MNF - Webb on VAR

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Anyone watching MNF tonight, they’ve shown a couple of decisions with behind the scenes footage and have Webb talking it through.

So far;
Havertz clear handball into the net for Chelsea.
Newcastle handball pen shout v Arsenal (where it hit the thigh first).
Joelinton goal v West Ham (tight offside).

Have to say on the Joelinton/offside one, it is genuinely just one chap saying left or right a click to work out the last pixel, nowhere near being magnified enough on the West Ham player based on what they showed.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

arsenal at Leicester was interesting. Probably wouldn’t have seen that holding his hand without that commentary .

How many penalties are given when a defender is holding though! Barely any

This has to be led by the on pitch official like in rugby though. So much clearer than what is coming through there

 

[SA Wolf]

Yep, just watched it. Kudos to Webb for coming on TV to explain. Admits they get it wrong on occasions (Toney). Also replayed the Jonny sending off against Leeds, which VAR overturned to red from original yellow.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

BrentFord one is a joke

Never a penalty in a million years

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

arsenal at Leicester was interesting. Probably wouldn’t have seen that holding his hand without that commentary .

How many penalties are given when a defender is holding though! Barely any

This has to be led by the on pitch official like in rugby though. So much clearer than what is coming through there

Yeah, have to say that one v White is a great spot and something perfect for it.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Highlights how weak the refs are

One ref told players to go away about 5 or 6 times and they clearly ignored him

 

[Padraig]

Highlights how weak the refs are

One ref told players to go away about 5 or 6 times and they clearly ignored him

The very same Jarred Gillet who sent Lemina off for putting his arms out 15 yards away. *****.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Disappointed it has been cherry picked rather than Sky asking for certain ones to be reviewed.

Quite how the foul on Raul by Pope hasn’t been discussed I don’t know.

 

[Bognor_Wolf]

Highlights how weak the refs are

One ref told players to go away about 5 or 6 times and they clearly ignored him

Yeah made me laugh that as I'm sure it was our friend Gillet who couldn't wait to send Lemina off at Southampton.....

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

Unsure where I stand on having Howard Webb on this. Good that he’s trying to explain things.

But on the other hand it seems like another PR tool to try to justify the travesty that is VAR’s introduction to the PL, and normalize it in the game by making it a feature of the coverage.

The cynic in me suspects Sky are doing it as a viewings figures booster too.

Think I might just be in a Monday grumpy mood still!

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Disappointed it has been cherry picked rather than Sky asking for certain ones to be reviewed.

Quite how the foul on Raul by Pope hasn’t been discussed I don’t know.

Of course it was

And of course carragher and Neville barely challenged him

Nothing will change

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Highlights how weak the refs are

One ref told players to go away about 5 or 6 times and they clearly ignored him

The irony is that was the one v Bournemouth and it was the CB who was fouled trying to draw the referee’s attention to it so they’d check it.

Which Neville even asked Webb if the referee would have spoken to the player to try and understand if something might have happened.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Of course it was

And of course carragher and Neville barely challenged him

Nothing will change

Yeah, good opportunity and both are pundits who’ve called referees and VAR out throughout the season but they bottled it when face to face with Webb.

 

[JOSWolf]

Would like them to ask him about the mystery rule that appeared after Leminas's sending off by that plonker Gillet and then mysteriously disappeared.

 

[SA Wolf]

Guess you guys got a different coverage to me as there was no Neville/Carragher, but the pundit questioning Webb was Michael Owen. Wonder if the same clips were used and discussed!

 

[NottsWolves]

Course it’s cherry picked and would have liked them to have challenged more. However it’s a start, a small step but hopefully this will allow more incidents to be shown.

Webb has inherited a right **** show.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Course it’s cherry picked and would have liked them to have challenged more. However it’s a start, a small step but hopefully this will allow more incidents to be shown.

Webb has inherited a right **** show.

He has

And he’s continued it

 

[S G Wolves]

Would like them to ask him about the mystery rule that appeared after Leminas's sending off by that plonker Gillet and then mysteriously disappeared.

Worst and most controversial decision of the season. No wonder they missed it. The ref would get properly grilled.

 

[Puregold]

Bet they did not mention the Lemina sending off at Southampton.!!

 

[lostwolf]

Just **** it off. It spoils the spectacle and doesn't even provide consistency.

 

[JOSWolf]

Bet they did not mention the Lemina sending off at Southampton.!!

We don’t matter. Numerous examples they could have used were we have been shafted.

 

[17miles]

He's also on Talksport tomorrow morning at 10am. Obviously a PR thing.

 

[Padraig]

He's also on Talksport tomorrow morning at 10am. Obviously a PR thing.

Hopefully they give him a bit of a harder time.

Would have been good to hear them ask about the fans’ views (i.e. we all hate it). I know he’s there to run it, not to decide whether it’s binned, but would be interesting to hear what he thinks.

 

[Kashmire Hawker]

It’s a start, that they are now showing the process in its form.

The eventual aim, has to be both it being shown on TV and in the Stadium at real time.

It’s a standard part of Rugby, so why not Football and that would go a long way in terms of transparency and the system actually working as it should.

Let’s hope Howard comes on to a show and speaks about the stupid decisions next week!

 

[JohnB]

Didn’t see it.

A fair few items could be learnt from other sports, notably rugby refs.

Players and managers/support team (including ours) need to have respect for officials. Should be automatic 10 yard penalty for dissent and only captain can approach ref.

VAR should be ref led and comms communicated in stadium. Any reviews start with a full speed playback.

Offside has to be automated or more likely with a larger tolerance - no way can they pick the moment the ball is kicked accurately and then decide by a toenail if offside.

Finally, 2x30 minute halves with stop clocks for out of play.

 

[wolfslair]

Hopefully they give him a bit of a harder time.

Would have been good to hear them ask about the fans’ views (i.e. we all hate it). I know he’s there to run it, not to decide whether it’s binned, but would be interesting to hear what he thinks.

Only if it is Simon Jordan….. the others talk a great game but buckle or don’t come with the same energy when the person they are ranting about is infront of them…..

 

[Lisas Husband]

Last night Keys and Gray said he was on their channel too (Bein Sports) and they both said that all he'd probably talk about would be the ones they'd got right. I'm not keen on Keys and Gray but if they can see it then it must be obvious.
The usual Sky Sports bullshat always seems to skirt around it, I've noticed Bein do seem to have a more vocal stance on it.

 

[Lisas Husband]

Bein Sports don't have as much to lose as Sky though I guess.

 

[Watfordfc]

Last night Keys and Gray said he was on their channel too (Bein Sports) and they both said that all he'd probably talk about would be the ones they'd got right. I'm not keen on Keys and Gray but if they can see it then it must be obvious.
The usual Sky Sports bullshat always seems to skirt around it, I've noticed Bein do seem to have a more vocal stance on it.

They did show one incident which Webb said was wrong because the VAR didn’t look at the whole incident.

Well that is a basic lack of training and awareness issue really .

I mean surely got to check everything?

 

[thommo1984]

Just caught up with this… Went through a handful of incidents but not a single one that they’ve had to apologise for this season?

Coooooooool, nothing to see here

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

They did show one incident which Webb said was wrong because the VAR didn’t look at the whole incident.

Well that is a basic lack of training and awareness issue really .

I mean surely got to check everything?

I didn't see it, but I got the impression that when Webb started,he was very keen to get rid of that ridiculous wait for people in the ground. That lead to a couple of actual errors, including the one where Lee Mason was so keen not to look indecisive, he forgot to check for offside altogether.

 

[Gromit]

Unsure where I stand on having Howard Webb on this. Good that he’s trying to explain things.

But on the other hand it seems like another PR tool to try to justify the travesty that is VAR’s introduction to the PL, and normalize it in the game by making it a feature of the coverage.

The cynic in me suspects Sky are doing it as a viewings figures booster too.

Think I might just be in a Monday grumpy mood still!

Agre 100% ARTS

 

[Perton Wolf]

Didn’t see it.

A fair few items could be learnt from other sports, notably rugby refs.

Players and managers/support team (including ours) need to have respect for officials. Should be automatic 10 yard penalty for dissent and only captain can approach ref.

VAR should be ref led and comms communicated in stadium. Any reviews start with a full speed playback.

Offside has to be automated or more likely with a larger tolerance - no way can they pick the moment the ball is kicked accurately and then decide by a toenail if offside.

Finally, 2x30 minute halves with stop clocks for out of play.

Why? Just clamp down on time wasting and implement proper levels of time added on like they did at the World Cup.

Also, a stopped clock would be hard to manage at grassroots football as I assume it would be the fourth official's job at the pro level.

 

[WickedWolfie]

The very same Jarred Gillet who sent Lemina off for putting his arms out 15 yards away. *****.

 

[Gazebowolf]

I didn't see it, but I got the impression that when Webb started,he was very keen to get rid of that ridiculous wait for people in the ground. That lead to a couple of actual errors, including the one where Lee Mason was so keen not to look indecisive, he forgot to check for offside altogether.

It wasn't Mason's job to check for offside, that comes under the jurisdiction of the AVAR. Just like on the field it is the Assistant Referee who calls offside.

 

[wolfslair]

Howard is on with Simon Jordan! Hoping he rips him apart like he tried with Eddie Hearn and doesn’t let him off as easily as sky did.

 

[Clipboard]

Looking at the complexity involved with the one example i saw - the overturn of the pen for Newcastle v Arsenal - i thought bloody hell its hellish complicated and stressful and they seem to be checking everything. Then my son put me straight and said that they shouldn't be trying to spot every possible issue all the time and just concentrate on what we though VAR was for in the first place. Checking issues that are clearly **** ups. For example (as has happened to us many times), if a goal is scored and everyone just gets on with it then there is no need to scour the footage for a potential hand ball or whatever! If there is a whiff of hand ball the players normally go mad and its something they should look at (although i guess this could be gamed by teams on the off chance there is something to rule the goal out).

I think they are trying to do too much and seem to miss out on the big picture.

 

[Clipboard]

Howard is on with Simon Jordan! Hoping he rips him apart like he tried with Eddie Hearn and doesn’t let him off as easily as sky did.

I just tweeted Jordan on the Lemena issue - suspect nothing will be said. Jim White is such a ****ing sycophant i dont expect any controversy at all.

 

[Beastier]

Re the Lemina sending off, am I correct in thinking this wouldn't be relevant to a VAR discussion as it was by virtue of two yellow cards and therefore not covered by VAR's mandate (or should I say agenda...)?

 

[Clipboard]

Re the Lemina sending off, am I correct in thinking this wouldn't be relevant to a VAR discussion as it was by virtue of two yellow cards and therefore not covered by VAR's mandate (or should I say agenda...)?

I think you are right. Its more of a crap refereeing point. then making **** up to justify it!!