculous?

With clubs we’re negotiating with knowing we’ve sold Nunes for X amount, and also having sold £97m worth of players previously too.

We’ll hardly be in a strong position.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

That 177mill was spent over 2 windows I think.. summer and January?

Yes, and if you factor in what we’ve sold over the last 12 months, then it’s a net spend of 60m, or 30m per year, which isn’t massive.

 

[BlahBlah]

The next 7 days will relegate wolves in the premier league and it will all be fosuns own fault

Unless they sell Nunes and bring in about 3 good players that keep us up? Then they will have saved us?

 

[WWFC4EVA]

There weren’t…what part of what I wrote didn’t you understand

It was sarcasm.... what part of that didn't you understand?

 

[The Wolf Of Wombourne]

How do they know? Because they say they know? Some people in the media say it's bad. Some say it's not as bad as it's being made out. I think personally it's somewhere in the middle. I think it's fine right now so long as don't spend a ton. And then I think we will be able to spend pretty freely next year. Last year no doubt hurt the FFP.

No one truly knows because we don't have access to the numbers because for some reason this lovely sport likes to have things in super grey areas.

Financials? Hard to get a hold of, especially the whole picture. VAR? No accountability. Time-keeping? Non-existent and made up.

Do you really think Fosun (aside from Shi, who I count as a member of the club, not our funding source) know ALL that much about our sport? No. That's why you put people in place to run things. IE: Shi/Sellars and now Shi/Hobbs. The ones who give Shi the funds to spend aren't making the decisions on the players. And the fact is... we spent huge money last year and what did it get them? I can see why they're ****ed and why they want to make a profit this window. It's pretty easy to see because last season was a massive ****ing failure.

And that's fine, you're allowed to have your view. I obviously, across the pond, I have a different one. Doesn't mean our views mean any less than one anothers. I wish we could both be happy. What I care about is being able to watch my team play. For years, I would see a few games a year because we'd only have 4-5 PL games every weekend in Canada and the odd Championship game. So to me Fosun has been a live-saver because I've got to watch my club for 6 years without missing games.

I know, because people who I trust, who have contacts at the club, have told me. I’m genuinely telling you that FFP is not the issue at play here and that’s completely up to you whether you believe me or not.

 

[WolfInSheep'sClothing]

Maybe he's on £50 a week

We gave him a new contract.

 

[Wolf 82]

Yes, and if you factor in what we’ve sold over the last 12 months, then it’s a net spend of 60m, or 30m per year, which isn’t massive.

In Bruno’s first season, we had a net spend of only €5million.. surprised at that looking back

 

[Big Saft Kid]

The club is ****ed. Thanks FOSUN.

 

[thommo1984]

98% of the forum wanted almost all of them gone. So.... yes?

And 100% of the forum presumed they would be replaced.