Everton, surely a points deduction?

[Watfordfc]

Have they published how they can to this number? I mean it might be just what the die landed on this time I guess? Absolute joke, coach and horses through the spending rules and they deduct 2 points! Even then it would have relegated them last season, although that would have kept Leicester up and they were also busy breaking the rules. Just useless, the PL, the PGMOL, the entire game has become a farce.

Basically it seems they pleaded for less of a punishment as they had already been punished!

And this was over 2 years not 3 so that means less apparently

 

[Norman Bell]

In the 1960s Peterborough were found guilty of financial irregularities they were docked enough points to put them at the foot of division four at the end of the season and had to seek re-election.

In the late 80s early 90s Swindon were found guilty of financial irregularities and despite winning the division two play offs, they weren’t allowed to take up their spot in top flight.

Now you get a slap on the wrist and a reach round.

My cousin is a contracts and company lawyer ( He got all the family brains ! ) at the time he was working in London and said Spurs breaches which were around the same time were worse than anything Swindon did. As he said though, there was no way a London based media darling was going to get dumped down two leagues.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Basically it seems they pleaded for less of a punishment as they had already been punished!

And this was over 2 years not 3 so that means less apparently

Utter joke. Hopefully they lose further points on the fake appeals with no new evidence to support their claims

 

[Alex Rae The Substitute]

Nice guys finish last…. Or in our case circa 10-13th.

Joke ruling that they can breach the rules so heavily and the points deductions get smaller. Just don’t understand that. It’s like a speeding ticket, but with smaller points applied to your license the more times you repeat the offense.

 

[Ned]

And aren’t they talking about stopping points deductions in the future now too? It’s absolutely laughable.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Can't wait for the Government appointed football regulator to come along and save the game.

 

[SA Wolf]

The football authorities really are intent on destroying the product aren't they? Every time they get involved they make the situation worse; rule changes, 5 subs, VAR, FFP, PSR, points deductions and in the future paltry fines. The list goes on.....
Do they not understand that they are devaluing what once was a premium product and fans are becoming disillusioned? Or, do they not care about the majority and want a Formula 1 type product with beautiful people, an advertising platform for luxury goods and no chance for any club, other than the Sky 4/6 being able to win anything?
The game I fell in love with and played as a kid has gone and it ain't coming back. As some fans on here said after the VAR debacle on Saturday; I feel like giving up on football completely.

 

[wwbug]

The message is if we had broken FFP this January with a goalscorer and a few signings the penalty would have almost certainly had no effect on us being relegated. Crazy !

 

[SE10 Wolf]

If, as appears to be the case with EFC, the ‘double jeopardy’ theory has been applied, what is the point of having three year periods?

 

[SA Wolf]

My cousin is a contracts and company lawyer ( He got all the family brains ! ) at the time he was working in London and said Spurs breaches which were around the same time were worse than anything Swindon did. As he said though, there was no way a London based media darling was going to get dumped down two leagues.

We can tell from your posts, Norm.

 

[The Wolf In The North]

 

[Bugsy911]

**** show total farce spend what you like.

 

[SmudgeWolf]

The message is if we had broken FFP this January with a goalscorer and a few signings the penalty would have almost certainly had no effect on us being relegated. Crazy !

Nah difference is they're Everton who they can't afford to relegate. We're Wolves, expendable and they would love nothing more than to make an example out of us.

 

[like a rollingstone]

The message is if we had broken FFP this January with a goalscorer and a few signings the penalty would have almost certainly had no effect on us being relegated. Crazy !

 

[wwbug]

Nah difference is they're Everton who they can't afford to relegate. We're Wolves, expendable and they would love nothing more than to make an example out of us.

But that is when we would appeal on the grounds of consistency

 

[topcat99]

In the 1960s Peterborough were found guilty of financial irregularities they were docked enough points to put them at the foot of division four at the end of the season and had to seek re-election.

In the late 80s early 90s Swindon were found guilty of financial irregularities and despite winning the division two play offs, they weren’t allowed to take up their spot in top flight.

Now you get a slap on the wrist and a reach round.

I think that Swindon had the promotion taken away.

Then were relegated 2 divisions to the 4th tier.

Then reinstated 1 tier on appeal.

That’s a punishment!

 

[Starsky]

Not gonna lie, I hope the PL continues to eat itself. Have grown to absolutely despise it.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

You couldn't make it up. More random points deductions just scattered all about the season. Farcical stuff. Hope one of these clubs sues the prem for millions.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

You couldn't make it up. More random points deductions just scattered all about the season. Farcical stuff. Hope one of these clubs sues the prem for millions.

Sets a weak tone for the city punishments

 

[Kashmire Hawker]

Wolves are now safe from relegation (st points appeal)

We are not quite over the line. We are 17 clear of Luton and have 7 games left. One more win formally secures it.

 

[JohnB]

We are not quite over the line. We are 17 clear of Luton and have 7 games left. One more win formally secures it.

We are safe - have a read of my article on Teams which cannot catch us.

Post in thread 'Teams Who Can’t Catch Us 23/24'
Teams Who Can’t Catch Us 23/24

Key theme is Luton, Everton, Brentford and Forest play each other (to some extent) and there is not now a combination where 3 of the 4 sides can overtake us.

 

[Beeches wolf]

Everton deducted TWO points.

Wow, that'll teach em...

 

[Axle]

This is what I was saying before: that if you admit to things in advance then you will eventually end up getting additional points for being a good citizen.

'Yes I embezzled 40 billion pounds from a war-mongering country and sold under age players to Saudi Arabia to work on building their new stadiums and trafficked horse meat into the UK from Provence. At the same time I developed a new virus via gain of function testing at a 'biological research institute' in Porton Down that kills 1 out of 2 people it infects and I released it in the Stretford End, but as I admitted to it now, surely you can not only let me off, but award me a fair play trophy (aka Premier League winners). Anything other than that and it's just not fair!'

 

[WW1963]

Just scanning through this breakdown of their accounts, and they are an absolute basket case. As Maguire notes, there are a couple of statements at the end of the accounts which acknowledges there is a material uncertainty over their ability to continue trading.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1774498790780596644

But it's all the Premier League's fault.

 

[Kashmire Hawker]

We are safe - have a read of my article on Teams which cannot catch us.

Post in thread 'Teams Who Can’t Catch Us 23/24'
Teams Who Can’t Catch Us 23/24

Key theme is Luton, Everton, Brentford and Forest play each other (to some extent) and there is not now a combination where 3 of the 4 sides can overtake us.

Duly noted!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Duly noted!

We will be safe by default even if we lose every game the other teams below us will also drop points. Get the cigars out lol

 

[Golden Oldie]

The cynic in me suggests that the two point penalty owes more to an assessment of how much Everton can cope with and still stay up than any consistent policy.

 

[CelebrityWolf]

So glad we sold off half of our squad.

Bit of a myth. Did we actually sell anyone we didn't want to or had agreed to prior?

 

[Norman Bell]

We are not quite over the line. We are 17 clear of Luton and have 7 games left. One more win formally secures it.

PANT WETTER

 

[CelebrityWolf]

It's been said, but may as well spend what you want in the summer

You mean like clubs were allowed to for decades to become successful in the very same competition. That sounds totally sensible.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

The cynic in me suggests that the two point penalty owes more to an assessment of how much Everton can cope with and still stay up than any consistent policy.

Do you reckon if Everton keep losing and drop into the bottom 3 the Premier league will say they made a mistake and give them their two pts back.

 

[Norman Bell]

We can tell from your posts, Norm.

That reply is absolutely brilliant

Shame it is the last thing I shall read of yours as I put you ignore

 

[glorybox]

Struggling to see if they've failed FFP again that the punishment isn't at least 6 points, i would suggest it should actually be double that as they made no attempt to reduce the losses having known they'd failed FFP once.

 

[wolfslair]

And aren’t they talking about stopping points deductions in the future now too? It’s absolutely laughable.

Now it is likely to affect one of the sky 6 in Chelsea…… yes………

Joke

 

[glorybox]

But it's all the Premier League's fault.

What needs to happen is for Everton to go into administration to prove to the Premier League that even though FFP is ok in theory it is being structured incorrectly and the "punishments" are not fit for that description.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Struggling to see if they've failed FFP again that the punishment isn't at least 6 points, i would suggest it should actually be double that as they made no attempt to reduce the losses having known they'd failed FFP once.

OK, this is their case I think. They were charged March 23 with a breach in 21/22. They thought it was wrong (although they acknowledged there was a smaller breach) so they appealed. They then assumed they were right and spent up to what they thought they could. When they lost their appeal the books were closed, so they had already broken the rules for 22/23.

So they have been punished for cheating and incompetence, but they think they should only be punished for cheating!

 

[Ned]

Struggling to see if they've failed FFP again that the punishment isn't at least 6 points, i would suggest it should actually be double that as they made no attempt to reduce the losses having known they'd failed FFP once.

It’s a shambles and smacks of an organisation making rules but not expecting anybody to break them and then having to come up with something to save face. It’s like Everton and Forest have called their bluff and they’ve bottled any kind of decision because they know what’s on the horizon otherwise (City and Chelsea).

 

[jackdusty]

2 points, 2 ******* points, absolutely pathetic and they are appealing it ha ha ha ha ha, they should be down on their knees and noshing off whoever decided that point deduction !

 

[Ned]

So basically Everton and Forest are probably going to achieve their start of season target of staying in the league. I don’t see what they’ve lost by cheating?!

 

[WW1963]

Everyone who works for the premier league should be in prison.

There is no point in taking this seriously. It's gone. Watch for nostalgia's sake and out of defiance for the next generation, but this isn't a serious enterprise. Half a step from pro-wrestling.

People like dick masters shouldn't be able to exist peacefully in public imo.

Saw it for what it was over two decades ago - a corrupt cesspit. They've since tried to sanitise the outside of the cup, particularly in the last five years, but that only fools the wilfully blind.

It's impossible for me to take football seriously. I enjoy seeing clubs fail and grown men losing their heads in the process. The West Brom reaction to our conquest at their place still gives me warm fuzzies.

But none of it really matters.