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Exactly and people have to accept that maybe we need to play defensively to get those results with the goal scorers we have available in our squad
But even when we play defensively we lose...and it was not what Bruno ball was supposed to be about. Our play is slow, turgid and boring and like Nunos last 6 months, the manager seems incapable of changing it.
 

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Very true but they are arguably the best team in the world at present
They may be and we could/would have lost regardless but the set up and lack of effort and ideas is what is signing Bruno’s death knell. Last year we lost 1-0 at the Etihad due to a dubious penalty and being down to 10 men for 45 minutes. But there was effort in the performance, it may not have been pretty but it wasn’t apathetic. When players are apathetic it’s because they’re not being motivated by the manager/coach.
 

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But even when we play defensively we lose...and it was not what Bruno ball was supposed to be about. Our play is slow, turgid and boring and like Nunos last 6 months, the manager seems incapable of changing it.
Yes maybe so and he won't get forever but deserves the chance to find out with his new signings
 

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But even when we play defensively we lose...and it was not what Bruno ball was supposed to be about. Our play is slow, turgid and boring and like Nunos last 6 months, the manager seems incapable of changing it.
It was slow and turgid under Nuno but he still had the players on side. The was still effort there.

We're allowing teams to dictate the play at Molineux right in front of us. It's a joke.
 

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Completely agree, but we've played the Champions before whether it be Liverpool or Man City and not looked as hopeless.

Well, we've beaten them or taken them all the way to the wire.
But we was 1-0 behind in less than a minute and had 10 men. If Guedes is more clinical with his chance then who knows but our problems stem from goal scorers in the squad
 

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They may be and we could/would have lost regardless but the set up and lack of effort and ideas is what is signing Bruno’s death knell. Last year we lost 1-0 at the Etihad due to a dubious penalty and being down to 10 men for 45 minutes. But there was effort in the performance, it may not have been pretty but it wasn’t apathetic. When players are apathetic it’s because they’re not being motivated by the manager/coach.
Most managers would have taken off podence and put a centre half on. Maybe he would aswell if we was winning. He kept the extra attacker on as we was losing we carved out a good chance for Guedes but lack of a clinical edge might have given us more belief
 

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But we was 1-0 behind in less than a minute and had 10 men. If Guedes is more clinical with his chance then who knows but our problems stem from goal scorers in the squad
Yeah we can't score but there's no work rate there off the ball. We rarely bomb forward and overload the opposition. We stand off and let the opposition dictate play on our own patch.

Our counterattacking game is gone. The one we used to cause havoc with under Nuno.

We can't just blame it on a lack of striker.
 

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And suddenly it's 6 wins out of 7 for the England cricket team instead of 1 out of 17.

Excellent post, couldn't have put it better myself! I think Lage is a total control freak. His behaviour on the touchline when things don't go to plan also suggests that. Goes ballistic but hasn't got a clue what to do to change things
Stokesy, Root, Baz Macullum, all like to attack and take the initiative. Its their game and it breeds positivity. Look at the great Aussie side of the 2000s. Ponting, Warney, Gilchrist , Mcgrath, Brett Lee, all aggressive characters and attitudes....winners . We don't have that ...we have trigger. A damp squib! He couldn't inspire a 3 toed sloth tbh.
Nuno inspired a whole club and a whole city!
 

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I think he'll get the West Ham game. If we lose that we'll be in the bottom three so a decision will have to be made.
 

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To hear some talk all we need to do is swop managers every time we lose and we will be top of the league. Where do you think man city would be with Bruno in charge? Where would wolves be with Guardiola in charge?
If Guardiola were in charge we'd be much closer the top of the league than we are now.

If Lage were in charge of City, he'd be sacked.
 

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Yeah we can't score but there's no work rate there off the ball. We rarely bomb forward and overload the opposition. We stand off and let the opposition dictate play on our own patch.

Our counterattacking game is gone. The one we used to cause havoc with under Nuno.

We can't just blame it on a lack of striker.
We're playing with a back 4 higher line trying to play possession football it's a different system with inverted wingers that relys on a presence in the box playing balls into an 1 2s and getting shots off
 

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The players we have dont have the stamina/ fitness to succesfully play a pressing game..... that is absolutely down to Bruno/ his coaching staff.
No wonder, Bruno’s coaching staff appears to be a bloke with a spreadsheet and a joker who should be running a pub in Wales somewhere. Hardly Premier League is it, Shrewsbury probably have a better set up.
 

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If Guardiola were in charge we'd be much closer the top of the league than we are now.

If Lage were in charge of City, he'd be sacked.
Well that would be nice to see how good these top class managers actually are when they don't have the best players for every position
 

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We're playing with a back 4 higher line trying to play possession football it's a different system with inverted wingers that relys on a presence in the box playing balls into an 1 2s and getting shots off
I am well aware of that, you can have more than one player in the box at one time though.
 

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Stever mentioned sasa coming in before it happened. He seems itk when you look at his post history.
Oh absolutely, he clearly has a handle on what's going on at the club. He knew about Coady too.

I very rarely head anything about players, but I do know people connected with the ins and outs of Wolves' backroom goings on. They've both, independently, heard something is a-brewing.
 

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Watch the highlights of the spurs game and see how many we had in the box. That's what we have to aspire to
What 45 bright minutes out of a possible 1,350?

And we haven't seen it replicated in the 405 minutes since that.

It goes to show the team has the ability and potential but it isn't being applied.
 

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What 45 bright minutes out of a possible 1,350?

And we haven't seen it replicated in the 405 minutes since that.

It goes to show the team has the ability and potential but it isn't being applied.
Yes maybe and he won't get forever to make it happen but I didn't see him shouting at players to get back or what you doing up there. The players have to also make things happen aswell
 
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This group of players right here an
Oh absolutely, he clearly has a handle on what's going on at the club. He knew about Coady too.

I very rarely head anything about players, but I do know people connected with the ins and outs of Wolves' backroom goings on. They've both, independently, heard something is a-brewing.
The players right here and right now should be performing better even withstanding the main striker issue.
The suddeness of coady's departure and veiled comments is worrying. The quick departure of dendoncker is troubling too. I used to say to people that you need players like saiss and dendoncker as squad players and now we are missing this. The manager should have belief in mosquera and gomes.
Did Jose Sa really joke with de bruyne in the tunnel about 'going easy on us'. We need a winning mentality. Can't be defeatist before we start.
 

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This group of players right here an

The players right here and right now should be performing better even withstanding the main striker issue.
The suddeness of coady's departure and veiled comments is worrying. The quick departure of dendoncker is troubling too. I used to say to people that you need players like saiss and dendoncker as squad players and now we are missing this. The manager shojld have belief in mosquera and gomes.
Just like Leicester, the players are more than responsible but who will pay for it?

It's always the manager that pays the price.

Agree with the Dendonker, Coady, Saiss comments. Didn't agree with it at the time and still don't now.
 

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Would imagine if he is gone, we won’t hear for a couple of days due to a) queens funeral/mourning period and b) I imagine they want to follow up his dismissal quite quickly with the replacement, so probably want to make sure ducks are lined up there before setting the wheels in motion, will be interesting to see what happens this week anyway
 

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Give him till Christmas and we might see a different team
Give him til Xmas, but the season pauses in early November?

We then sack him after the Villa game, bring in a new man who has little to no time to assess the squad and put together a transfer plan for Sellars and the board.

It would be suicide.
 

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We need to act
Sums Bruno ball up to be honest.View attachment 30340
This is why I think he needs to go - it's not a couple of games, it's a long term trend, continuing from last season. It's not just that we haven't got a great striker and we're missing loads of chances, it's the whole set-up, we just don't create anything. None of the players seem to know what they're meant to do going forwards. Bruno had a whole preseason to establish a way of playing, even if not with a settled 1st 11. I fear we'll go down if we stick with the status quo (with Forest and Bournemouth), even if Costa gets up to speed (what's he going to do if we never get the ball anywhere near him - could be just like when we had Willian Jose and gave him zero service in the box).
 

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You say that like these teams are supposed to roll over to us. Did Newcastle beat Bournemouth the weekend with there new £60 million striker. What we was saying is if we can repeat what we achieved at spurs then we're onto something

No, because Bournemouth have improved for some reason. Oh yes, they sacked their manager :) Also, Newcastle are going through a similar problem to us. They are trying to transition from a counter-attacking side, to a more dominant style. And it isn't working all that well, similar to us. Though they've only had a few weeks of it. We've had since the start of last season and are getting worse. Can well see Howe being moved on at Newcastle for similar reasons to Lage with us. OK as somebody to tread water. But not good enough to manage 100 millions of pounds worth of talent.
 

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Give him til Xmas, but the season pauses in early November?

We then sack him after the Villa game, bring in a new man who has little to no time to assess the squad and put together a transfer plan for Sellars and the board.

It would be suicide.
This is the problem the new man has to assess his squad and draw up a transfer plan then the new signings if he gets any have to settle buy a house etc that could cause more problems than we have already and in my view only worth risking when we realise the team is going nowhere left as it is
 
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