January 2024 transfer window thread.

[AndyWolves]

Gomes lacks height, which the really top drawer CDMs have. Kante being the exception

 

[Lobo de Ouro]

Ummm, I’m not quite sure that is the case. Palhinha is pretty much the finished article, Gomes is not there yet. He’s doing very well and on an upward trajectory, but he’s still mostly about promising potential.
He could end up much better than Palhinha, but how to judge and value potential is tough to call.

One is slightly overhyped and one is very underappreciated (outside of Wolves)... I don't think there's a big difference in quality, personally. And would confidently predict our Joao to go on to be better.

Tbh, I don't think there's a big difference between Palhinha and Lemina either and their respective valuations are apparently 10 times apart.

 

[wwbug]

We do have to wait as it just missed biting us (until the summer)

Just missed ! Neves , Moutinho , Costa , Coady , Nunes, Collins , Traore , Jimmy all big salaries and money in to the pot . Six months back . We have done our clearing of the decks others haven’t .

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Gomes lacks height, which the really top drawer CDMs have. Kante being the exception

Kante had a motor for a short guy. What his game was about all over the pitch. Champions league final against city he ran the show on his own. Nobody gave chelsea a chance that game.

If Gomes can get to that level then fair play

 

[Lobo de Ouro]

Kante had a motor for a short guy. What his game was about all over the pitch. Champions league final against city he ran the show on his own. Nobody gave chelsea a chance that game.

If Gomes can get to that level then fair play

I see a bit of the Kante grit in Gomes... very skillful and can pick a pass too... so maybe Kante mixed with Xavi and Busquets? ......not that I'm going overboard at all.

Those three rolled into one should be at least £400m....

So **** off Spurs.

 

[Kebab Warrior]

Gomes lacks height, which the really top drawer CDMs have. Kante being the exception

I don’t see height as being essential in a defensive midfielder

 

[AndyWolves]

I don’t see height as being essential in a defensive midfielder

It's not, but it's something Palhinha, Rodri, etc have. It's an added bonus

 

[JadeWolf]

Moutinho was only 5 foot 7 (of football heaven)!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I don’t see height as being essential in a defensive midfielder

The days of Patrick Viera am over step forward Joao Gomes and Mario Lemina

 

[Surrey Wolf]

As they do with every major corporate. For a long time Fosun have had the closest relationship with CCP Shanghai bosses. And the 3rd most powerful politician in China is regularly seen at Fosun events, which is viewed as official endorsement. And, Guo has formed part of business delegations sent to forge links with the Middle East and France in the last six months.

yes indeed. The additional summer appointments were reported as forging closer ties with the govt, but as you says Fosun will have had ccp members in it's organisation for a long time prior to the 6 or so further additions they made last summer.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

yes indeed. The additional summer appointments were reported as forging closer ties with the govt, but as you says Fosun will have had ccp members in it's organisation for a long time prior to the 6 or so further additions they made last summer.

Wonder why turned the tap off even small investment would help. Guess we see the accounts soon. They must of bank rolled last January and said enough is enough??

If the top teams cherry picking off others up to us to cherry pick off the championship and other leagues

 

[Ercall Wolves]

Moutinho was only 5 foot 7 (of football heaven)!

He was football heaven but never 5 foot 7

 

[Summer_Wolf]

Maybe teams weren't expecting a 10 deduction for Everton. Now they are worried.

I think we were, hence Jeff's letter here in the summer about ensuring we passed FFP. Can see why we were so cautious in the summer now. Jeff Shi: Letter to supporters

 

[Krispy Kreme]

Gomes lacks height, which the really top drawer CDMs have. Kante being the exception

Caicedo £100m?

 

[Brockmoorwolf]

Gomes lacks height, which the really top drawer CDMs have. Kante being the exception

Caicedo 100 million is same height i believe.

 

[WISAW]

I think we were, hence Jeff's letter here in the summer about ensuring we passed FFP. Can see why we were so cautious in the summer now. Jeff Shi: Letter to supporters

Yet I recall the absolute bull**** abuse some fans were dishing out to the club/hierarchy. Should hang their heads in shame.

 

[Brockmoorwolf]

Yet I recall the absolute bull**** abuse some fans were dishing out to the club/hierarchy. Should hang their heads in shame.

Let he who has not sinned caste the first stone....

 

[AndyWolves]

Caicedo 100 million is same height i believe.

Chelsea.....

 

[Highlandwolf2]

Let he who has not sinned caste the first stone....

 

[Krispy Kreme]

Chelsea.....

Liverpool bid over £90 m for him.

He's the Kanye mould of defensive mid, doing the running of two players.

Gomes is similar in my eyes.

 

[mcwolf]

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[waggys left foot]

Besiktas reject our. bid for Turkish u19 forward Kilicsoy

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Besiktas reject our. bid for Turkish u19 forward Kilicsoy

Wonder how much we seriously offered. He has a contract until 2028 Semih Kılıçsoy - Player profile 23/24

5 goals in his last 4 games we should try and sign him if it is within our budget

 

[Kebab Warrior]

It's not, but it's something Palhinha, Rodri, etc have. It's an added bonus

A bonus for what? Corners?

 

[Lisas Husband]

Yet I recall the absolute bull**** abuse some fans were dishing out to the club/hierarchy. Should hang their heads in shame.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. FOSUN didn't say a word about their intentions meaning the fans had to make their own minds up.
The fans can't be blamed, now we understand what was happening there's hardly any mudslinging at all, if the club had said from the off what was happening it wouldn't have been half as bad.
Communication is key here. Without communication there is nothing.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Yet I recall the absolute bull**** abuse some fans were dishing out to the club/hierarchy. Should hang their heads in shame.

Premium product prices had something to do with that

 

[theweave]

Premium product prices had something to do with that

Benn getting a premium product at home, hardly lost

 

[AndyWolves]

Liverpool bid over £90 m for him.

He's the Kanye mould of defensive mid, doing the running of two players.

Gomes is similar in my eyes.

Still stands that taller players have more desirable attributes than smaller ones.

Gomes is going to struggle to beat Palhinha in the air at set pieces.

 

[AndyWolves]

A bonus for what? Corners?

Yes, exactly, and at set pieces too

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Yes, exactly, and at set pieces too

Gomes is 5ft 9
Caicedo 5ft 10
Kante 5ft 7
Rice 6ft
Gravenberch & Rodri 6ft 2
D Luiz 5ft 9
P Sarr 6ft & Bentacur 6ft 2

 

[Royal wolf]

Liverpool bid over £90 m for him.

He's the Kanye mould of defensive mid, doing the running of two players.

Gomes is similar in my eyes.

 

[hollo]

Santiago bueno and enzo gonzalez signed on 6 year contracts. I guess we took a leaf out of chelsea's book before that loophole was closed.
Was Santiago bueno 8.5 or 10 million pounds?

 

[Asthmatic Wolf]

Yes, exactly, and at set pieces too

Gattuso
Makelele
Mascherano
N de jong
Kante
Neeskens

I think ball playing DMs tend to be taller it assists with vision too, but I actually think that the best true defensive midfielders (ie: there to tackle and harry) are better when shorter as a lower centre of gravity and better mobility.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Santiago bueno and enzo gonzalez signed on 6 year contracts. I guess we took a leaf out of chelsea's book before that loophole was closed.
Was Santiago bueno 8.5 or 10 million pounds?

€12 = £10.3m

Santiago Bueno - Transfer history

Santiago Bueno, 25, from Uruguay ➤ Wolverhampton Wanderers, since 2023 ➤ Centre-Back ➤ Market value: €8.00m ➤ * Nov 9, 1998 in Montevideo, Uruguay

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

I think you can sign players on 6 year deals still just not more than that. Like Chelsea was doing 8 years which has now been stopped. Not 100% sure what the maximum contract you can offer now I’m only guessing.

Enso has a contract until 2029? According to Transfermarkt

 

[Surrey Wolf]

€12 = £10.3m

Santiago Bueno - Transfer history

Santiago Bueno, 25, from Uruguay ➤ Wolverhampton Wanderers, since 2023 ➤ Centre-Back ➤ Market value: €8.00m ➤ * Nov 9, 1998 in Montevideo, Uruguay

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

I think you can sign players on 6 year deals still just not more than that. Like Chelsea was doing 8 years which has now been stopped. Not 100% sure what the maximum contract you can offer now I’m only guessing.

The contract length doesn't matter as you can only pay the transfer fee over 5yrs max

 

[Minimalist]

€12 = £10.3m

Santiago Bueno - Transfer history

Santiago Bueno, 25, from Uruguay ➤ Wolverhampton Wanderers, since 2023 ➤ Centre-Back ➤ Market value: €8.00m ➤ * Nov 9, 1998 in Montevideo, Uruguay

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

I think you can sign players on 6 year deals still just not more than that. Like Chelsea was doing 8 years which has now been stopped. Not 100% sure what the maximum contract you can offer now I’m only guessing.

I think you can give as longer contract as you like. Just for the accounting and ffp purposes it is only factored in to a certain length. 5 years I seem to recall.

 

[AndyWolves]

Gattuso
Makelele
Mascherano
N de jong
Kante
Neeskens

I think ball playing DMs tend to be taller it assists with vision too, but I actually think that the best true defensive midfielders (ie: there to tackle and harry) are better when shorter as a lower centre of gravity and better mobility.

To be absolutely clear. I haven't argued anywhere that DMs need to be tall and are better as a result of being tall.

I've just said that them being tall is a bonus

And, to avoid countless pages of misunderstanding, if a shorter DM is better than a taller DM then I'm not saying the taller DM is better purely because he's taller!

 

[Southdownswolf]

To be absolutely clear. I haven't argued anywhere that DMs need to be tall and are better as a result of being tall.

I've just said that them being tall is a bonus

And, to avoid countless pages of misunderstanding, if a shorter DM is better than a taller DM then I'm not saying the taller DM is better purely because he's taller!

But what about a medium DM?

They can ghost past people.

 

[AndyWolves]

But what about a medium DM?

They can ghost past people.

Problem is they're all fairly average at it

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Paul Ince 5ft 10 awesome dm
Makelele 5ft 9 one of the best