Next seasons starting 11/squad?

[Essex Wolf]

I don't know all the ins and outs of the individual players contracts or what terms/conditions are drawn in but should Wolves go down I imagine quite a few of the clubs better players will be off.

Admittedly some will remain but I'm just trying to think of what next years squad will look like.

Sad as it is to say but I feel the likes of Hennessey, Fletcher and Jarvis will be going with he possibility of players like Doyle, O'Hara and Johnson asking to go as well.

The first game of next season, should Wolves be in the CCC could line up as follows.

De Vries


Foley Berra Stearman Ward


Kightly Henry Edwards Hunt


Seb Vokes

Subs Ikeme, Elokobi, Jonnson, Craddock, Hammill, Doherty,Forde and Keogh.

Not a bad team for the CCC but not sure it would be good enough to take the team club up.

Of course this team is based on virtually all the best players leaving.

 

[Dewsburywolf]

How many more times do you need telling?

N-POWER CHAMPIONSHIP

 

[Essex Wolf]

Does it matter Dews, it's a backwards step.

 

[GoldForever]

i certainly hope not, bar Kightly & Foley that team is dog$$$$.

 

[Vietnam Wolf]

Essex: If the six players you mention do go [which I agree is very likely] we'll recoup in the region of 20 - 25 million for them which will buy some Championship grade stalwarts to bolster up the team.

I agree depressing - but with the other quality available in the club [now with three years PL experience] I feel sure that Mick [or his replacement] will be able to cobble together a strong enough side next year to challenge for a play-off place.

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Does it matter Dews, it's a backwards step.

Yes it does because if you can't even get the name right I can't take anything else you say seriously


You make some good points but then .......................................

 

[Essex Wolf]

i certainly hope not, bar Kightly & Foley that team is dog$$$$.

Oh I don't know, Ward has been POTS so far, yes I know the choices are limited but we know SEB can do what's needed in the N POWER and even Berra and Stearman should be reasonable at that level?Shouldn't they?

So sorry DEWS, and here was I thinking Wolves current predicament was a serious one and all you can worry about is the ****ing name of the league they are headed for.

And we all make some good points as well as bad ones, Mick and his team certainly don't make enough of them.

 

[BlackBully]

Essex: If the six players you mention do go [which I agree is very likely] we'll recoup in the region of 20 - 25 million for them which will buy some Championship grade stalwarts to bolster up the team.

I agree depressing - but with the other quality available in the club [now with three years PL experience] I feel sure that Mick [or his replacement] will be able to cobble together a strong enough side next year to challenge for a play-off place.

IF we got £20m - £25m for them do you seriously see it going back into the team? Because it won't, it'll be 'ringfenced' for x, y or z (which may or may not ultimately happen). We might outlay £5m tops. Where is the nice profit from recent years? Not on the pitch or in the wage pot is it?

 

[Dewsburywolf]

So sorry DEWS, and here was I thinking Wolves current predicament was a serious one and all you can worry about is the ****ing name of the league they are headed for.

So you don't agree that Mick's evolving as a manager by opting for the 4-2-3-1 system? A system that was working until the Frimpong injury & Warnock being unleashed to nullify Kightly's threat

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

I've repeatedly argued that, should we go down (which is about 60% likely in my book - ) we'll have by far the strongest team in the championship (on paper).

We'll lose comparitvely few players and have money to spend.

We also have a relegation clause inserted in every single contract so while players could be hankering for a move, we'd only need to sell Fletch and perhaps one other player to be able to offset any losses for a year.

We'd almost certainly try to do a Newcastle and run at a loss for one year, gambling on immediate promotion.

It offers not a crumb of comfort now, but if things go the way they're looking like going, it might do come May...

Doyle and Johnson are 28/29 and have just started long term deals. While their wages would be high for the Champo (even taking into account the 40/50% drop), there would most probably not be buyers at prices we were interested in.

 

[Essex Wolf]

Essex: If the six players you mention do go [which I agree is very likely] we'll recoup in the region of 20 - 25 million for them which will buy some Championship grade stalwarts to bolster up the team.

I agree depressing - but with the other quality available in the club [now with three years PL experience] I feel sure that Mick [or his replacement] will be able to cobble together a strong enough side next year to challenge for a play-off place.

VW, see the post by BlackBully as to how I view any monies made will be used.

If Morgan is unprepared to spend on the quality needed whilst Wolves are still a PL club I reckon the purse strings will be pulled even tighter in the N Power.

Yes monies would be made available but I can't see, believe or imagine it would equate to anywhere near half what was taken in. Most likely go to yet another pointless venture, if at all.

 

[Dewsburywolf]

We'd almost certainly try to do a Newcastle and run at a loss for one year, gambling on immediate promotion.

Why would we have to run at a loss? Son't you get parachute payments any more?

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

We'd lose £25 million income - minimum.

 

[Vietnam Wolf]

IF we got £20m - £25m for them do you seriously see it going back into the team? Because it won't, it'll be 'ringfenced' for x, y or z (which may or may not ultimately happen). We might outlay £5m tops. Where is the nice profit from recent years? Not on the pitch or in the wage pot is it?

No I don't think it would all go into the team if all six left - but nor do I think all six will all leave.

To be honest money gained on one or two departures [realistically Hennessey and Fletcher will be gone for sure] would be better spent on wage increases to try to keep the other four here - like Newcastle managed to do three years ago.

 

[Essex Wolf]

So you don't agree that Mick's evolving as a manager by opting for the 4-2-3-1 system? A system that was working until the Frimpong injury & Warnock being unleashed to nullify Kightly's threat

Are you for real and is that a serious question Dews?

Good God man he has been a manager for how many years now and still messing up regularly. Exactly how long do you give the bloke?

If he doesn't know the problems by now he never will. Look at the stats for his time as Wolves manager in the PL, they make for some depressing reading and quite how he has kept his job is bewildering. Just because of the odd shock and surprise result it doesn't not disguise the large number of games Wolves have lost against opposition hey should have done better against.

Mick has had three seasons in the PL now and the football served up is for the most part poor, utter dross in fact.

He takes far far too long to see the obvious, his defence is still atrocious, his tactics and formations often wrong and whilst he may get the odd substitution decision right they are often made too late in a game.

The world has evolved over many millions of years, Wolves and Mick don't have hat amount of time Dews.

 

[Bevan]

I've repeatedly argued that, should we go down (which is about 60% likely in my book - ) we'll have by far the strongest team in the championship (on paper).

We'll lose comparitvely few players and have money to spend.

We also have a relegation clause inserted in every single contract so while players could be hankering for a move, we'd only need to sell Fletch and perhaps one other player to be able to offset any losses for a year.

We'd almost certainly try to do a Newcastle and run at a loss for one year, gambling on immediate promotion.

It offers not a crumb of comfort now, but if things go the way they're looking like going, it might do come May...

Doyle and Johnson are 28/29 and have just started long term deals. While their wages would be high for the Champo (even taking into account the 40/50% drop), there would most probably not be buyers at prices we were interested in.

Agree with this. If we go down think only Fletcher will definitely go, and we'd get the best part of £20m for him IMO. Assuming we buy Maynard this window then we'd already have a replacement for him as well.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

The problem with us though is that we always balls it up when we're expected to do well!

 

[Dewsburywolf]

Agree with this. If we go down think only Fletcher will definitely go, and we'd get the best part of £20m for him IMO. Assuming we buy Maynard this window then we'd already have a replacement for him as well.

Hennessey will go as well & deservedly so. How many decent young British keepers are there around these days?

 

[JOSWolf]

i certainly hope not, bar Kightly & Foley that team is dog$$$$.

I agree. That team is beyond awful!

 

[Bevan]

The problem with us though is that we always balls it up when we're expected to do well!

We didn't do too badly when we won the Championship, in a season where we all expected automatic promotion. I've no doubt we could do it again, should we go down.

 

[Living at other WWFC]

Yes it does because if you can't even get the name right I can't take anything else you say seriously


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Gosh, shall have to be careful with you sir. I still feel most comfortable calling it Division 2. Never really got into the commercialism merry-go-round. I don't watch adverts.

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[Dewsburywolf]

Yes it does because if you can't even get the name right I can't take anything else you say seriously

Gosh, shall have to be careful with you sir. I still feel most comfortable calling it Division 2. Never really got into the commercialism merry-go-round.

This times however many million you want :wavey:

 

[Deleted member 3751]

IF we got £20m - £25m for them do you seriously see it going back into the team? Because it won't, it'll be 'ringfenced' for x, y or z (which may or may not ultimately happen). We might outlay £5m tops. Where is the nice profit from recent years? Not on the pitch or in the wage pot is it?

We'd get £20-25m for Fletcher and Jarvis. If we only got £25m for all six I'd be amazed.

 

[saturday boy]

We might lose 1 or 2 players but there won't be a fire sale. First, we wouldn't be required to do so financially as we could accomodate our exisiting wage structure with the parachute payments.

We have two types of player - those who are very good in the Premier League, Fletcher, Hennessey and possibly Jarvis all of whom would cost the sort of money that only established sides could afford or those who are financially bankrolled. A newly promoted side isn't going to pay out £15 million for Fletcher and he probably wouldn't want to go there.

The second type of player we have are the core "Wolves" players - Ward, Kightly, Henry, Ebanks-Blake, Foley, Edwards - all of whom have developed their game in the Premier League or who have proven qualities lower down. I believe the majority of this type of player would remain.

The players that most likely to leave for big money are Hennessey, Berra, Doyle, Jarvis and Fletcher - I don't think Johnson's reputation is particularly enhanced and O'Hara seems relatively settled and needs stability and a run of injury free games to get his career up and running. Milijas won't be here either but will probably go abroad but I still think we'll be left with a very, very good side for that level and with plenty of money to buy whatever we need to supplement the squad.

De Vries

Foley
Stearman
Johnson
Ward

Kightly
O'Hara
Henry
Forde?

Ebanks-Blake
A.N.Other

Zubar will likely still be here and I'm sure we can get Mancienne back too.

All of it is totally irrelevant though as the players we will likely sell if we go down are the same players we will likely sell if we stay up.

 

[Dewsburywolf]

De Vries


Foley Berra Stearman Ward


Kightly Henry Edwards Hunt


Seb Vokes

Subs Ikeme, Elokobi, Jonnson, Craddock, Hammill, Doherty,Forde and Keogh.

Not a bad team for the CCC but not sure it would be good enough to take the team club up.

Of course this team is based on virtually all the best players leaving.

i certainly hope not, bar Kightly & Foley that team is dog$$$$.

De Vries

Foley
Stearman
Johnson
Ward

Kightly
O'Hara
Henry
Forde?

Ebanks-Blake
A.N.Other

Zubar will likely still be here and I'm sure we can get Mancienne back too.

All of it is totally irrelevant though as the players we will likely sell if we go down are the same players we will likely sell if we stay up.

So we'd be left with a semi decent team & that without spending the untold millions we'll recoup from said player sales

 

[saturday boy]

So we'd be left with a semi decent team & that without spending the untold millions we'll recoup from said player sales

Or we'd be left with a semi-decent team before spending the millions we'll recoup from said player sales.

 

[JOSWolf]

I think Guedioura would be good in the Championship.

 

[WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax]

I'm hoping if we go down we can convince players ala Newcastle to give us one year, help us bounce back, if we don't they will be found new clubs. Some will definetely go, think Fletcher may want a move regardless of whether we stay up or not - and I don't blame any striker on our books for that, must be shocking to play with the 'service' we offer - Jarvis would be 50/50, teams would take him but depends if he feels any loyalty. Hennessey is so young we could keep him I think. Other than that don't think anyone would be offering enough to make us want to sell the rest. There'd be a couple more go but possibly more on a "we decide it's time to part ways" basis rather than being forced to sell them. Should have quite a decent team if we do go down.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

I think Guedy/Milijas would leave us but we'd replace them.

Neither would be a huge loss tbh.

Then there'd be a surprise transfer; maybe Berra/Foley/Zubar.

We'd still have the strongest team on paper in the division. But I felt the same way in 04!