I saw that and found it quite interesting, I think what he meant in this case was if WH thought there was an infringement they could appeal the goal before VAR makes an mess of it. Good concept, one per half. The WH players obviously thought it was a valid goal from their reactions.
No one is saying Chirewa wasnt standing in an offside position he clearly was
I agree with you and the thousands of others, but was just suggesting a reason why we shouldn’t expect another apology from Howard Webb who will try to protect his mates at all costs.
The old rules had the virtue of relative simplicity and clarity.
They did, but if João stands in the corner, admiring his excellent delivery, he gets given offside. Do we want that?
Lineker's idea is just *******s. You need all the same ridiculous technology and extra officials and what happens differently? First half West Ham challenge the pen, presumably VAR still decides it was correct - result they've lost their appeal, so they feel doubly aggrieved. Second half assuming they don't waste their appeal anywhere, we score a late equaliser, even if they don't think there's anything wrong, they're bound to appeal anyway. Presumably the idiot officials come to the same conclusion. So we've gained nothing, same old rubbish, especially for fans in the ground.
Maybe. But we need to look at more than its possible impact on just one game.
Personally, yes. I’d love it if they brought back the old rules. At least back then we didn’t have subjective reasons given for disallowing goals. That’s where the problem lies for me, it should be black or white, but the gray area of subjectivity allows refs to flop one way or another, and base their decisions on whatever dubious criteria pleases them.
I agree with that. Most goals and almost every late goal will be challenged in the hope of finding something, and a lot of decisions are subjective, so when you get whatever the football equivalent of umpire's call is against you then you'll feel doubly aggrieved. If they actually have a thing where you don't get the decision, but you keep your appeal (like actual umpire's call) then people will be even more aggrieved. We all know the simple solution is just to bin the whole thing, but there are too many vested interests which are nothing to do with actual fans in ground and decisions being made by business people, not actual fans.
The beauty of lower league football...No VAR
The old games are class.
As a neutral what did you think on first impression of that decision? My Stoke mate thinks it’s the right decision, but that it’s because he is sticking to the letter of the law
I think it’s harsh as who knows if the keeper will get to the ball so can goals really be ruled out on what might happen ?
Anyone who thinks the decision is right by the letter of the law doesn't understand the law. Even if he blocks the keeper's view (which he doesn't) it's still not offside unless that stops the keeper saving it (which it doesn't).
But even that qualification gets us into problems. The keeper is impeded continually at corners and free kicks with one or two players standing directly in front of him, "on his toes". Fouls are rarely given, and only then for excessive force by the attacking player. See West Ham's goal from the corner kick for example. Should that goal have been ruled out??
That misses the point though. The players blocking Sa are allowed to interfere with play as they aren't in an offside position.
Thats true, but by the laws of the game Chirewa was ONside (from a corner) until the moment that Kilman makes contact with the ball, whereupon he has, what, 0,3 of a second to get back onside from an offside position ?
Fair point.
That's a fair point, in terms of the highly subjective category of impeding line of vision. But when extensive licence is
So that’s why Salah or any of the multiple times this goes unchecked for other teams can get away with it because he’s a smaller chap?
Salah is only 5ft so a 6ft plus keeper can see over him, so the objective offside is not relevant, surely.? It’s a joke, keepers might as well go crouch and hide behind offside players making them blocked and unsighted, game over.
This. Absolutely this.
The line of sight was put in for shots from edge of the area where players could block the sight of the keeper, and thats fair enough
