Mike Dean -answers on a postcard

[Focke Wolf]

My frustration doesn’t lie with the fact that Pogba fouled Neves and got away with it, or the fact that Greenwood scored, it lies with the fact that I haven’t got got a clue what VAR is meant to do in a situation like this - totally confusing. Isn’t VAR meant to be the safety net, backstop for incorrect play? Apparently they checked it, **** me. And Dermot Gallagher agreed with Dean as well but he came across as a bit of a brussel sprout with his analogy. My advice to you Dermot is to stop smoking what your brothers Noel and Liam give you.

 

[Jonzy54]

The infamous Matt Carbon

Yes .I sent him off when he played for Lincoln

 

[SmokeyGB]

Can the league not hire ref's from other countries? Bloody better than the so called professionals we have.

 

[S G Wolves]

I made a half serious comment about taking legal action against Dean and perhaps PGMOL earlier. One of the practical reasons for doing this would be to have a court sanctioned trawl of their communications and see if there is anything incriminating regarding bias, or worse, corruption. I doubt there would be evidence of the latter, which would draw the police in too, but even some evidence of the former would be enough to blow the whole heap of turds up.

Mate seriously....Legal...
Bit OTT.
I like your posts but come on. There are **** decisions every week. Check any forum it will be the same. I'm just as disappointed as everyone else but I think we need a little bit of perspective here... not go into victim mentality.

 

[Fenrir_]

Yes .I sent him off when he played for Lincoln

For the challenge on Ndah I hope!

 

[Jonzy54]

For the challenge on Ndah I hope!

He hadn’t joined then .He got a Red for being last man when he brought the striker down

 

[old wittonian]

Gallagher said he didn’t think there was much contact .Warnock said he was torn but Sue Smith said it was a foul .
As for the Trincao follow up Gallagher said he was off the pitch -A) that is irrelevant in active play and B) I have replayed it several times and at worst Trincao was on the line .
What I do know having officiated with him he is a Man Utd fan so I I am not surprised about his myopia .

I thought if a foul took place off the pitch then the following applied:

if a player leaves the field of play as part of play and commits an offence against another player, play is restarted with a free kick taken on the boundary line nearest to where the offence occurred; for direct free kick offences a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area’

This is quite extraordinary. A foul outside the lines can be a penalty if committed in the space behind the penalty area, 44 yards wide. If you wonder why you’ve never seen this called, it’s because the provision was only added in 2016.

 

[Jonzy54]

I thought if a foul took place off the pitch then the following applied:

if a player leaves the field of play as part of play and commits an offence against another player, play is restarted with a free kick taken on the boundary line nearest to where the offence occurred; for direct free kick offences a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area’

This is quite extraordinary. A foul outside the lines can be a penalty if committed in the space behind the penalty area, 44 yards wide. If you wonder why you’ve never seen this called, it’s because the provision was only added in 2016.

Correct

 

[old wittonian]

Correct

So Gallagher was wrong then. If Trincao was off the pitch it was still a penalty.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

Mate seriously....Legal...
Bit OTT.
I like your posts but come on. There are **** decisions every week. Check any forum it will be the same. I'm just as disappointed as everyone else but I think we need a little bit of perspective here... not go into victim mentality.

Whether that’s OTT or not depends on whether you think the decisions are errors made by idiots, or reflect clear bias for or against certain teams or managers?

Gut feeling suggests the latter, but you’re right, it’s entirely possible that’s just subjective reaction to one or more decisions going against your team. If the club of fan with resources suspected it may be bias, then they could employ a qualified expert to review decisions over a period of games, and objectively determine if there appeared to be bias from one or more refs. If there appeared to be evidence, then they could decide how to proceed, and yes ultimately, that might involve legal action.

I have to admit, the constant flow of rubbish decisions is getting to me!

 

[Ginger Chimp]

I think your missing your your cup of Ovaltine and bed time

I think many are missing his sarcasm and references to the past.

 

[Jonzy54]

So Gallagher was wrong then. If Trincao was off the pitch it was still a penalty.

Yes but doubly so because he wasn’t

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Can the league not hire ref's from other countries? Bloody better than the so called professionals we have.

Can you see that happening in Boris's Brexit Britain? I can't. You have seen what they have said about the tens of thousands of missing lorry-drivers: 'train up the replacements yourself!'. Can't see foreign PL referees being high on the priority list for imported labour!

 

[chignalwolf]

Can the league not hire ref's from other countries? Bloody better than the so called professionals we have.

i think we should, to much personal pay back with our refs, there is a such a shortage of officials we just have to rely on below average standard officials,

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Well said Pope WickedWolfie...

His eminence

 

[GoldenHorseshoe]

You know what I think mate, I think Bruno Lage may be missing his family. That's what I think.

You get worse not better,

 

[Jefe]

Having seen a replay and taken note of Dean's reaction; first he appears to wince at the force of the challenge, then he appears to make the globe hand gesture indicating Pogba had won the ball. Not only does Pogba miss the ball by a clear margin, he commits a yellow / orange card offence by catching Ruben way above the ankle, studs showing. The force of the challenge alone was enough for a foul.

For Dean to miss that from three yards away is a stunning display of incompetence. For him to then overrule the request of VAR to look at the foul on the monitor betrays something more. Either his trademark immeasurable arrogance, or his bias towards Manchester United.

 

[steve vena]

Gallagher said he didn’t think there was much contact .Warnock said he was torn but Sue Smith said it was a foul .
As for the Trincao follow up Gallagher said he was off the pitch -A) that is irrelevant in active play and B) I have replayed it several times and at worst Trincao was on the line .
What I do know having officiated with him he is a Man Utd fan so I I am not surprised about his myopia .

Even if Gallagher said not much contact mate is it not dangerous play going over the top?

 

[Big Saft Kid]

Here is a replay of the incident. Take note of Dean's reaction; first he appears to wince at the force of the challenge, then he appears to make the globe hand gesture indicating Pogba had won the ball. As we can see, not only does Pogba miss the ball by a clear margin, he commits a yellow / orange card offence by catching Ruben way above the ankle, studs showing. The force of the challenge alone was enough for a foul.

For Dean to miss that from three yards away is a stunning display of incompetence. For him to then overrule the request of VAR to look at the foul on the monitor betrays something more. Either his trademark immeasurable arrogance, or his bias towards Manchester United.

Is this meant to be a joke?

 

[Focke Wolf]

Yep on motd2 last night Dean told VAR he’d seen it and it was fine.

Also in the same program Jermaine Jenus and Dion Dublin looked at the footage and suggested that Dean ‘winced’ when he saw the tackle. If he did wince then I feel there are serious questions to answer.

 

[Dan G WWFC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1432349099811131398

 

[SE10 Wolf]

There have been too many iffy decisions against us since promotion; decisions that are clearly wrong on review. I don't want to think it, but I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more than incompetence at play here.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

There have been too many iffy decisions against us since promotion; decisions that are clearly wrong on review. I don't want to think it, but I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more than incompetence at play here.

Likewise. Funny how it seems to be specific refs for the most part.

 

[maws]

How many decisions has Dean given for us, penalties, red cards etc? Seriously it’s all one way traffic

 

[SE10 Wolf]

Likewise. Funny how it seems to be specific refs for the most part.

Quite. I do think Nuno's comments on the ref (I forget who) last term consolidated an anti-WWFC feeling in some officials' minds. As it stands, it hasn't 'evened out' over the past three seasons and looks to be getting worse based on the the two 'pens' v Spurs and the 'non-fouls' in yesterday's affair.

For me, and I'm still rather cross about it all (have been since we lost those points to LCFC home and away) so forgive the emotive tone, I think the club should make a formal complaint about the variations in application of VAR between games, officials and clubs/opponents, and the rules in general, and seek written clarification and confirmation that the incidents cited with video evidence (of which there are far too many to chose, VVD handball, Burnley, Doc handball etc etc) were incorrect.

Once I saw Dean was officiating yesterday I knew there'd be something to boil my blood, and told several of my Utd-supporting friends. Hey-bloody-Presto, he ensures VAR doesn't review the Pogba challenge...

In summary: hurrumph!

 

[Rhoswolf]

There have been too many iffy decisions against us since promotion; decisions that are clearly wrong on review. I don't want to think it, but I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more than incompetence at play here.

Have to agree, with the amount of money involved and the worldwide betting associated with the game it would be naïve, in the extreme, to believe there is no corruption in the game.

 

[Jonzy54]

Even if Gallagher said not much contact mate is it not dangerous play going over the top?

It would have just been a yellow for me

 

[Jonzy54]

How many decisions has Dean given for us, penalties, red cards etc? Seriously it’s all one way traffic

I can’t recall anything major that has gone our way

 

[Jonzy54]

Quite. I do think Nuno's comments on the ref (I forget who) last term consolidated an anti-WWFC feeling in some officials' minds. As it stands, it hasn't 'evened out' over the past three seasons and looks to be getting worse based on the the two 'pens' v Spurs and the 'non-fouls' in yesterday's affair.

For me, and I'm still rather cross about it all (have been since we lost those points to LCFC home and away) so forgive the emotive tone, I think the club should make a formal complaint about the variations in application of VAR between games, officials and clubs/opponents, and the rules in general, and seek written clarification and confirmation that the incidents cited with video evidence (of which there are far too many to chose, VVD handball, Burnley, Doc handball etc etc) were incorrect.

Once I saw Dean was officiating yesterday I knew there'd be something to boil my blood, and told several of my Utd-supporting friends. Hey-bloody-Presto, he ensures VAR doesn't review the Pogba challenge...

In summary: hurrumph!

Mason

 

[old wittonian]

Even if Gallagher said not much contact mate is it not dangerous play going over the top?

Perhaps the ref should carry some sort of swingometer to measure the amount of contact by which to decide the colour of any card.

 

[SE10 Wolf]

Mason

That's the badger. Thanks.

 

[Chris H]

Bumping this after seeing he’s making inroads on Hollywood with his cameo on Ted Lasso.

Gave him a talking line too, can his ego withstand the extra attention and adoration?!

 

[Jonzy54]

He is on VAR at the Arsenal v Norwich game today

 

[Wolf of Wall Heath]

Bumping this after seeing he’s making inroads on Hollywood with his cameo on Ted Lasso.

Gave him a talking line too, can his ego withstand the extra attention and adoration?!

I thought the fact that in the match he awards a pen that was never a pen was just so so meta and the writers must be ****ing with him.

 

[WickedWolfie]

I have said it before, the reason you will never be allowed to hear what the officials are saying to each is ego. In cricket the DRS ( Decision Review System ) umpire can clearly be heard saying to millions at home " So and so I am going to have to get you change your on field decision " can you imagine that sanctimonious tin pot ego maniac Dean allowing someone to say that to him with God knows how many watching around the world.

I have just found out that Mike Riley mouth piece Dermot Gallagher has been on Sky saying it was the right decision. That man is an utter joke ( along with that equally pathetic parrot Peter Walton ) as they just do nothing but look after the incompetent buffoons in the middle. It was an utter joy on the recent Lions Tour of South Africa to hear recently retired referee Nigel Owens actually say things like " Well I cannot understand that decision " or " He has clearly got that wrong " words that I guarantee you will have to listen very hard to hear come out of the mouths of Gallagher or Walton.

Which is why rugby refs and cricket umpires are respected even when they make mistakes whereas PGMOL are universally despised and treated with the contempt that they undoubtedly deserve. "Professional"? Well they are paid to do it, but in terms of competence.....

 

[Plastic Shrapnel]

He is on VAR at the Arsenal v Norwich game today

Missed the handball in the build up to the Arsenal goal then.

 

[Jonzy54]

Missed the handball in the build up to the Arsenal goal then.

I haven’t seen it yet

 

[wayne-the-wanderer]

Although I'm usually the first to bash the ref i thought Bankes was excellent today

 

[stuj4z]

Missed the handball in the build up to the Arsenal goal then.

Wasn't handball

 

[bennymacca]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/57739622

Newcastle 1-1 Leeds

Alistair Magowan

BBC Sport at St James Park

Mike Dean gets in the way, and 50,000 Geordies scream at him to shift. Steve Bruce sums it up by slamming his water bottle into the floor.

"Mike Dean, it's all about you" rings out from the Gallowgate End, and not for the first time this evening.