Derby County - in administration

[Darvo]

man City - 100m on grealish would have bought Kane at 150m in the same transfer window
Chelsea - Lukaku 100m
Derby in administration
What absolute nonsense ffp is

FFP is anything but fair

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Definition of a propa club?

Well I think for most fans it is a club that has good local support but not a glory-hunting club.

Think Derby, Forest, Wolves, Albion, Blues, Stoke, Pompey, Norwich, Southampton, Sunderland, Everton, both Sheffield clubs etc.

Definitely not those clubs with superstores out in the Far East and fans walking around with their shirts on around Asia, Central America, etc. screw those guys.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Definitely not those clubs with superstores out in the Far East and fans walking around with their shirts on around Asia, Central America, etc. screw those guys.

If l may say so, that's a very astute observation.

 

[lets all have a disco]

FFP was supposed to stop clubs going into administration and limit the top teams..... Its not happening... The opposite is the reality..........

 

[GigaWolf]

I heard yesterday that they had agreed to a six point deduction. Is this part of the agreement?

Dont understand throwing petrol on a raging fire.... Its like a bank fining a customer for going overdrawn.. Just makes the situation worse and harder to recover from

 

[AndyWolves]

FFP was supposed to stop clubs going into administration and limit the top teams..... Its not happening... The opposite is the reality..........

I don't think FFP was supposed to limit the top teams, more to prevent teams spending beyond their means.

FFP was introduced in 2010.

The previous 10 years to 2010 had lots more clubs going into administration than the subsequent 10. It could be argued that it's worked.

 

[AndyWolves]

Dont understand throwing petrol on a raging fire.... Its like a bank fining a customer for going overdrawn.. Just makes the situation worse and harder to recover from

If there is no punishment where is the motivation to not go into administration?

 

[lostwolf]

Derby fiddled their books.

Derby can get ****ed and go bust.

Their fans run the books in a first of it's kind accountancy co-operative do they?

Never much liked Derby, the place (I'm passing through it on the train soon on the way down - not rough enough to be interesting, not smart enough to be nice) or the club (identikit ground and daft fans) but I wouldn't wish going bust on even Blues or Liverpool!

 

[WV10Wolf]

Their fans run the books in a first of it's kind accountancy co-operative do they?

Of course they don’t, but like when Portsmouth won the FA Cup, the fans didn’t care when they were doing well whilst spending money they didn’t have.

Did they voice their concerns when they sold the stadium to themselves or were they laughing their tits off at this piece of creative accounting?

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

To be fair to the fans forensic accounting isn't their job, and I'm sure when the stadium was sold a fair proportion of them were worried.

 

[Oldvic161]

Got to be a better way to manage the football pyramid. owners seem to be risking clubs in search of the premier league gold, that widening gap from championship to premier league is highlighting the greed. The derby owner isn’t the only one, but how much will he suffer?
I blame Jimmy Hill, all this “short career“ crap has pushed wages for average players at average clubs far too high for them to maintain, we either need a wage cap or Points deductions for incurring debt.

 

[JonahWolf]

I believe from a Derby supporting mate that Rooney is paid by the sponsors not the football club

Yeah I think that was part of the sponsorship deal, certainly in his initial playing contract, that there was an extra lump for him. Sort of like the ‘designated player’ provision in MLS where they can overpay massively for a couple of star names without breaching the salary cap.

It was just yet another way of trying to fiddle the books and FFP, because it’s not as though sponsorships aren’t one of the clubs’ main revenue streams upon which FFP is calculated.

 

[Vtrpres]

I remember the old Derby County. The Baseball Ground. What a ****hole that was. After the second game of the season 90% mud with a tiny bit of grass in the corners. I did a lot of work for Ewart Chain and Leys Foundry that originally owned the ground. Called the Baseball Ground because Ol Man Leys had been to the States back in the late 1800 s and seen baseball played. Built the stadium for the game and nobody went. There were pictures in the old ground of baseball being played there. A right Victorian dismal pile.
Different venue now but for how long?

 

[Kingswood Wolf]

Derby fiddled their books.

Derby can get ****ed and go bust.

Well you seem like a terrific human. Try to see it from a Derby fans point of view - using a thing that you may not exercise much - empathy. They have zero influence over the running of the club, it's the suits upstairs that cooked the books. The fans just continued to turn up and support.

We could easily be in the same boat in another life, and you're telling me you'd like us to get ****ed and go bust because of something Morgan or Fosun might have done once? Or even the Bhattis that nearly did kill us?

 

[Wall heath Wanderer]

Favourable Financial Protection is a more accurate meaning of ffp to me. It was, and is, to protect the status of a select few "elite" teams, with the lie of protecting clubs from themselves.

That several clubs have gotten in big financial trouble shows that ffp is ineffective in stopping clubs go bump, but is highly effective at helping to prevent overnight usurpers to the financial holy land of champions league football.

Have to feel for the fans of Derby as the situation they are in could easily happen to the majority of clubs if the wrong people gain control.

 

[Ironfistedmonk]

Long watch but explains a few things

 

[Mutchy]

...Try to see it from a Derby fans point of view - using a thing that you may not exercise much - empathy. They have zero influence over the running of the club, it's the suits upstairs that cooked the books. The fans just continued to turn up and support.

We could easily be in the same boat in another life, and you're telling me you'd like us to get ****ed and go bust because of something Morgan or Fosun might have done once? Or even the Bhattis that nearly did kill us?

Have to agree with this.
Its not 'Derby' fiddling the books because they are Derby. Its the people who in recent time have had control over the club
Wouldn't wish Derby out of business in the long term one bit.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Have to agree with this.
Its not 'Derby' fiddling the books because they are Derby. Its the people who in recent time have had control over the club
Wouldn't wish Derby out of business in the long term one bit.

Wouldn't wish any club gone for good. Dropping down multiple levels for a relaunch? Well at least there is still a club and hope...

 

[rincewind]

Have to agree with this.
Its not 'Derby' fiddling the books because they are Derby. Its the people who in recent time have had control over the club
Wouldn't wish Derby out of business in the long term one bit.

Problem of course is there has to be some meaningful punishment.
It's very unlikely Derby will dissappear ala Bury and I do hope they can sort themselves out with different owners.

 

[Mutchy]

Wouldn't wish any club gone for good. Dropping down multiple levels for a relaunch? Well at least there is still a club and hope...

Wouldnt wish that on them either.

 

[WickedWolfie]

Wouldnt wish that on them either.

Wouldn't wish it, l agree. But it is a realistic possibility dependent on just how bad things are.

 

[wolfgar]

I remember back in that first season under Fosun at Molineux and they had an extremely strong and expensively assembled side. Darren Bent, Tom Ince, Bradley Johnson, Jacob Butterfield all signed for big money and played that day, and they generally made us look pretty silly/rubbish for most of it (though we managed to put a bit of respectability on the scoreline at least by nicking a couple in the second half to make it 2-3). Quite possibly one of the worst first 45 mins I've ever seen from a Wolves side at Molineux. I remember thinking that day that we really had our work cut out and that they'd probably get promoted easily, but the gamble just never paid off for them.

In retrospect, they were quite reckless and paid a lot of money for a lot of mediocrity. Quite a contrast to see how things have panned out for both clubs since that day. The following season we absolutely rinsed them twice and haven't looked back.

 

[Boss Hogg]

If there is no punishment where is the motivation to not go into administration?

Quite agree. Leicester did this and got promoted hence the introduction of the points deduction rules

 

[Black Country Wanderer]

I'll never understand the term "proper club"

Just seems to be a club who won a few trophies decades ago before sinking into mediocrity

No idea why this tugs on the heart strings of some and why it means we should feel any more sorry for their fans then any other team's

Sounds a lot like us tbh,and they won their trophies more recent than we did
I have no sympathy with them at all,they rolled the dice and failed,we were more fortunate as were others,fine lines some times

 

[sc91]

Well you seem like a terrific human. Try to see it from a Derby fans point of view - using a thing that you may not exercise much - empathy. They have zero influence over the running of the club, it's the suits upstairs that cooked the books. The fans just continued to turn up and support.

We could easily be in the same boat in another life, and you're telling me you'd like us to get ****ed and go bust because of something Morgan or Fosun might have done once? Or even the Bhattis that nearly did kill us?

They were bouncing off the wall with anger werent they? Protesting and telling the owners to stop committing fraud? Nope, as long as things were going well, they didn't care, so **** em.

And yeah, If Fosun were committing fraud and it meant that the club when tits up then yup, I'd not bat an eyelid.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

Derby fiddled their books.

Derby can get ****ed and go bust.

OK, but is it fair that Man Utd can add another £100m to their debt without any comeback, yet smaller clubs just go to the wall?
I am no Derby fan but I feel for the local community. They deserve to have a football club.

 

[Burton Wolf]

**** Derby. Proper club my ****. If it wasn't for Cloughie they would be **** all!

 

[BCWolf]

And then they go and beat Stoke. Dont like Derby, but credit to their players.

 

[thetwistedsock]

Reading in the Athletic this lunchtime that the Wycombe Wanderers owner values the cost of relegation last season to be £10M. He also says that there could be another £10M of residual loss (not defined).

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Reading in the Athletic this lunchtime that the Wycombe Wanderers owner values the cost of relegation last season to be £10M. He also says that there could be another £10M of residual loss (not defined).

Wycombe Wanderers are now considering taking legal action against Derby County. I presume they will want the money they have lost because of being relegated.

 

[SuziQ]

BBC now reporting that Wycombe are considering legal action regarding their relegation.

Wycombe consider legal action over Derby

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Wouldn't wish any club gone for good.

Except Bolton, yes? I'm hoping we still have our standards.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Sad news for Derby but dodgy owners for you!!

 

[WickedWolfie]

BBC now reporting that Wycombe are considering legal action regarding their relegation.

Wycombe consider legal action over Derby

I don't blame them one little bit.

 

[yateleywolf]

Been watching the NFL last two weeks and they have a salary cup.Each team allocated a certain amount of money to spend on the roster.I know it's different over their but I quite like the idea.Of course the big boys wouldn't like it but other sports doing the same F1 for example.
Seems a fairer way .It's only going one way at the moment and that's Top 4 than the rest.

 

[WickedWolfie]

And then they go and beat Stoke. Dont like Derby, but credit to their players.

... I don't much like the bloke but credit to Shrek and his backroom staff too.

 

[OLDGOLD]

**** Derby. Proper club my ****. If it wasn't for Cloughie they would be **** all!

Yeah, but they did have Clough, and as such have a unique place in history.
They probably think of him as we do about Cullis, and where would our history be without him?

 

[sc91]

OK, but is it fair that Man Utd can add another £100m to their debt without any comeback, yet smaller clubs just go to the wall?
I am no Derby fan but I feel for the local community. They deserve to have a football club.

Right but they did it lawfully and didn't hide the fact of the matter.

 

[SuziQ]

I don't blame them one little bit.

I don't either, hope they manage to get something from it if they do choose to go that route. Really think the EFL should have punished Derby at the end of the season like they were supposed to.

 

[Nige]

As much as we want to be there .. The real fact is that The Premier League has killed English football. It always would and it has.
It even has different rules to the EFL (VAR) so the same game being played but with different rules.
Imagine 2 people playing chess in the PL and 2 more playing Chess in the EFL.. we are going to change things to make it more exciting for our TV money and **** the rest of you.