Lopetegui

[Fifty Niner]

He is though….. you don’t work at the clubs and manage Spain and win a Europa league if you aren’t elite.

I think only Camacho had a shorter reign at Real Madrid, quitting after 6 games. Lopetegui was fired after 14.

 

[wolfslair]

I think only Camacho had a shorter reign at Real Madrid, quitting after 6 games. Lopetegui was fired after 14.

Like Nuno at spurs……

The dressing room at real Madrid was very very toxic then! Not many would have survived there.

Big chunk of that failure was on the attitude of the players

 

[Stourport wolf]

Like Nuno at spurs……

The dressing room at real Madrid was very very toxic then! Not many would have survived there.

Big chunk of that failure was on the attitude of the players

He should never been the manager of Real Madrid. He had done nothing in League football, to merit the job. He lasted 14 matches, which was 5 more than his last club in Spain, which was at Real Vallecano, where he lasted 9.
Elite managers have to be able to manage elite players. He was out of his depth.

 

[wolfslair]

He should never been the manager of Real Madrid. He had done nothing in League football, to merit the job. He lasted 14 matches, which was 5 more than his last club in Spain, which was at Real Vallecano, where he lasted 9.
Elite managers have to be able to manage elite players. He was out of his depth.

At Madrid, for sure he was out of his depth.

That club needs a “galactico” in the dug out to match or have a greater reputation than the payers. He was never that.

 

[WickedWolfie]

He should never been the manager of Real Madrid. He had done nothing in League football, to merit the job. He lasted 14 matches, which was 5 more than his last club in Spain, which was at Real Vallecano, where he lasted 9.
Elite managers have to be able to manage elite players. He was out of his depth.

You mean like Clough at Leeds for example. The message JL was taking to an aging pampered dressing room wasn't one that they wanted to hear. Just like Cloughie....

 

[Stourport wolf]

At Madrid, for sure he was out of his depth.

That club needs a “galactico” in the dug out to match or have a greater reputation than the payers. He was never that.

Vicente del Bosque - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Del Bosque was not a Galatico, but a humble man. He could manage elite players, win every trophy, including a Workd Cup. He never **** on any club caused problems, or negotiated with another club, while he was in management.

Chalk and Cheese!

 

[Stourport wolf]

You mean like Clough at Leeds for example. The message JL was taking to an aging pampered dressing room wasn't one that they wanted to hear. Just like Cloughie....

What had Lopetegui ever done in club management, to merit the Real Madrid job?

Since his sacking in 2003 at Real Vallecano after 9 matches, until he took over at Real Madrid in 2018, could you tell us how many years he was employed as a club manager in-between the 2 jobs?


He was out of his depth.

 

[Bill McCai]

Everything is going swimmingly with the new manager.

As for Real Madrid/Spain and what constitutes success - it is unfair to make comparisons until we see how GoN performs when he gets those roles later in his career.

 

[wolfslair]

Vicente del Bosque - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Del Bosque was not a Galatico, but a humble man. He could manage elite players, win every trophy, including a Workd Cup. He never **** on any club caused problems, or negotiated with another club, while he was in management.

Chalk and Cheese!

You do realise you have neglected to put in your reply that del bosque played for Real Madrid for years, easily between 350-400 time and also coached their reserves set up
Which like Barca was seen at the time as the apprenticeship to the main job.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

What had Lopetegui ever done in club management, to merit the Real Madrid job?
He was out of his depth.

He was the Spanish national manager, having just qualified for the WC at a canter, when RM offered him the job. I think it’s easy to understand why they went for him. He likely got the national job because he’d previously been the manager of their junior teams, so that makes sense too. Whether his club experiences made him suitable to take on RM is a good question, but it wouldn’t be the first time a club has appointed a former national team coach and regretted it…

 

[The White Mouse]

Let's be honest, yesterday's performance would not have happened on Lopetegui's watch. We crumbled in a couple of away days last year but 1-4 in his first game at Molineux, where Lopetegui earned the most home clean sheets in the whole League last year, is utterly laughable from GON.

Strange statement when he presided over some of our worst ever premier league results…or do away games not count any more?

 

[The White Mouse]

Lop still the best manager we've had in decades and yes, that includes Nuno, as much as the latter was great, Lop's CV is superior.

The fact we couldn't keep him speaks volumes about FOSUN's utter lack of ambition and strategy for the club.

One of the strangest and most untrue things I’ve ever read on here

 

[Scallywolf]

Lop still the best manager we've had in decades and yes, that includes Nuno, as much as the latter was great, Lop's CV is superior.

The fact we couldn't keep him speaks volumes about FOSUN's utter lack of ambition and strategy for the club.

I don’t think I’ll even remember his name in 5 years time!

 

[Jd132]

Strange statement when he presided over some of our worst ever premier league results…or do away games not count any more?

Did you just bold type on the first sentence without reading the rest of the paragraph? I referenced the away form in the very next sentence!

 

[Adrian_Monk]

You can now see why Lopetegui was clamouring for new signings far more clearly. He quickly leaned the only way for us to pick up points was to play to the squad's strengths and implement a low block. Once we were safe, then we saw him testing the adjustability of the squad. The experiments against Brighton and Arsenal, where he inexplicably pushed the full-backs onto the half way line and exposed Kilman and Dawson with a high line were, IMV, partly experiment to see how bad the players he had were at playing the style he wanted to implement and partly a signal to the idiots upstairs that whilst we have adequate players when playing a 'backs to the wall' system, we lack adaptability or options in the squad to play a different way. He wanted us to play on the front foot and get greater numbers in the box. He wanted us to shift our system 5 yards further forward.

Fast forward on to several months and a pre season later and it was very clear what Lopetegui was doing. From pre-season there were signs that he had improved the team's cohesion, so that the players we have are better at attacking in numbers.

We have a ball carrier in Cunha, a screen in Lemina and a more mobile roaming playmaker in Gomes. But to play the way he wanted to play we are still lacking a goalkeeper who can play with his feet so we can start 5 yards further up the field, a 'second player' in the Nunes role (the importance of which we will now see first hand with him being suspended) and a quicker centre half. Can anyone seriously still think Lopetegui was wrong to demand what is seemingly not a radical overhaul?

Instead there are a bunch of misquotes and falsehoods that he has moaned the squad isn't good enough and this was damaging morale. Wake up people you're buying into the propaganda. According to some podcasts (and on here) Gary O'Neil has given everyone a lift and is encouraging them to express themselves after three training sessions. Yep, people honestly think that a new manager can change things that much in three sessions. I didn't see too much relief on the players faces when they ran out for the second half.

The squad had been too heavy, but after the sales it is even more one dimensional. We need options, otherwise even O'Neil will quickly realise we have to retreat back to safety first, but we won't have Lopetegui's nous and experience to guide us through. Very worrying times.

 

[Stourport wolf]

He was the Spanish national manager, having just qualified for the WC at a canter, when RM offered him the job. I think it’s easy to understand why they went for him. He likely got the national job because he’d previously been the manager of their junior teams, so that makes sense too. Whether his club experiences made him suitable to take on RM is a good question, but it wouldn’t be the first time a club has appointed a former national team coach and regretted it…

Good points and I agree on most of your post. My point is in Spain you don't have to be good club manager, or have almost no experience at club management, to be selected as the national coach. The new manager, De La fuentes the latest manager, has almost no first team club experience and ge is the manager of Spain.

I say this, because it gets repeated on here, that he is an elite manager, because he managed Spain and Real Madrid, but the point is, you almost need no club experience, or very little and definitely no success as a club manager to manage Spain.
He did not get the Real Madrid job, because he had been a successful club manager. He didn't uget the Spain job because he had been a ķsuccessful club manager. That debunks the argument he is an elite manager, because he managed Spain and Real Madrid, which has always been my point.

 

[Bill McCai]

You can now see why Lopetegui was clamouring for new signings far more clearly. He quickly leaned the only way for us to pick up points was to play to the squad's strengths and implement a low block. Once we were safe, then we saw him testing the adjustability of the squad. The experiments against Brighton and Arsenal, where he inexplicably pushed the full-backs onto the half way line and exposed Kilman and Dawson with a high line were, IMV, partly experiment to see how bad the players he had were at playing the style he wanted to implement and partly a signal to the idiots upstairs that whilst we have adequate players when playing a 'backs to the wall' system, we lack adaptability or options in the squad to play a different way. He wanted us to play on the front foot and get greater numbers in the box. He wanted us to shift our system 5 yards further forward.

Fast forward on to several months and a pre season later and it was very clear what Lopetegui was doing. From pre-season there were signs that he had improved the team's cohesion, so that the players we have are better at attacking in numbers.

We have a ball carrier in Cunha, a screen in Lemina and a more mobile roaming playmaker in Gomes. But to play the way he wanted to play we are still lacking a goalkeeper who can play with his feet so we can start 5 yards further up the field, a 'second player' in the Nunes role (the importance of which we will now see first hand with him being suspended) and a quicker centre half. Can anyone seriously still think Lopetegui was wrong to demand what is seemingly not a radical overhaul?

Instead there are a bunch of misquotes and falsehoods that he has moaned the squad isn't good enough and this was damaging morale. Wake up people you're buying into the propaganda. According to some podcasts (and on here) Gary O'Neil has given everyone a lift and is encouraging them to express themselves after three training sessions. Yep, people honestly think that a new manager can change things that much in three sessions. I didn't see too much relief on the players faces when they ran out for the second half.

The squad has been too heavy, but after the sales it is even more one dimensional. We need options, otherwise even O'Neil will quickly realise we have to retreat back to safety first, but we won't have Lopetegui's nous and experience to guide us through. Very worrying times.

In a nutshell.

 

[bigwolf]

You can now see why Lopetegui was clamouring for new signings far more clearly. He quickly leaned the only way for us to pick up points was to play to the squad's strengths and implement a low block. Once we were safe, then we saw him testing the adjustability of the squad. The experiments against Brighton and Arsenal, where he inexplicably pushed the full-backs onto the half way line and exposed Kilman and Dawson with a high line were, IMV, partly experiment to see how bad the players he had were at playing the style he wanted to implement and partly a signal to the idiots upstairs that whilst we have adequate players when playing a 'backs to the wall' system, we lack adaptability or options in the squad to play a different way. He wanted us to play on the front foot and get greater numbers in the box. He wanted us to shift our system 5 yards further forward.

Fast forward on to several months and a pre season later and it was very clear what Lopetegui was doing. From pre-season there were signs that he had improved the team's cohesion, so that the players we have are better at attacking in numbers.

We have a ball carrier in Cunha, a screen in Lemina and a more mobile roaming playmaker in Gomes. But to play the way he wanted to play we are still lacking a goalkeeper who can play with his feet so we can start 5 yards further up the field, a 'second player' in the Nunes role (the importance of which we will now see first hand with him being suspended) and a quicker centre half. Can anyone seriously still think Lopetegui was wrong to demand what is seemingly not a radical overhaul?

Instead there are a bunch of misquotes and falsehoods that he has moaned the squad isn't good enough and this was damaging morale. Wake up people you're buying into the propaganda. According to some podcasts (and on here) Gary O'Neil has given everyone a lift and is encouraging them to express themselves after three training sessions. Yep, people honestly think that a new manager can change things that much in three sessions. I didn't see too much relief on the players faces when they ran out for the second half.

The squad has been too heavy, but after the sales it is even more one dimensional. We need options, otherwise even O'Neil will quickly realise we have to retreat back to safety first, but we won't have Lopetegui's nous and experience to guide us through. Very worrying times.

That post is far too sensible for this forum.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Good points and I agree on most of your post. My point is in Spain you don't have to be good club manager, or have almost no experience at club management, to be selected as the national coach. The new manager, De La fuentes the latest manager, has almost no first team club experience and ge is the manager of Spain.

I say this, because it gets repeated on here, that he is an elite manager, because he managed Spain and Real Madrid, but the point is, you almost need no club experience, or very little and definitely no success as a club manager to manage Spain.
He did not get the Real Madrid job, because he had been a successful club manager. He didn't uget the Spain job because he had been a ķsuccessful club manager. That debunks the argument he is an elite manager, because he managed Spain and Real Madrid, which has always been my point.

I'm not going to debate JL with you anymore. You were always predisposed to blame him if anything went wrong. Given that l have not trusted our ownership since the day Nuno was fired l was always predisposed to support him. Not just blind support either - l always said that he was the only manager l would easily accept replacing Nuno. I strongly suspect that, as ever, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

In any event it is all irrelevant. He has gone and we now have, at best, to face another relegation battle.

 

[Perton Wolf]

One of the strangest and most untrue things I’ve ever read on here

He's blatantly a superior coach to any neutral observer, Nuno's case is hardly going to be helped if he keeps coaching in Saudi either.

 

[The White Mouse]

He's blatantly a superior coach to any neutral observer, Nuno's case is hardly going to be helped if he keeps coaching in Saudi either.

in your opinion.

 

[Bostin]

Why are people still talking about him?

 

[The White Mouse]

Did you just bold type on the first sentence without reading the rest of the paragraph? I referenced the away form in the very next sentence!

no, the bit in bold was highlighting the part which is blatantly untrue as he was in charge for some of our worst ever results thats all

 

[North West Wanderer]

Let's be honest, yesterday's performance would not have happened on Lopetegui's watch. We crumbled in a couple of away days last year but 1-4 in his first game at Molineux, where Lopetegui earned the most home clean sheets in the whole League last year, is utterly laughable from GON.

He's just a yes-man for Hobbs and Shi. Can we just **** him off now?

we’d have lost 6-0 on his watch….

 

[Bill McCai]

Because he was our manager until 2 weeks ago, and we decided to replace him with GoN.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

So to be clear Real Madrid appointed a coach who wasn't really qualified to coach the level of player they had at the time. He didn't really have anywhere near experience in club football and hadn't really achieved anything.

So basically just like us appointing O'Neil.

 

[Fenrir_]

You can now see why Lopetegui was clamouring for new signings far more clearly. He quickly leaned the only way for us to pick up points was to play to the squad's strengths and implement a low block. Once we were safe, then we saw him testing the adjustability of the squad. The experiments against Brighton and Arsenal, where he inexplicably pushed the full-backs onto the half way line and exposed Kilman and Dawson with a high line were, IMV, partly experiment to see how bad the players he had were at playing the style he wanted to implement and partly a signal to the idiots upstairs that whilst we have adequate players when playing a 'backs to the wall' system, we lack adaptability or options in the squad to play a different way. He wanted us to play on the front foot and get greater numbers in the box. He wanted us to shift our system 5 yards further forward.

Fast forward on to several months and a pre season later and it was very clear what Lopetegui was doing. From pre-season there were signs that he had improved the team's cohesion, so that the players we have are better at attacking in numbers.

We have a ball carrier in Cunha, a screen in Lemina and a more mobile roaming playmaker in Gomes. But to play the way he wanted to play we are still lacking a goalkeeper who can play with his feet so we can start 5 yards further up the field, a 'second player' in the Nunes role (the importance of which we will now see first hand with him being suspended) and a quicker centre half. Can anyone seriously still think Lopetegui was wrong to demand what is seemingly not a radical overhaul?

Instead there are a bunch of misquotes and falsehoods that he has moaned the squad isn't good enough and this was damaging morale. Wake up people you're buying into the propaganda. According to some podcasts (and on here) Gary O'Neil has given everyone a lift and is encouraging them to express themselves after three training sessions. Yep, people honestly think that a new manager can change things that much in three sessions. I didn't see too much relief on the players faces when they ran out for the second half.

The squad has been too heavy, but after the sales it is even more one dimensional. We need options, otherwise even O'Neil will quickly realise we have to retreat back to safety first, but we won't have Lopetegui's nous and experience to guide us through. Very worrying times.

Wonder if this is a bit of the cited "difference of opinion" from Matt Hobbs when we parted ways with Lopetegui. Maybe Hobbs and Wolves felt the squad needed a tweak and Lopetegui felt it needed an overhaul

God knows what any of them think needs changing now!

Last season I was always confident we'd stay up even after the bad start, because I felt we'd sack the idiot and get someone half decent in charge. Two games in this season and I'm already less confident than last

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Just randomly, in the players' boxes (which seemed very quiet compared with what we've been used to) there was a guy in a light pink top. I couldn't quite tell if that was Hobbs, or was he in the directors' area?

 

[Bill McCai]

Hobbs was in the Directors area.

 

[TheConcourse]

I dont blame him for having the ****s with the lack of investment, but his carry on was disgraceful. If he didnt like what was going on, he should have walked instead of making his position what it became. Regardless of what Fosun have done, he's done no better in a lot of ways by deserting his players in the way he has.

Walk away from millions of pounds after a CEO has dragged you across Europe under false pretences?

Not to mention JL will rightly (IMO) think that he's driven another year of PL revenue into Wolves, whilst working with a -20m transfer budget in real time.

Tell me again what JL has done wrong? He's basically told fans the truth. Sure, it's pushed his agenda, and it's resulted in a payoff, but it's not his fault that Jeff played poker so close to the start of the season and got his pants pulled down.

 

[Stourport wolf]

So to be clear Real Madrid appointed a coach who wasn't really qualified to coach the level of player they had at the time. He didn't really have anywhere near experience in club football and hadn't really achieved anything.

So basically just like us appointing O'Neil.

Agreed and even more interesting, is why he was given the job at Oporto, with a record spend, as his only other first team club management experience was 11 years before, where he was sacked at Real Vallecano after 9 matches.

Mendes- Lopetegui = record spend comes to mind.

 

[old wittonian]

He should never been the manager of Real Madrid. He had done nothing in League football, to merit the job. He lasted 14 matches, which was 5 more than his last club in Spain, which was at Real Vallecano, where he lasted 9.
Elite managers have to be able to manage elite players. He was out of his depth.

FFS. Give it a rest. It's all history. We can't change it.

 

[Stourport wolf]

FFS. Give it a rest. It's all history. We can't change it.

Strange how you never say that, when people are still lauding him as an elite manager, but only when I reply that he isn't. People go on about him for days or even weeks about him before I reply. It appears more like you want to shut up one side of the debate that doesn't suit your criteria.

 

[old wittonian]

Strange how you never say that, when people are still lauding him as an elite manager, but only when I reply that he isn't.

He's gone for better or worse. Get over it. People is plural, you are singular. You've made your point. You don't think he is elite others do. I think he is good.

 

[Stourport wolf]

Walk away from millions of pounds after a CEO has dragged you across Europe under false pretences?

Not to mention JL will rightly (IMO) think that he's driven another year of PL revenue into Wolves, whilst working with a -20m transfer budget in real time.

Tell me again what JL has done wrong? He's basically told fans the truth. Sure, it's pushed his agenda, and it's resulted in a payoff, but it's not his fault that Jeff played poker so close to the start of the season and got his pants pulled down.

He manipulated his sacking, with the help of his media freinds. It is nothing new to Lopetegui. Complain publicly about transfers and show that he has no interest, bottle or decency and all he cares about is the pay off and not the club that is employing him.

 

[Stourport wolf]

He's gone for better or worse. Get over it. People is plural, you are singular. You've made your point. You don't think he is elite others do. I think he is good.

Point being, you don't tell the people who think he is elite or good to shut up and they post much more on Lopetegui than I do, which is their right.

 

[old wittonian]

Point being, you don't tell the people who think he is elite or good to shut up and they post much more on Lopetegui than I do, which is their right.

As I recall those who believe he is elite mostly post on results here and what they have seen. You seem to rely on press cuttings.
I wonder why Spain and RM appointed him in the first place
One trick pony springs to mind.

 

[Bankswolf The Third]

You can now see why Lopetegui was clamouring for new signings far more clearly. He quickly leaned the only way for us to pick up points was to play to the squad's strengths and implement a low block. Once we were safe, then we saw him testing the adjustability of the squad. The experiments against Brighton and Arsenal, where he inexplicably pushed the full-backs onto the half way line and exposed Kilman and Dawson with a high line were, IMV, partly experiment to see how bad the players he had were at playing the style he wanted to implement and partly a signal to the idiots upstairs that whilst we have adequate players when playing a 'backs to the wall' system, we lack adaptability or options in the squad to play a different way. He wanted us to play on the front foot and get greater numbers in the box. He wanted us to shift our system 5 yards further forward.

Fast forward on to several months and a pre season later and it was very clear what Lopetegui was doing. From pre-season there were signs that he had improved the team's cohesion, so that the players we have are better at attacking in numbers.

We have a ball carrier in Cunha, a screen in Lemina and a more mobile roaming playmaker in Gomes. But to play the way he wanted to play we are still lacking a goalkeeper who can play with his feet so we can start 5 yards further up the field, a 'second player' in the Nunes role (the importance of which we will now see first hand with him being suspended) and a quicker centre half. Can anyone seriously still think Lopetegui was wrong to demand what is seemingly not a radical overhaul?

Instead there are a bunch of misquotes and falsehoods that he has moaned the squad isn't good enough and this was damaging morale. Wake up people you're buying into the propaganda. According to some podcasts (and on here) Gary O'Neil has given everyone a lift and is encouraging them to express themselves after three training sessions. Yep, people honestly think that a new manager can change things that much in three sessions. I didn't see too much relief on the players faces when they ran out for the second half.

The squad has been too heavy, but after the sales it is even more one dimensional. We need options, otherwise even O'Neil will quickly realise we have to retreat back to safety first, but we won't have Lopetegui's nous and experience to guide us through. Very worrying times.

And it is this sense of forward thinking that makes the whole debacle so depressing. People read so much into Brighton and Arsenal when all it was a classic case of we are safe and trying something different.

The worse thing is what JL was asking for wasnt much but like BL and Nuno before him Jeff doesnt want to be successful he just wants to keep his gold

 

[Mugwump]

Walk away from millions of pounds after a CEO has dragged you across Europe under false pretences?

Not to mention JL will rightly (IMO) think that he's driven another year of PL revenue into Wolves, whilst working with a -20m transfer budget in real time.

Tell me again what JL has done wrong? He's basically told fans the truth. Sure, it's pushed his agenda, and it's resulted in a payoff, but it's not his fault that Jeff played poker so close to the start of the season and got his pants pulled down.

For a start, he abandoned the players, some of which he convinced to come here. Thats a big no no for me. He could have stayed, worked with what he had with no detriment to his reputation.

We dont know how different the plan has become, we dont know if Lopetegui is even telling the whole truth either. He could have known we were limited in our budget, but i dont disagree its been changed either. As i said, i dont blame him for being ****ty, but his handling of it leaves a lot to be desired.

From my point of view, if he was basically saying he couldn't do his job with no signings, on principal he should have just walked instead of scheming to get a payoff.

I'm a fan of him as a manager, but dont try to pretend he told the truth because we just dont know. He's been edging for this move well before it came out we had nothing to spend. It was initially a limited budget, not no budget. If he had any belief in his ability, he would have backed himself to get something out of his squad.

 

[TheConcourse]

For a start, he abandoned the players, some of which he convinced to come here. Thats a big no no for me. He could have stayed, worked with what he had with no detriment to his reputation.

We dont know how different the plan has become, we dont know if Lopetegui is even telling the whole truth either. He could have known we were limited in our budget, but i dont disagree its been changed either. As i said, i dont blame him for being ****ty, but his handling of it leaves a lot to be desired.

From my point of view, if he was basically saying he couldn't do his job with no signings, on principal he should have just walked instead of scheming to get a payoff.

I'm a fan of him as a manager, but dont try to pretend he told the truth because we just dont know. He's been edging for this move well before it came out we had nothing to spend. It was initially a limited budget, not no budget. If he had any belief in his ability, he would have backed himself to get something out of his squad.

But he doesn’t need Wolves? Adding a mid-table finish to a club in the Premier League barely enhances his profile at all.

I suppose it’s possible that he’s sat in front of a camera and lied. But that also means that Hobbs did the same when he talked about £8-£15m transfers.